How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

1+1 = 2 and 1+1+1 =3.

His coming as shown in Luke 2, plus His coming as shown in 1 Cor. 4, plus His coming as shown in Rev. 19.

... all the while "post-tribbers" insist that Matthew 24:29-31 IS the "rapture" (with no evidence of this being the case

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What _ have _ we _ unleashed?!?!?

I thank you for your honesty and it's a pleasure to discuss this with someone who has this right attitude.

Of course I'm pre-trib, and I can tell you the gaps I see being filled by the post-trib camp.

No where in scripture does it say the Church goes through the tribulation, the post-trib theory assumes that! They have absolutely no proof of this, it is total conjecture.

The post-trib theory does not allow for the gap of the 7 years during the tribulation. Meaning if all are resurrected at the Second Coming there will be no natural bodies left on earth for reproduction. The 7 year gap seen in the pre-trib theory allows for reproduction to be possible on earth during the 1000 year reign and into the Perfect Age.

There are several other things that I don't want to bring up now, but later.

Is it possible, oyster, that Miss Laura is spinning another web?

I am coming for YOU, Gary....

Don't tell me you found the phrase "SECOND Coming" in Scripture, did you??

Where?!


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QUESTION: Which one of your two categories / options does the following "come / comes / cometh / came" fit into?


John 21:13 -

Berean Study Bible
Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and He did the same with the fish.

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus comes and takes the bread and gives it to them, and the fish likewise.

King James Bible
Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.

New King James Version
Jesus then came and took the bread and gave it to them, and likewise the fish.

NASB 1995
Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and the fish likewise.

Literal Standard Version
Jesus, therefore, comes and takes the bread and gives [it] to them, and the fish in like manner;

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus, therefore, doth come and take the bread and give to them, and the fish in like manner;
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^ this was after He'd already ascended to the Father on His Resurrection Day / ON Firstfruits (after He rose from the dead), per what He told Mary Magdalene in John 20:17... and per what He'd already said (shortly before the Cross) in John 16:16 -

"A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father." [and, after they inwardly questioned as to what He could have meant, says] "22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you."

So...

Which "category" (of your two options [man-supplied labels ]) does this "come/came" (at top) "fit" into, since He'd already ascended to Heaven in between (bodily), and had then come back to earth to spend "40 days" being seen of them and speaking to them about the things pertaining to the kingdom (Acts 1)?

Plymouth Brethren was a movement, not a church. Recording him among the Anglicans is of little consequence although it seems he was a part of them when he came up with the pre-trib rapture and dispensationalism.

The point was it was popular among the Irish and then packaged and sold through Lindsey and DTS.

This makes no sense. I am 100 percent right the rapture isn't mentioned there. Paul only discusses how people become immortal in that passage. Yes, the rapture happens after the living are changed but the change happens first and Paul doesn't get into what happens next in that passage.

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Interesting and something to think about.

Could this be illustrating how swiftly and unexpectedly for some the end will come?

I mean if you read the verses directly before those, that seems to be what it is explaining...IMHO

"so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.…"--Hebrews 9:28

And I always thought Paul was a pretty smart guy....

You said: "No where in scripture does it say the Church goes through the tribulation, the post-trib theory assumes that! They have absolutely no proof of this, it is total conjecture."

At first i thought you were joking here as i bust out laughing - but then i realized you are serious.

Does your Bible have Revelation in it? or the book of Job or James ch5 or 1 Thess & 2 Thess?

Because mine does, and the Saints are everywhere throughout Revelation from chapter 1 thru to chapter 22.

You talk about being serious but in fact you are only looking for someone to pawn off your unbelief in Scripture.

The error of pre-trib is to reject what is 'written', then say there are 'gaps' that need filling - then fill them with untrue words.

God says: "no lie comes from the truth" and God never said "pre-trib rapture" therefore we, who hold strong to God's words,
know that pre-trib is a lie from the evil one.

Thanks, for putting that lovely picture in my head right before bedtime.

Think I might be wearing my shoes to bed tonight, now...lol

The 'smart' ones on here will tell you that does not speak of His Coming, only His appearing.

To this i bust a gut lolx 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

The mere fact that Christ refers to them as "virgins" is proof that they were His!

Show me after Rev 4 through all of the documented Great Tribulation where the Church is mentioned, chap. and vs.

Not true.