Liberal and Conservative Christianity are both false

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CronBri1992

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We should always remain Biblical. I just so happen to think the Bible speaks on all political views.
God's Word is not to be used to determine which political party is correct but WHO is correct and that is God. Using a political party to be right with God is not faithfully trusting God but trusting government to make you righteous. God through Jesus Christ redeemed us and brought us to be righteous with Him by faith in Him.
 

Roughsoul1991

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God's Word is not to be used to determine which political party is correct but WHO is correct and that is God. Using a political party to be right with God is not faithfully trusting God but trusting government to make you righteous. God through Jesus Christ redeemed us and brought us to be righteous with Him by faith in Him.
Never said otherwise. It just so happens one side aligns with my Biblical beliefs.
 

CronBri1992

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Never said otherwise. It just so happens one side aligns with my Biblical beliefs.
One side seems to lean on the Bible and it's traditions, roles of people and what is moral and immoral. But we have to be careful to not let politics be our label nor let them say we are better Christians than the other side. Any trust in politics can be dangerous if identity is set on it.
 

Laura798

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We had tried to start a house church and I taught weekly with great discussions but over time people moved away or stopped coming and went back to traditional church. We would invite but people wouldn't come. I also believe we had no one in the group who was gifted in evangelism. I know myself is an introvert and I take a lot of preparation and thought into what I say or will say. So small talk is not easy for me. I like the deep thinking questions, the rich studies and in depth discussions.


Unfortunately this is true for so many self proclaimed Christians. There are Christians who think there are other ways to salvation outside of Jesus, that good people go to Heaven (versus saved people), that the Bible is not the objective Word of God, and morals are subjective to only time and location.

For these people many believe they are not true Christians. For some this is true but for others I just hope it is of ignorance and a infant thinking Christian.

Also for the LGBT issues many do not know how to evangelize these individuals. We have to remember the Church is for the sinner, the pews or seats are for the sinners. But not for false teachers. The leadership is also for those who are following Jesus (still a sinner) but not enslaved to sin. There are Christians who struggle with homosexual or gender confusion. The only difference is if they struggle with the sin nature like us all.

This group statistically are many who have been abused as children, who have been brainwashed by their parents into thinking as a four year old boy they can be a girl, peer pressure or wanting to be accepted has been the leading cause in the rise of teen girl homosexual behavior, other studies show not only peer pressure but environment, upbringing, biology play into lgbt choices (biology as in damage to the brain through abuse or mental illness) and people who have been in bad relationships with the opposite sex, gender dysphoria is a real but rare case where someone is genuinely confused on their gender (this is typically fixed with therapy), and of course, just like the 70s and 80s it has also become a sexual freedom movement and a middle finger to traditional values of a system they have been taught to hate.



This is true. No one has it 100% correct but we all should unite on the doctrines of who God is, Who Jesus is, what Jesus came to do, Heaven and Hell as literal places, salvation, and grace/faith.

Every Christian should study and get to where you are now.



May I ask how do you define God's love? When you pray do you give attention to how God speaks? God can speak through natural or supernatural revelation or general and special revelation.

Natural/general is God moving in nature or a message through other humans.

Supernatural/ Special is God speaking in dreams, visions, audibly, miracles, and revealing of wisdom from His written Word which in my opinion is His most used source to speak to us. Especially through the man of Jesus Christ.
Well, I think hearing God is one thing and experiencing His love is another--I think of Paul's prayer for the Ephesians "I pray that you experience the love of Christ...the height and depth and width and breadth..." so he knew not all experienced it. I'm sure my childhood plays a part in it.

As far as homosexuality--I think acceptance of a person and acceptance of the sin and the lgbtq movement itself are two different things--as they say "love the sinner, hate the sin". Most who sin whether it's over eating or getting drunk or taking drugs or having affairs--there is almost always some brokenness behind it, but we can't excuse sin and say as so many nondenominational churches say "We're all broken"--it sounds innocent, but what they're doing is taking the word sin stealthily out of the equation. We are all sinners in need of a savior. I don't believe there is a particular method one needs to use to reach specific people--they just need to know you truly care and let the love of Christ be evident in how you treat them.


Regarding house church. My personal belief is things are getting worse for Christians--they are putting restrictions on our speech (look how social media shuts down the christian and conservative view points) and on our actions--I heard yesterday that laws could be put in place to force pastors to marry same sex couples. We need house churches like the Chinese --and we need them to get started now--not just in one in a town, but house churches that are somehow all interconnected. This is my prayer.

Blessings to you and thanks again for responding.

Laura
 

JTB

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Do you love socialism because I am getting the vibe you hold to socialistic ideology. Maybe you won't admit it. But according to this post above, you are the one deceived.
I haven't voted for a republican OR democrat since Ross Perot made his run. Both sides are equally at fault for the state of this country.

Count me firmly in the NONE OF THE ABOVE column.
 

JTB

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But by majority a rich person HAS hired someone to produce/sell/ship items consumers ARE buying.

Your brother took a risk and failed. Others took that risk and was successful. Through there success in supplying the demand they created 100s to 1000s of jobs.

You must got something against rich entrepreneurs? Possible jealousy or greed?
I do have something against greed for sure. Which is present on both sides, but more so on the right.

Biblical principal says you pay your workers an honest day's wage for an honest day's work. Since saint Reagan codified income inequality, we don't have that. Executive compensation has skyrocketed (despite a decline in productivity) while worker compensation has been stagnant or declined (despite increasing productivity).

Greed is NOT a Biblical principal. The left has pretty much abandoned the Bible so there's no duh there. But the right, they've abandoned the principal while claiming to still adhere to it. That, in my book, makes them the more dangerous party.
 

JTB

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This is what I said. The demand was there and someone took a risk and it paud off big time. If no risk was taken then there would be no Amazon, no Amazon, no workers.

It is such a failure to be one of the wealthiest and nations on Earth.
I don't begrudge Bezos making his millions off his idea.

I do begrudge him making his employees indentured servants.

Lemme put it this way:

I saw that the republicans in the neighborhood were having a little meeting so I went. It was at dinner hour but there was no food. I had the idea to call for a pizza. So everyone pitched in, and I called for a pie

When it came, it was cut into 10 slices. Being my idea, I went first. I took 9 of the slices. The others b!tched and moaned like, well, a group of little socialists. They had this crazy idea that because they had done their part in producing the pizza, they ought to be entitled to a little more of it.

Freakin libertards!
 

JTB

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Yes, we should never trust in these people, but if you notice, when the votes stop coming in these people CHANGE colors like chameleons. There would be no abortion now if ALL Christians held these people to task. There would be no homosexual marriage if all Christians held these people to task. These are facts but Satan is a liar he knows ho to divide and conquer naive people
God told us thousands of years ago where this world will wind up.

It's a little naive to think we could change that, and to feign surprise at seeing it happen.
 

JTB

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God's Word is not to be used to determine which political party is correct but WHO is correct and that is God. Using a political party to be right with God is not faithfully trusting God but trusting government to make you righteous. God through Jesus Christ redeemed us and brought us to be righteous with Him by faith in Him.
Thank you.

The Jews rejected Jesus because they expected the Messiah to be a political figure who would save them from Rome.

Christians are making the same mistake thinking their savior will be a political figure who'll save them from commie liberals.
 

Nehemiah6

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Christians are making the same mistake thinking their savior will be a political figure who'll save them from commie liberals.
Can you actually cite any Christians who believe such rubbish?
 

aeb2000

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My question is, why would you just flat out make the statement that liberalism is "false" and conservatism is "false?" Just because both sides have a few weirdos who completely twist Biblical truths doesn't mean both groups of thought are completely false. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Making general statements like that is certainly eye-catching, but not necessarily accurate.

I probably am classified as a conservative, because I believe more things that are in line with conservatism than liberalism. However, I don't really call myself a conservative because I don't like labels and I don't think it really makes sense to put yourself in a group of people and identify as said group.
 

JTB

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Can you actually cite any Christians who believe such rubbish?
Reeeeeeeeeeeeally. Jan 6 doesn't ring any bells for you???

They're plainly visible all around us. Unless, of course, you happen to be one of them.
 

JTB

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My question is, why would you just flat out make the statement that liberalism is "false" and conservatism is "false?" Just because both sides have a few weirdos who completely twist Biblical truths doesn't mean both groups of thought are completely false. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Making general statements like that is certainly eye-catching, but not necessarily accurate.

I probably am classified as a conservative, because I believe more things that are in line with conservatism than liberalism. However, I don't really call myself a conservative because I don't like labels and I don't think it really makes sense to put yourself in a group of people and identify as said group.
Groups get tagged with a stereotype for a reason. But yes there are individuals within a group who may not fit the stereotype as completely as others. But as each group's members have moved further to the sides with each swing of the pendulum, those who don't fit the mold (ie those still in the middle) get fewer and farther between
 

Laura798

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I've heard of QAnon and recently heard of something called INC. and now Dominionism--I was clueless about it--it comes out of the New Apostolic Reformation... basically people who are self-proclaimed apostles. Here's a video about it which is 6 years old.

 

Jackson123

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US is democracy, I check the definition of democracy in dictionary is

a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

In other word people make law.

Can we expect good law produce by people?

The answer is depend

If most people real Christian than it will produce a God law
If most people non Christian than it will produce evil law for example a law to make abortion legal.
 

Nehemiah6

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Reeeeeeeeeeeeally. Jan 6 doesn't ring any bells for you???
January 6 was essentially pranking, which also turned into murder and brutality at the instigation of the Deep State operatives who were there, while BLM instigators were let off. I have the firsthand account of two reliable eye-witnesses. But the Democrats (with the help of some RINOS) made it into a witch hunt and then set up a Gulag in DC. Nothing there into making Trump a god. However it did make Mike Pence into a Judas.

And since you mention January 6, Americans have taken this major crime of election fraud too lightly, and allowed an imposter to become a tyrant from the White House. That should never have happened. The military should have arrested and prosecuted Biden and Harris on inauguration day for fraud, treason, and many other crimes.
 

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“Come up Here!”

Jesus has a mystery and says "the seven lampstands are the seven churches"
Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches

Jesus says He "walks among the seven golden lamp stands"

Rev 2:1“To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this:

Now Jesus is saying He "has the Seven Spirits of God". We see where they come from and where they go.

Rev 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: ‘I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

There is a door open in heaven and a Voice like a trumpet "Says Come Up Here"

"After These Things"

Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things.

After a reception of lightning and thunder Seven Lamps of Fire appear in front of the throne; and look what it says they are. Now the lamps that were on earth are before the throne, and do you remember what Jesus said the lamps were: that's right He said they were the churches; But now they are being called the Seven Spirits of God. And it just keeps getting better.

Rev 4:5 Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God

Let's do a little review: Jesus said that the seven golden lamps on earth are the churches. Then after a voice like the sound of trumpet says come up here, and after a reception of lightning and thunder coming out from the throne: now the seven lamps are in heaven, but now they are being called the Seven Spirit of God. So you can look at the previous verse to see that it's all true. But move forward is the greatest thing we could ever see. So now we know the Seven Spirits of God are the Seven Churches.​

Rev 5:6 And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, that were sent out into all the earth.

So there we have it. The greatest thing one could ever imagine: Right there is the Head of the
Lamb are Seven Eyes that are the Seven Spirits of God that were sent to ALL THE EARTH.​

So We are on The Throne Just As Jesus Promised We would be. Therefore, We are Raptured off of the Earth and seated on Our throne, Immediately before all the Murder and Mayhem begins.

Below is the Promise.

Rev 3:21-22 ‘He who overcomes, I will grant to Him to sit down with Me on My throne, just as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Dan 7:13“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, One like a Son of Man was coming on the clouds of heaven. And He came up to be presented before the Ancient of Days.

People ask where the Rapture is in the old Testament. It's in the Little Book/Daniel where we see many aspects of Revelations.

Rev 3:22 ‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches.’”
 

Roughsoul1991

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One side seems to lean on the Bible and it's traditions, roles of people and what is moral and immoral. But we have to be careful to not let politics be our label nor let them say we are better Christians than the other side. Any trust in politics can be dangerous if identity is set on it.
Something is only better if it by majority falls within scripture.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I haven't voted for a republican OR democrat since Ross Perot made his run. Both sides are equally at fault for the state of this country.

Count me firmly in the NONE OF THE ABOVE column.
You may claim to be none. But your ideology and beliefs will put you somewhere in the spectrum.