There Was No Room At The Inn ? Was This God's Will ?

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Blik

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Everything falls into God's sovereign will to allow or not allow. .
I think you have the correct answer. God allows humans free will to choose how they will behave. Every human today lives with some behavior of someone in their life whose behavior has hurt them.

It is not God's will when uncomfortable things happen to us but God is exact about how we are to react to the discomfort. Scripture does not tell us Mary and Joseph made a fuss, they seemed to have made the best of a bad situation. It is a lesson for us to learn.

Paul, who lived through Christ, said he had learned to be content.
 

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Being the "Lamb of God", of course it was fitting to be born among the animals in a stable. It's beautiful and poetic.
 

Grandpa

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Neither Mary nor Joseph is reported to have complained or even been uncomfortable with the nights arrangements.

That, in itself, would have been a miracle in my family...:ROFL:
 

studentoftheword

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Has anyone consider these things aside from the prophecies?

Jesus was the only one born who picked his parents.
Jesus picked the stable in which he would be born and the time of day it would happen.

Just a couple of observations share if you have more.
I say ------This is the truth -----shows God's Sovereignty and shows again that no one or any situation will Thwart God's plan or Will to accomplish what He wants ------
 

Webers.Home

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According to Ps 110:4 Jesus was on track to become a high priest.

Well; according to Heb 2:16-18, priests have to be "merciful" which is
translated from a Greek word relating to compassion. Someone who's lived a
privileged life is likely not going to relate well to normal folks who suffer the
slings and arrows of outrageous fortune on a regular basis.

Below are some lyrics borrowed from a very sensitive song by the Canadian
performer Gordon Lightfoot that tells me quite a bit about Jesus in the
performance of his priesthood.


Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.


Jesus is often depicted by artists as an attractive man but the Bible portrays
him as just another unremarkable skull in the gene pool who knows what it's
like to be marginalized.

"There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance, nothing to
attract us to him. He was despised and rejected--- a man of sorrows,
acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the
other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care."
(Isa 53:2-3)
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pottersclay

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I say ------This is the truth -----shows God's Sovereignty and shows again that no one or any situation will Thwart God's plan or Will to accomplish what He wants ------
Absolutely.....consider jonah, sent out to deliver a message. Regardless of his defiance at the end of the day message sent. God's will done.
Jesus.....sent to the house of Israel only. Rejected. Shared Gods Riches At Christ Expense = GRACE to all mankind.
But wait he returns...why? To do what the father had sent him to do..redeem Israel.

The word of the Lord will not return void.😏😏
 

studentoftheword

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The word of the Lord will not return void

This is the true wisdom and knowledge that people need to get and trust fully ------

The Word cannot return Void ----Why ? -----Because Jesus is the Word and Jesus is alive and active today Folks -----so the Word does what it says it will do -----How awesome is that ------


Hebrews 4:12

New International Version

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
 
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pottersclay

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This is the true wisdom and knowledge that people need to get and trust fully ------

The Word cannot return Void ----Why ? -----Because Jesus is the Word and Jesus is alive and active today Folks -----so the Word does what it says it will do -----How awesome is that ------


Hebrews 4:12

New International Version

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
It judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.....so many saints miss this.
Jesus was born at a perfect time for the purposes of God.
We to are born at a perfect time for Gods purpose. But few see this in there life.
For we were born for such a time as this.
The Lord has purposed all of his creation for his glory. And God will enable all that seek him to do his will.
Seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all shall be added unto you.
 

studentoftheword

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I have heard that some people think that Jesus being wrapped in swaddling cloth may have been a sign of His burial as He would have been wrapped in cloth and because he was given frankincense and myrrh and both were both used in the preparation of bodies after death --

This is an interesting Read on this -------

Were Jesus’ swaddling clothes actually burial clothes?

Bible Question:
Is it true that the reason “swaddling clothes” would be “a sign” to the shepherds was because the original word for swaddling clothes indicates grave clothes often stored in a tomb? A sign of Jesus' future?
Bible Answer:
When Jesus was born, Luke 2:7 tells us that He was wrapped in “swaddling clothes.” There are many wrong ideas floating around regarding the meaning of swaddling clothes. Some have claimed that the term “swaddling clothes” indicates that Jesus had a illegitimate birth. He was born before Joseph and Mary were married. Others claim that the Greek word translated in Luke 2:7 and 12 as “swaddling clothes” is the same word used for burial clothes and therefore really refers to burial clothes or a burial cloth. However, neither of these positions are accurate and they are not supported by the evidence.

Meaning of the Greek Word Swaddling Clothes
The phrase “swaddling clothes” is a translation of the root Greek word sparganoo. The word appears in only two verses in the New Testament, both times in Luke 2. The first appearance of sparganoo occurs in verse 7 and the second is in verse 12. The Greek word sparganoo means “to wrap a child in swaddling clothes (long strips of cloth)” or “to clothe in strips of cloth, to wrap up in strips of cloth, to wrap in cloths.”[1,2,3]

The Greek word sparganoo is never translated as “burial clothes” and never refers to a burial cloth in the New Testament. In the Koine Greek there were numerous words that refer to being clothed. Consequently, it is reasonable to discover that different Greek words described Jesus’ burial process. In Matthew 27:59 we are told that Jesus was wrapped in a clean linen cloth. The Greek verb for “wrapped” is entylisso which was used to describe wrapping up something such as a cadaver.[4] The Greek word that is translated as “linen cloths” in the verse is sindon. It means “linen cloth of good quality.”[5] The same two Greek words, entylisso and sindon, are used in Luke 23:53 to describe the burial process for Jesus. Then in Mark 15:46 we are told that Jesus was “wrapped in the linen cloth.” The Greek verb for “wrapped” is enieleo which means “to wrap in.”[6] The Greek word for cloth is once again sindon. In John 19:40 we are told that Jesus was “bound in linen wrappings.” The Greek word for “bound” is deo and the word for “linen wrappings” is othonion. Deo means “to bind”[7] and othonion refers to a piece of fine cloth.[8] All of this reveals that sparganoo was not used to describe Jesus being wrapped in His burial cloths.

Sparganoo also appears in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament in Ezekiel 16:4. Here is the verse,

As for your birth, on the day you were born your navel cord was not cut, nor were you washed with water for cleansing; you were not rubbed with salt or even wrapped in cloths. Ezekiel 16:4 (NASB)​
In this verse sparganoo is translated as “wrapped in cloths.” It is clear from the verse that sparganoo refers to baby clothes and not burial clothes. In Ezekiel 16:2 we discover that the citizens of Jerusalem are the focus of this message and God refers to the time of their birth (Ezekiel 16:1-4).

Therefore, the Greek word sparganoo refers to clothes that a baby would wear. The word sparganoo means “long strips of cloth for infant care” or “wrap in baby clothes.” It was a word that appeared in ancient medical writings.

Significance of Sparganoo
Luke 2:12 tells us that when the angels appeared to the shepherds at night, the sign identifying the infant Jesus as the Messiah was that He would be wrapped in baby clothes – sparganoo. Historical records reveal what was significant about these clothes. It was common in ancient times to not put what we would call diapers on the baby. Often very young children would be allowed to walk about without under garments..[10, 11] Most often it was the more affluent who had the resources to afford undergarments for their children. Since Mary and Joseph were on travel journeying the town of Joseph’s ancestors at the time of Jesus’ birth, it is possible that people of means gave Mary some clothes for Jesus. What is really significant is that Jesus was also in a manger – an animal feeding trough. The baby Jesus lying in an animal trough and ironically wrapped in clothes fitting for the wealthy would be an incredible sign to the shepherds.

Conclusion:
Jesus was wrapped in cloths as a sign that He was special and that He was the King of kings. The significance of his royalty should never be diminished (Rev. 19:16)
 

posthuman

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Conclusion:
Jesus was wrapped in cloths as a sign that He was special and that He was the King of kings. The significance of his royalty should never be diminished (Rev. 19:16)
this conclusion doesn't really make any sense from the arguments given -- because the article points out that an infant being wrapped in linen cloths was common practice. i mean what are you gonna do let them freeze? we're not at this point talking about a toddler toddling around, but a newborn.

so if 'wrapped in swaddling clothes' is a common practice by anyone giving ordinary care to their newborn babe ((in contrast with Ezekiel 16:4)) then how can it be 'a sign that He was special and the King of kings' ??
that would apply to literally every child born anywhere in the whole Levant that received the least amount of care from their parents. how many special Kings of kings do we have if '
an infant not being left naked and unwashed to freeze to death in filth' is the sign? hundreds of millions every year?

the sign the angels communicated to the shepherds was not only wrapped in baby cloths, but laid in a manger.
 

posthuman

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the sign the angels communicated to the shepherds was not only wrapped in baby cloths, but laid in a manger.
let me demonstrate that in the scripture:

For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.
(Luke 2:11-12)
note that the angles did not stop with 'wrapped in swaddling cloths' -- also lying in a manger.

So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, “Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.” And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger.
(Luke 2:15-16)
and note that the record of the shepherds finding Him does not mention the swaddling cloths at all, but the manger.

so which one is the primary sign? the ubiquitous use of baby clothes that wasn't any different from countless other infants?
or the very uncommon fact that He was in a manger?
 

studentoftheword

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so which one is the primary sign? the ubiquitous use of baby clothes that wasn't any different from countless other infants?
or the very uncommon fact that He was in a manger?

posthuman -----you seem to have no understanding of what the Scripture tells you ------It clearly says ----that the Sign is the swaddling cloth as well as the manger -----and the reason this is the sign ---is because the Shepherds wrapped the new born Lambs that were being used for Sacrifice in swaddling cloth to protect them from bruising and blemishes and laid them in the feeding trough to protect them from bruising and blemishes as the Sacrificial Lambs had to be in perfect condition to bring before God


Sacrificial lambs and swaddling cloths
The newborn lambs would be wrapped tightly… swaddled… in specially designated temple cloths, and they would be laid in a manger to keep them contained while they were being examined for blemishes. At the appointed time, the shepherds would separate the lambs, selecting only the firstborn males that were without mark or blemish, and would lead them to Jerusalem, where they would be purchased by people wanting to present a sacrifice before the Lord to atone for their sins.

When the angel appeared to the shepherds in the fields, he told them that they would find the newborn King wrapped in swaddling cloths and laying in a manger. They knew exactly where He would be found, because swaddling cloths were only used in one particular location, and for one particular purpose…
 

studentoftheword

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So maybe as we approach Dec 25 which is to reflect Spiritually on the Birth of Jesus who was wrapped in swaddling cloth and laid in a animal feeding trough to show us he was without spot or blemish and through Him we would get our Spiritual nutrients that would sustain us through this life and eternally ----

The fun Jolly Old Man who comes down our chimney to bring gifts to all the children is is a lie and we tell our children that if they lie their punishment will be worse than if the tell the truth ---and then we lie to our children about this Jolly Man dressed in a red suit will come and bring lots of goodies and toys to all good little children ------ are parents being hypocritical here ----

Some will say well that is a little good lie as it brings joy and happiness to the children ----but is it ?????----There is a commandment Not to lie ------there is no good lie or bad lie ----a lie is a lie in God's eyes -----and also parents will use the being good or Santa won't bring you any presents as a control behaviour tool which in my view is wrong ------we as parents paint This Santa as A Good Jolly man and then Paint him as in a bad light saying he will leave you nothing but a lump of coal if you misbehave -----instilling fear -- confusion and doubt in our children ---

So does this morally reflect the way of God or the way ----away from God ?-----

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We make Santa to be like God -----Which is how Lucifer became Satan wanting to be like God -----

Exodus 20:3 NIV
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV
Santa is omnipresent ------
Santa lives in the North
Santa can deliver blessings
Santa can move quickly from one place to another
Santa punishes bad behaviour
Santa keeps a list of all girls and boys
Santa has unseen helpers
Santa can do the impossible
Santa is invisible ----

I am as guilty as all as i brought up my son believing in this mystical man ---and when he got of age and understood that there was no Santa ---he was crushed for a time ----I felt bad for him as his bubble had been burst -----he said Christmas was not as exciting for him after that --

So should Christmas be presented in a different way to our children so that the fun and excitement is still present without the lie -----that is the real hard Question ?---