Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161

ZNP

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Fight censorship and goto the website below and watch the video that Dr. Robert Malone posted on his Twitter account, before he was banned.


"Our alliance of independent Canadian doctors, scientists and health care practitioners is committed to providing top-quality and balanced evidence-based information to the Canadian public about COVID-19 so that hospitalizations can be reduced, lives saved, and our country safely restored as quickly as possible."

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/

" Rumble — INVENTOR OF mRNA TECHNOLOGY DR. ROBERT MALONE WAS RECENTLY LOCKED OUT OF TWITTER PERMANENTLY. IS IT BECAUSE OF THIS VIDEO OR BECAUSE HE WILL BE ON A 3 HR INTERVIEW THIS WEEK WITH JOE ROGAN? THIS MAY BE THE JENGA BLOCK THAT COLLAPSES THESE CRIMINAL SYNDICATE DEEPSTATE BIG PHARMA, BIG TECH POS 'SCARRATIVE' IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES.
HEY CABAL....CAN YA FEEL THE KRAKEN ICE UNDER YOUR FEET? "

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Their whole world is going up in flames.
 

kinda

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Fight censorship and goto the website below and watch the video that Dr. Robert Malone posted on his Twitter account, before he was banned.


"Our alliance of independent Canadian doctors, scientists and health care practitioners is committed to providing top-quality and balanced evidence-based information to the Canadian public about COVID-19 so that hospitalizations can be reduced, lives saved, and our country safely restored as quickly as possible."

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/

" Rumble — INVENTOR OF mRNA TECHNOLOGY DR. ROBERT MALONE WAS RECENTLY LOCKED OUT OF TWITTER PERMANENTLY. IS IT BECAUSE OF THIS VIDEO OR BECAUSE HE WILL BE ON A 3 HR INTERVIEW THIS WEEK WITH JOE ROGAN? THIS MAY BE THE JENGA BLOCK THAT COLLAPSES THESE CRIMINAL SYNDICATE DEEPSTATE BIG PHARMA, BIG TECH POS 'SCARRATIVE' IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES.
HEY CABAL....CAN YA FEEL THE KRAKEN ICE UNDER YOUR FEET? "

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"The Pfizer 6 month data shows that Pfizer's COVID-19 inoculations cause more illness than they prevent. Plus, an overview of the Pfizer trial flaws in both design and execution. "

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/

Game Over!

 

TruthSeekerJG

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Because you are being a jerk...one whose mind is made up and dismissive of real science in favor of junk science that says what you want to hear.
In what way have I been a jerk besides trying to reason with you? Go back to our conversation and read what I said versus what you've said and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

It's also dismissive to just throw my information out deem it as "junk science" and act like your the only one that knows it all. I'm just sharing information that a lot of reputable people have been sharing, not only that, but costing them their own livelihood. Doctors, nurses, common workers, etc. Which I personally do know. So there witness and evidence isn't relevant?
 

kinda

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In what way have I been a jerk besides trying to reason with you? Go back to our conversation and read what I said versus what you've said and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

It's also dismissive to just throw my information out deem it as "junk science" and act like your the only one that knows it all. I'm just sharing information that a lot of reputable people have been sharing, not only that, but costing them their own livelihood. Doctors, nurses, common workers, etc. Which I personally do know. So there witness and evidence isn't relevant?
TruthSeeker, you are probably one of the most patient and level headed posters I have seen in awhile. I don't see how any of your posts would indicate that you are a jerk, but rather the opposite.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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None. And what other nation allows close to two million illegal migrants to simply pour in and be exempt from all the requirements for legal citizens, and then gives them royal accommodations at taxpayer expense, while criminals and gangsters come in to commit horrendous crimes with no consequences? This is not only insanity but treason on an unprecedented scale. These are demons in control of America. And a young man from California was just heading to the White House to kill Biden, Fauci, Obama, etc. and was apprehended for reckless driving. But he also called them demons.
Thanks for laying it out because that's exactly what's going on. The end game is ultimate control, while keeping everybody at slavery level. It is crazy, because over 60% of the women that have been coming across were sexually assaulted and human trafficking is outrageous. They just opened the doors for corruption pretty much. They've also been dropping babies at the border. The holding facilities are way beyond capacity and jammed packed. What about Covid???

Wouldn't really condone going out to kill someone as a believer, but vengeance is the Lords and He does use people to exercise judgment. Even though I personally believe this is judgement on this nation.
 

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TruthSeeker, you are probably one of the most patient and level headed posters I have seen in awhile. I don't see how any of your posts would indicate that you are a jerk, but rather the opposite.
Well, just thankful to God, because I know if I DO give into that old nature, then it probably wouldn't be pretty :). Thankful for the instructions given from the Word and I totally understand how emotional everything is right now. It's really hard to have any grounded justification in Truth because there is so much disinformation out there. So we literally have to sift through a lot of information and Trust in God to lead us through it. It also helps to look at this world and information through a Biblical lens.

Thank God for you Kinda and the information you provide.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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*Correction*
In what way have I been a jerk besides trying to reason with you? Go back to our conversation and read what I said versus what you've said and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

It's also dismissive to just throw my information out, deem it as "junk science," and act like your the only one that knows it all. I'm just sharing information that a lot of reputable people have been sharing, not only that, but costing them their own livelihood. Doctors, nurses, common workers, etc. Which I personally do know. So their witness and evidence isn't relevant?
Whew, been keyboarding too much that I can't even spell and my grammar is slipping haha. Sorry for that.
 

ZNP

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In what way have I been a jerk besides trying to reason with you? Go back to our conversation and read what I said versus what you've said and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

It's also dismissive to just throw my information out deem it as "junk science" and act like your the only one that knows it all. I'm just sharing information that a lot of reputable people have been sharing, not only that, but costing them their own livelihood. Doctors, nurses, common workers, etc. Which I personally do know. So there witness and evidence isn't relevant?
You don't have to convince him, you don't have to give him the power to decide what information he will accept and what he won't. all you have to do is give the warning, what he does with it he will have to answer to the Lord, not you, not me, but to the Lord.
 

Aidan1

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So you do know that many people lied in order NOT to work because they were making more off of unemployment versus working? Furthering our dependency on the government.

I don’t think shutting down the worlds economy was a wise decision based on a 98-99% survival rate. Including printing money out of thin air and giving it to the people through multiple stimulus checks, which in reality causes hyper inflation, devaluing the dollar, furthering our nations debt, raising the cost of production and transportation, which in turn raises the prices for goods. Why do you think everything is getting expensive? Oh wait, let’s raise minimum wage…. If we do that then we have to raise the prices in everything still furthering the economical chaos.

I’m specifically talking about this nation and not 3rd world countries, which of course they don’t have the resources as we do as far as productions concern. You think shutting down the economy was a smart decision? Personally would rather take my chances of dying then to give into fear. Many small business owners were put out of business, except for multimillion dollar corporations that want to monopolize.

Yes, I’m speaking from personal experience from not making much money myself and barely scraping by to make it!! Instead of going out and spending an average of $20-50 per day just to eat out. In fact one of my paychecks would only be enough to just pay for groceries, bills, gas. Working full time hard labor. Also grew up in poverty where my Mom would work her butt off all day and night while I stayed at grandmas where I can eat!

I also disagree with opening the borders and letting illegal immigrants into our country putting Americans (black, white, hispanic, etc) out of work for cheap labor. Believe me, I worked with them in the construction business, no social security, paperwork, and can’t even speak English. Thousands coming across the border in the morning, and thousands going back after the day is over. Not hating on them because they are good hardworking people (not all, but some), but I am against the politicians that do this in order to just receive votes, hook them on welfare life support, which in turn comes out of hard working citizens pay. They also know exactly which loopholes to take in order to take advantage of the system. Who gets to pay for that?! US!!

Speaking of Grandma earlier, she came across legally, started a flower business from scratch. How do you think her and many others that went through the correct procedures to get here would think?

We can clearly see that they are trying to cut out the middle class and lowering us down into poverty while they usher in new slaves that will be dependent on the government. What other nation just opens there borders without proper vetting?
Yes, everything is not so easy. As Christians we should not have the same values then the world has.
Last week an 39 years old man, unvaccined dies on covid. When he came to hospital it was to late for him. Yesterday they found out an 35 years old man on icu with an fake covid pass which says he has 2 injections. But he was badly seek with covid an confessed that the Pass was bought. His wife a nurse from another town, unvaccined has covid and also there 3 month old Baby.
Realy i can understand if someone fears the vaccine, because of side effects. But the spreaders of conspiracy theorys are for me the real criminals which causing that people become a paranoia about the vaccine.
Vacines have sideeffects and are not protecting 100%. You can spread the virus even if you are vaccined. Thats right.
But there is an elementar different to get the virus without the vaccine.
Yes till now 98 % will survive the virus.
But the 2% should be have a chance to survive, too.
How ever, it is for shure not right that we as followers of Christ should be divided because of the question vaccined or not.
But sadly this is going on now.
 

JohnDB

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In what way have I been a jerk besides trying to reason with you? Go back to our conversation and read what I said versus what you've said and see if you come up with the same conclusion.

It's also dismissive to just throw my information out deem it as "junk science" and act like your the only one that knows it all. I'm just sharing information that a lot of reputable people have been sharing, not only that, but costing them their own livelihood. Doctors, nurses, common workers, etc. Which I personally do know. So there witness and evidence isn't relevant?
When your science articles come from a publication that's primarily funded by "Republicans for a better Tomorrow foundation" I'm going to give it the one squinted eye routine..

Then there's those who have researched the "scientists" who created the study as well as the hospital it originated in....

A nutritionist is not exactly schooled in the field of epidemiology and immunology and virology...
And the hospital doesn't seem to know anything about the research paper and the co-authors are looking to sue for defamation for the iligitimite use of their name..

So when you say "dismissed it out of hand" by me...no, I am not


I had very legitimate reason for throwing out the conclusions.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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When your science articles come from a publication that's primarily funded by "Republicans for a better Tomorrow foundation" I'm going to give it the one squinted eye routine..

Then there's those who have researched the "scientists" who created the study as well as the hospital it originated in....

A nutritionist is not exactly schooled in the field of epidemiology and immunology and virology...
And the hospital doesn't seem to know anything about the research paper and the co-authors are looking to sue for defamation for the iligitimite use of their name..

So when you say "dismissed it out of hand" by me...no, I am not


I had very legitimate reason for throwing out the conclusions.
Ok, which article did I present to you? I've only presented one article explaining the agenda of vaccines/covid/omnicron, which also cites many sources within that article. I'm also skeptical about following an expert that comes from an evolutionary/humanistic point of view, because that means we throw out God and depend on man to play God.

Dismissing information because of a preconceived notion is biased isn't it? What if that information is actually credible, even when it cites different medical sources, including the cdc, who, etc.

I don't take any political side, if anything, just look at different points of views, information, evidence, and come up with an educated conclusion. Ultimately Trusting in God to lead me through this process without looking through the lens of left, right, he said, she said. Also, an important tool is common sense.
 

JohnDB

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Ok, which article did I present to you? I've only presented one article explaining the agenda of vaccines/covid/omnicron, which also cites many sources within that article. I'm also skeptical about following an expert that comes from an evolutionary/humanistic point of view, because that means we throw out God and depend on man to play God.

Dismissing information because of a preconceived notion is biased isn't it? What if that information is actually credible, even when it cites different medical sources, including the cdc, who, etc.

I don't take any political side, if anything, just look at different points of views, information, evidence, and come up with an educated conclusion. Ultimately Trusting in God to lead me through this process without looking through the lens of left, right, he said, she said. Also, an important tool is common sense.
So reputable scientists who actually cares about their reputation for accuracy are ignored in favor of politically biased inaccurate results that you like...

That's what you are saying?
 

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Yes, everything is not so easy. As Christians we should not have the same values then the world has.
Last week an 39 years old man, unvaccined dies on covid. When he came to hospital it was to late for him. Yesterday they found out an 35 years old man on icu with an fake covid pass which says he has 2 injections. But he was badly seek with covid an confessed that the Pass was bought. His wife a nurse from another town, unvaccined has covid and also there 3 month old Baby.
Realy i can understand if someone fears the vaccine, because of side effects. But the spreaders of conspiracy theorys are for me the real criminals which causing that people become a paranoia about the vaccine.
Vacines have sideeffects and are not protecting 100%. You can spread the virus even if you are vaccined. Thats right.
But there is an elementar different to get the virus without the vaccine.
Yes till now 98 % will survive the virus.
But the 2% should be have a chance to survive, too.
How ever, it is for shure not right that we as followers of Christ should be divided because of the question vaccined or not.
But sadly this is going on now.
Then maybe we should do more research on finding out who REALLY is spreading disinformation in order to come to the truth. Big money that wants to make more money, or those that are literally risking their careers because they notice something is not right. Totally understand there's a lot of confusion going on and it does take time to read articles, points of views, statistics, if they're legit, etc.

I don't think it's logical to brainwash that 98% into taking vaccines for the sake of 2% though to be honest. Every single day we hear Covid, now omnicron, what next? That is literally the mechanism to brainwashing. Repetition after repetition after repetition. Exactly what Hitler and others knew how to do very well.

That's the whole point of it...Division. Definitely agree!

If I catch it I will definitely keep you updated about my circumstance. Like I said, been around those that had it, taken the vaccine and they still caught it, and by the Grace of God I'm still here. Just been watching what I eat (not perfectly), but not indulging in unhealthy foods and mainly keeping it clean, fasting (very important), while taking Vitamin D3 liquid form, Lobelia, Vitamin C (lemon water), and fitness to keep the circulation going and also to speed up the detoxifying effect. Main thing, Trusting in God! If I die, then great relief, because I get to be with the Lord :) There's eternity to look forward to besides worrying about our own lives when we can be saving souls!
 

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So reputable scientists who actually cares about their reputation for accuracy are ignored in favor of politically biased inaccurate results that you like...

That's what you are saying?
Huh, I don't understand? I'm saying that their reputation is actually on the line. So what gain do they have?
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Huh, I don't understand? I'm saying that their reputation is actually on the line. So what gain do they have?
Oops, now I get it. Sorry, I am slow sometimes. Well it’s easy for those to keep their jobs if they just go along with the mainstream mindset. Except those that notice something is wrong and actually go against the grain of things are taking more of a risk. Which there have been many that have lost their job just because they didn’t take the vaccine! Or simply wear a mask, which we know doesn’t work and was used more as a safety net.
 

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So reputable scientists who actually cares about their reputation for accuracy are ignored in favor of politically biased inaccurate results that you like...

That's what you are saying?
I think the problem we are facing is the scientific view: evolution/humanistic vs Trusting in God/Faith. One believes that only man can come up with a cure and the other already has Faith in the system that is already there, our already built in immunity. Does that make sense, or is that too radical? Not trying to be sarcastic.
 

Aidan1

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Then maybe we should do more research on finding out who REALLY is spreading disinformation in order to come to the truth. Big money that wants to make more money, or those that are literally risking their careers because they notice something is not right. Totally understand there's a lot of confusion going on and it does take time to read articles, points of views, statistics, if they're legit, etc.

I don't think it's logical to brainwash that 98% into taking vaccines for the sake of 2% though to be honest. Every single day we hear Covid, now omnicron, what next? That is literally the mechanism to brainwashing. Repetition after repetition after repetition. Exactly what Hitler and others knew how to do very well.

That's the whole point of it...Division. Definitely agree!

If I catch it I will definitely keep you updated about my circumstance. Like I said, been around those that had it, taken the vaccine and they still caught it, and by the Grace of God I'm still here. Just been watching what I eat (not perfectly), but not indulging in unhealthy foods and mainly keeping it clean, fasting (very important), while taking Vitamin D3 liquid form, Lobelia, Vitamin C (lemon water), and fitness to keep the circulation going and also to speed up the detoxifying effect. Main thing, Trusting in God! If I die, then great relief, because I get to be with the Lord :) There's eternity to look forward to besides worrying about our own lives when we can be saving souls!
Well i know what is going on in my hospital.
Of course people want to make money sind power and influence. Thats from the beginning when Adam and Eve believed Satan. Why wonder it is still today ?
I know russiangerman churches where the pastor tells the believers the vaccine is evil. And they believe it, dont take the vaccine and going sick and die as the relatives of my collegue.
In another russiangerman family the question of vaccine divided the family. Thats strange.
From medical point of view, there is present no other way then to vaccine.
Ivermectin, and all the other stuff is not realy helping. Yes, support to build up your immune system. But this is no guarantee.
May the Lord protect you.
Anyway, with or without this Pandemie our life is in his hand.
No vaccine or virus can change this!
 

JohnDB

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I think the problem we are facing is the scientific view: evolution/humanistic vs Trusting in God/Faith. One believes that only man can come up with a cure and the other already has Faith in the system that is already there, our already built in immunity. Does that make sense, or is that too radical? Not trying to be sarcastic.
No...
The reputable scientists aren't saying what you want to hear...
So you toss them out because you think they aren't Christian...which is actually a load of CRAP...
The research scientist that developed Moderna's vaccine...I wave at his church on the way to mine...the one he regularly attends. And it isn't some humanistic church. Or a chandelier swinging church...same type as Max Lucado attends.

I'm just more used to mine than his but I wouldn't classify it as humanistic. It's definitely Christian.
 

ZNP

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No...
The reputable scientists aren't saying what you want to hear...
So you toss them out because you think they aren't Christian...which is actually a load of CRAP...
The research scientist that developed Moderna's vaccine...I wave at his church on the way to mine...the one he regularly attends. And it isn't some humanistic church. Or a chandelier swinging church...same type as Max Lucado attends.

I'm just more used to mine than his but I wouldn't classify it as humanistic. It's definitely Christian.
How is our rejecting your "experts" any different from you rejecting ours? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. No one made you the final arbiter of truth.