Ham

Like some have said, I believe Ham's sin was looking at his father's nakedness and mocking him, rather than covering him.

But I haven't gone beyond what was written...(you have)

No, you have. You are inventing that Ham did something wrong when he didn't. He isn't cursed, blamed or yelled at one time because he didn't do anything wrong, but Canaan sure did. Stop adding to the text.

And exactly where in scripture does it say that Canaan did something?

I'm peeing my pants here.

Noah cursing him means he is the one who did something wrong.
That's vulgar and immature. Are you a child?

But I haven't gone beyond what was written...(you have)
And I even alluded to the point YOU brought up about generational curses and explained how they came about...

So now you are saying how wrong I am with my assessment but contradicting and disagreeing with yourself all at the same time...

The cognitive dissonance knows no bounds in your head eh?

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it’s all this guy does comes out with all his ideas and says no one gets it but him I wouldn’t take it personally he’s one of those folks who already knows everything that can be known so it’s hard to discuss but the criticism is on par with his time here sort of his goal

Its kinda odd how he just doesn't understand scripture...

Adam sins and the Earth is cursed.
Cain kills Abel and Abel isn't allowed to farm anymore BUT if anyone kills Cain they are cursed.
So Ham sees his father's nakedness and Canaan is cursed...

There's a theme here...

We commit the sins and everyone we love and everything we like around us pays the price. That's the insidious nature of sin.

Actions have consequences...and usually not the consequences we want. But God exercises his mercy and grace and loving kindness.

We commit the sins and everyone we love and everything we like around us pays the price.

Its kinda odd how he just doesn't understand scripture...

Its kinda odd how he just doesn't understand scripture...

Adam sins and the Earth is cursed.
Cain kills Abel and Abel isn't allowed to farm anymore BUT if anyone kills Cain they are cursed.
So Ham sees his father's nakedness and Canaan is cursed...

There's a theme here...

We commit the sins and everyone we love and everything we like around us pays the price. That's the insidious nature of sin.

Actions have consequences...and usually not the consequences we want. But God exercises his mercy and grace and loving kindness.

Interesting, why do you think that is? I just read about how Jacob was concerned about being cursed for deceiving his father and Rebekah his mother said let it fall on me? Why did she push him to deceive his father I mean yes I know that she was told the older would serve the younger but why should it have been through deceit?

Interesting, why do you think that is? I just read about how Jacob was concerned about being cursed for deceiving his father and Rebekah his mother said let it fall on me? Why did she push him to deceive his father I mean yes I know that she was told the older would serve the younger but why should it have been through deceit?

Did Ham, Noah's son, sleep with his wife? Yes a bit controversial but genuine question Why did Noah curse Ham's son Canaan?

We know seeing nakedness is the realization of sinfulness (Gen.3:7).
Ham told his brothers about his fathers' sinfulness. That's all.
It's important for us not to gossip about others, seeing we are all in need of mercy. Noah cursed the one who would follow in his fathers' footsteps.

Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father’s nakedness. Gen.9:23

love covereth all sins. Pro.10:12

None of that is biblical except that he saw something. There's no mocking or sin attributed to Ham in the passage. None.

Because she didn't want to see Esau become leadership of the family.

In a patriarchal household the Patriarch was the leader whose responsibility was taking care of everyone. Esau kept on going out and having fun. Hunting parties were just that...parties. All about goofing off and having fun. And she didn't think that Esau was going to settle down and be proper leadership for the family.

She actually was looking out for everyone...but she still didn't get her way. Jacob had to leave and Esau remained in charge.

There were two things...the Birthright and the blessing. The birthright was the power to lead and the blessing was the money required to lead...but in this case the blessing also came with the lineage of Christ. Esau sold the right to lead. The thinking being that Esau didn't care if Jacob made him rich. But the people in their care did....there were a lot of servants and families that depended on them. (Spice trade and flocks don't run themselves)

We know seeing nakedness is the realization of sinfulness (Gen.3:7).
Ham told his brothers about his fathers' sinfulness. That's all.
It's important for us not to gossip about others, seeing we are all in need of mercy. Noah cursed the one who would follow in his fathers' footsteps.

Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father’s nakedness. Gen.9:23

love covereth all sins. Pro.10:12

Ham saw his father's nakedness, and told his brethren. He fell short (sinned) of his father's expectations, if not also God's.

Also...
This is the result of "helping God" when HE didn't ask or make it apparent that you may help. (Service is a privilege)

Also this is only one generation past Abraham. The knowledge of God is slipping away. Abraham was God's friend. Isaac had favored status but didn't really know God. His two sons (and wife) knew even less. You can't do evil and expect something good as a result.

Why do you say hunting parties were parties? and why in this case the blessing also came with the lineage of Christ? I read something interesting that Esau was going to break Jacobs yoke eventually and would no longer be under him.