The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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ewq1938 said:
You can't force someone to understand the truth. Either they will eventually get it or they never will. When I post to disprove pre-trib only maybe ten percent of my effort is intended for that person. 90 percent is meant for those reading who likely will never even post anything. Most of the people who post often have already set their minds and will never change or accept what others say. Some will and I have asked God to publicly change someone's mind on one of these hotly debated topics. If God agrees on that, that will be an exciting day.
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Is that what Christ will say on Judgement Day, You are going to the Lake of Fire because you misunderstood you are to accept Me and Believe?
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
Is that what Christ will say on Judgement Day, You are going to the Lake of Fire because you misunderstood you are to accept Me and Believe?
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God is God so he can say what he wants to but we aren't God and we have all been wrong before and most people that have some things right have other things wrong and don't even realize it.

All this "YOU ARE A LIAR" stuff is just like people in hell throwing gasoline at each other. It just should stop. It harms the position one holds. It's like wrapping the truth in hate. No one is going to give what you say any real consideration when it is thrown at them like that.
 
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ewq1938 said:
God is God so he can say what he wants to but we aren't God and we have all been wrong before and most people that have some things right have other things wrong and don't even realize it.

All this "YOU ARE A LIAR" stuff is just like people in hell throwing gasoline at each other. It just should stop. It harms the position one holds. It's like wrapping the truth in hate. No one is going to give what you say any real consideration when it is thrown at them like that.
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You either Believe the Word of God or you do not!

You either believe what Christ said, or you do not!

If what God says is TRUTH, anything else that differs from what God says, is NOT TRUTH!

If you go against what God says, what would God CALL YOU?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar;
 
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John146 said:
Looks to me that when he returns, he will return to earth and sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem. See also Luke 1:32.

Matthew 25:
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
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Indisputably. To think otherwise is unfathomable.....
 
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You either Believe the Word of God or you do not!

You either believe what Christ said, or you do not!

If what God says is TRUTH, anything else that differs from what God says, is NOT TRUTH!

If you go against what God says, what would God CALL YOU?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar;
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That was a reference to this:

Psa 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
 
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When Divine Water Mark and cv5 quote you [or anyone Pre-Trib follower], feel their spirit and TEST IT!

You can feel their distress, confusion, and the lies they believe in order to believe such non Biblical Garbage!

Not one of them answers if when Christ Returns He gathers only the Living.

They completely know they are WRONG and are trying to avoid it and change the topic!

Just read their responses!

They are DEFEATED and now scrambling for LIES!
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That distress and confusion you're feeling must be your own. Because it certainly isn't mine....
 
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peldom10 said:
Wrong.
You are typical of the new age religion type appearing since the 1960's.
Can you show us a date in the 1800's...or any prior to 1960's of that position being captured in published form?

We are waiting....?
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Don't need to bother with any of that. I'm going strictly with what Jesus and Paul has to say about the matter. Jesus' use of the Jewish wedding ritual as a template ties everything together.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
Nowhere does the SECOND COMING show Jesus on the Ground, but ONLY IN THE CLOUDS, when He gathers His People.

So, we are Caught up to Him at his Second Coming!


So, where in Matthew 24 does it show Jesus is on Ground Earth when his Angels gather His People?
Where does it show more than ONE Coming?
And are those His Angels gather 100% LIVING?

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: NOT ON THE GROUND
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Just like Paul describes in 2nd Thess concerning the Rapture!
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Lol
That is the pretrib assertion.
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
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He prepared a place for us 2,000 years ago.

You know you cannot answer my question so now you are trying to manipulate me.

Why not just answer my question?

Those who Christ gathers at His Second Coming, are they 100% Alive?
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You do realize that all those gathered in 1 thes 4 are " alive"????
Pssst...resurrected saints are ALIVE when gathered.

No dead people go in the rapture only live ones
 
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Not one of them answers if when Christ Returns He gathers only the Living.
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That's a given. The resurrected saints are very much alive, and those who are alive for the Rapture are also very much alive. But "when Christ returns" is ambiguous. It is either "When Christ comes FOR His saints" (at the Rapture) or "When Christ comes WITH His saints" (at the Second Coming).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That's a given. The resurrected saints are very much alive, and those who are alive for the Rapture are also very much alive. But "when Christ returns" is ambiguous. It is either "When Christ comes FOR His saints" (at the Rapture) or "When Christ comes WITH His saints" (at the Second Coming).
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Good reply. Still the question is nonsensical. Probably intentionally vexatious.
 
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Absolutely said:
You do realize that all those gathered in 1 thes 4 are " alive"????
Pssst...resurrected saints are ALIVE when gathered.

No dead people go in the rapture only live ones
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But both the Dead and Alive are [[Gathered]], which is the specific wording I used to ask my question!
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
That's a given. The resurrected saints are very much alive, and those who are alive for the Rapture are also very much alive. But "when Christ returns" is ambiguous. It is either "When Christ comes FOR His saints" (at the Rapture) or "When Christ comes WITH His saints" (at the Second Coming).
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Pay attention, I used Gather/ed.
Both the Dead and Alive are Gathered.
 
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Pay attention, I used Gather/ed.
Both the Dead and Alive are Gathered.
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"Gathered" is no different than Christ coming FOR His saints. Naturally they are gathered unto Him. But that has nothing to do with the Second Coming of Christ.
 
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Absolutely said:
You do realize that all those gathered in 1 thes 4 are " alive"????
Pssst...resurrected saints are ALIVE when gathered.

No dead people go in the rapture only live ones
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It's a pretty bizarre question to begin with you ask me.......o_O
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
But both the Dead and Alive are [[Gathered]], which is the specific wording I used to ask my question!
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I think you're confusing the Schrödinger's cat paradox with straightforward Biblical truth....:rolleyes:
 
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Is that what Christ will say on Judgement Day, You are going to the Lake of Fire because you misunderstood you are to accept Me and Believe?
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John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:19 AMP
Do not quench [subdue, or be unresponsive to the working and guidance of] the [Holy] Spirit.

God Bless!
 
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Heaven_Bound said:
You either Believe the Word of God or you do not!

You either believe what Christ said, or you do not!

If what God says is TRUTH, anything else that differs from what God says, is NOT TRUTH!

If you go against what God says, what would God CALL YOU?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar;
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On a good day when you think you are on top via " being right" and us pretribbers are left in the dust of your correctness, you will be able to brag about what is not there????

You are centering on WHAT IS NOT THERE!

Therefore you are centering on nothing but conjecture.
 
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