All have sinned .....Romans 3:23

there’s just the flesh it’s what we do in the flesh that’s sinful or holy Jesus never committed sin but was tempted as we are because he was flesh too. He was hungry during his fast too like we are , he was offered a chance to be important in the world like we are if we serve the world , he was challenged on the truth of his claim to be Gods son like we are

the way Jesus dealt with temptation is what’s important Unlike other men

Sin is the result of the lusts of the human flesh living in the world

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


we are tempted because we have flesh and blood and live in a world that always pulls at our body the senses , emotions , snares and traps struggles and strife.

it isn’t sin to be tempted it’s something that occurs to man through the flesh. It’s sin when we follow the temptation knowing Gods word that forbids it.

What Adam and Eve did was sin , what Jesus did when tempted was overcome temptation never sinning showing us also how to overcome temptation when we face it

“For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he knows what it’s like because he’s been tempted he knows it and never failed to overcome it so he can help us if we turn to him when tempted. So we can overcome

human nature ?

Yes she had the sin nature but she couldn't pass it on to her Son as the woman's egg remained uncorrupted -----and God showed her favor ----So God forgave her sins so she could be impregnated with the Holy Spirit -----

Luke 1:29-30
29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God.

Strong's Concordance
charis: grace, kindness
grace, as a gift or blessing a favor, kindness.

is used of the kindness of a master toward his inferiors or servants, and so especially of God toward men: Luke 1:30;

That is false doctrine and heresy.

Total Depravity is sound doctrine.

However, in Romans 3:23, the words "come short" are in the present passive indicative Greek verb tense...

Which indicates that we come short of the glory of the Lord inasmuch as we are passive in our pursuit of God and His holiness.

If we are active in our pursuit of Him, His kingdom, and His righteousness, then we can indeed circumvent Romans 3:23 and do not have to come short of His glory;

as it is written,

Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

For, if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

That being said, Total Depravity is sound doctrine (Genesis 6:5, 8:21, Romans 3:9-18, Romans 3:23, 1 John 1:8, 1 John 1:10, Jeremiah 17:9, Romans 7:18, 1 Timothy 1:15, Luke 11:13).

Again this is speculation. Nothing in scripture says this. Mary was just as much a child of Adam as you and me.

Mary did indeed find favor because she was prophetically and sovereignly chosen for this miracle. She passed sin on to all of Jesus's brothers and sisters so what made Jesus different? The Holy Spirit made him divine, holy and not Mary's egg made him without sin.

Yes, some put a Catholic vibe on Mary being more than she was.

If that is your speculation then that is your speculation -------that is not mine ----God is God and He chose Mary because she was a faithful servant -----and by Faith she was made righteous ----as was Noah ----Abraham ----Isaac ---Jacob -----and the list goes on ----

Mary was impregnated with the Holy Spirit and therefore she had to be made holy ---set apart by God for His purpose ------just like we are made holy now when we receive Jesus and have the Holy Spirit indwelling in us --we are then forgiven of our sin ------- no one had the Holy Spirit come upon them unless God had chosen them and were made righteous by and through their Faith in God in the Old Testament -----God would never send the Holy Spirit who is Holy to impregnate a Sinner -----that just goes against Scripture

Mary put her faith into action by receiving what she was told by the angel ------and therefore she said-----
38 Mary said, “I am the servant of the Lord. Let this happen to me as you say!” Then the angel went away

I say to you ---You have no understanding of God and how He works ------

35 The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the Son of God.


Luke 1:26-56 NCV
An Angel Appears to Mary
26 During Elizabeth’s sixth month of pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin. She was engaged to marry a man named Joseph from the family of David. Her name was Mary. 28 The angel came to her and said, “Greetings! The Lord has blessed you and is with you.”
29 But Mary was very startled by what the angel said and wondered what this greeting might mean.
30 The angel said to her, “Don’t be afraid, Mary; God has shown you his grace. 31 Listen! You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of King David, his ancestor. 33 He will rule over the people of Jacob forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary said to the angel, “How will this happen since I am a virgin?”


35 The angel said to Mary, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will cover you. For this reason the baby will be holy and will be called the Son of God.

36 Now Elizabeth, your relative, is also pregnant with a son though she is very old. Everyone thought she could not have a baby, but she has been pregnant for six months. 37 God can do anything!”
38 Mary said, “I am the servant of the Lord. Let this happen to me as you say!” Then the angel went away

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Hebrews 11 NiV
Faith in Action
11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[a] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, 18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. 27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[d]
32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.
39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect

Sin DNA is not passed down through the egg of the mother but through the sperm of the father.

Since Jesus' Father was God and is without sin, no sin was passed down through the male part of the interaction between Mary and the Holy Ghost.

There are many things that God did that God has not fully explained to us. These things are not necessary for us to understand, we are told exactly what we can understand, and we should simply accept those things. God created the world, and did not give a textbook sort of lesson on the step by step method used. God's rime is eternal time, our time is sequential. God did not explain that.

We are to know of God's attitude toward sin, and that Christ was sinless. We are to accept that.

We are to know that our attitude toward sin that God asks us to have is to repent of sin and ask forgiveness when we miss the mark. We cannot have a desire not to sin and a desire to sin at the same time, so to accept Christ is to accept following our desires about sin the best we can. It means changing our behavior from following the world and our flesh to following Christ and the sin free nature of Christ.

Some people disagree with that because the work we do for Christ does not save us, our faith in Christ does that. If we work in order to acquire salvation it is work in vain for that. This is correct, but we are NOT working for salvation when we work because we accept Christ. Then it is not our work, it is the work of Christ in us.

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All have sinned .....Romans 3:23

So True
We are all born with the Sin Nature to Sin ------

My view

I do not believe ----that means that we are compelled without restraints to sin----- ( that is can't stop ourselves as some like Calvin suggests ) ------God gave us free choice to decide our actions ---to say we have to sin because every fiber of our being compels us to sin to me is absurd -----that says we are just puppets and have no say or choice and that goes against the fact that God gave us free choice in our decision making ---we can't just say ----OH WELL I do bad things cause I am compelled to -as I have a Sin Nature and take no responsibility for our actions ------

When we know right from wrong and good from evil --we choose to act on the positive or the negative freely ----All Satan is allowed to do is put the though to sin in our mind ---we choose to act on it or not -----even though Eve was deceived she still had a choice to accept or decline the fruit -----and so did Adam -----and so did Cain in his choice to chose murder -----

God said this to Cain ------

GENESIS 4:7
MSG
God spoke to Cain: “Why this tantrum? Why the sulking? If you do well, won’t you be accepted? And if you don’t do well, sin is lying in wait for you, ready to pounce; it’s out to get you, you’ve got to master it.”


Hebrew word for Master used in this scripture -----

Strong's Concordance
mashal: to rule, have dominion, reign

rule, have dominion over Genesis 4:7

The Sin Nature makes us -----WANT TO REBEL against God's will and do our own will ----It doesn't Compel -----force ----us to

Mary did not have to be sinless to carry the Christ child. Just like we do not have to be sinless to carry Christ in us. Actually, to say otherwise is the spirit of anti-christ; to say that Christ cannot take up residence in the flesh of men.

We do not take on the flesh of Christ. We take in His Spirit and it's His Spirit that gives us the power to become the sons (teknon or authentic practitioners in representation) of God.

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yeah I was noticing that everyone in the Bible are just men and women Mary , Paul , John , Elijah , Enoch …..

the gospel is about God becoming one of us in order to save us from what we have done in and to the creation.

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:9-10, 16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus wasn’t born with a sinful nature nor was Mary mankind is born with a human nature we can either do good or evil. We are compelled to do good or evil and we then freely follow good or evil .

Jesus indeed partook of the same flesh we have the difference is when the evil came to Jesus tempting his humanity putting him to the test all Men face Jesus triumphed over sin and death facing the same battle we do because of the flesh in a world of lust of the flesh.

Jesus faced temptation because of the flesh he inherited through Mary , he overcame temptation because of the spirit of God. This is what we are all called to do our to death the flesh by following the spirit

Mary was just person a virgin chosen and blessed by God to bear the messiah his promised son. Jesus is where man meets God in one a perfect man who lived and died without sin in the flesh and God almighty from the beginning the creator of life and redeemer of life

Human nature isn’t sinful it’s corrupted and exists in a world that’s full of evil and wickedness so we become sinners we are born that way we inherited this and couldnt overcome it

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

…But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a corrupt law in us because of this

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we aren’t meant to know good and evil we’re meant to know God and be his image me follow his Will only. Instead in the steer they followed satans Will and became corrupt at heart.

my point is Jesus bekng born in the flesh doesn’t make him unholy , if he would have served the flesh rather than spirit it would have made him unholy.

Jesus is our hero he came and became just like we are in our weakness me overcame the struggle No one ever could he overcame the human nature me was glorified for eternity

I agree with this, although I don't think scripture is explicit. I believe this is why when God prophesied of Jesus in Genesis, He referred to the seed of the woman. We inherit our sin nature through the males, which is why Adam is responsible for plunging mankind into sin, not Eve (even though Eve sinned first).

It also makes sense of circumcision, where the removal of the unclean skin can represent the casting off of the sinful nature. Women were never commanded to be circumcised because obviously, they aren't born with this problem. But metaphorically, they do not pass onto their offspring the sinful nature - the foreskin of the heart - this comes from the man.

we aren’t condemned because of adams sin , we inherit a struggle with sin because of adams transgression we know both good and evil because of what they did and we have all sinned ourselves.

we inherit a corrupted nature that is conflicted between good and evil but it’s our own sins that make us sinners. We were never supposed to know good and evil but we’re made to know Gods Will alone and bear his nature

Sin entered into the world through man but we’re judged by our own sins

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

original sin only causes a conflict in us between good and evil , to act upon the evil is what our issue is that makes us sinners

we are accountable only for our own sins . Jesus faced the same conflict between good and evil he always chose the good when tempted through the flesh we need to learn to do that also and the gospel is how

Jesus won the battle that we all
Lost that’s why he came to win the victory

“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬