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Hey all, its been a while, i hope everyone is doing well, i pray our faith can remain strong shalom to all.

Its been a while since my last post,a few months or so, im hoping people are doing well, and Jesus and all his love, hope strenght peace and wisdom is blooming in your heart.

Today i finaly came to the decision to post this thread after much thought, I was hoping to help put an end to a not so pleasant stigma that has grown in the church of christians being scared totalk about oprression or possession, and what would cause people to take this view ? of being scared to talk about there true fealings concerning this matter.

Also i would like to raise awareness about fear for people who are scared to talk about there true fealings in this matter.

I know this is kinda hard in a public forum but people do get scared to talk about there fealings for fear there must be something wrong with them,

I know also that what im asking is even more hard for some people to open up and talk about there true fealings.

Quite a few peoples thoughts and good hearts have brought me back here, and i would love to study more with people here who really have left a fondness and kindness in my heart.

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
James 1:13

Lets start with the above, does God allow temptation and where does temptation come from. I would love to talk openly about the tell tale signs of how somebody may have a demon in there life, from opression or possession befor its to late for them to turn the back the clock to help a loved one whos life may be prematurely coming to an end , or befor there life is ruined . I would also like to take this oppertunity to hopefully get people to agree there is no difference between demon oppression and possession.

May i suggest that This topic needs open discussion with the thought in mind that many could be decieved in this topic expecially when, demons are so deceptive to take a person thoughts captive. and we should not be quick to judge people in this matter i bring to you today concerning demons. Because i know when ever a matter is raised to shed light on demons, they will and do take a persons thoughts captive more than ever.



May i also raise a wareness to the fact,that this topic could really help defeat demons, which is something demons dont want.

May i also bring awarness to the fact that we need to be ready for demons every minute of the day. reguardless of how strong a person may be in the lord. As our lord Jesus put it, the battle against demons is until the end.

For this reason may i welcome the oppertunity for people to realise we all need each other in this matter because demons are very deceptive, for this reason there lies and tell tale signs need to be established.

Demonic possession and demonic oppression are two different things.

A Christian cannot be possessed (indwelt and controlled by demonic entitites). "Greater is He that is IN YOU than he that is in the world." The Holy Spirit is literally God's presence living in us. Satan cannot force the Holy Spirit out or replace Him. That's Bible.

Christians can absolutely be demonically oppressed, which is spiritual persecution from outside upon the Christian. Look at Job for an example, actual Satanic oppression.

In some ways yes i would agree but not in all ways, the most important thing being human suffering can be just as bad in both cases i feal. But also i would like to add that because in some situtations oppression and possession have indifferences, does this make them completly different to each other ?.

A person i feel can be controlled by oppression, and this is where most people fail to spot the diffrence. oppression can control a persons thoughts all day long everyday for there whole life. there is many more ways oppression can control a person too. from losing sombody you love, to war, to arguments, to things going wrong, to mistakes, to nightmares when you sleep, to taking drugs, to falling for temptation, to people falling unwell in depression and anxiety, which leads to other sicknessess, and all of which also happens the same in possession.
And the danger is the demon would like you to think this is acceptable when it is just as invasive as possession.

Meaning the demon will always get away with tricking a person they are not there. when they are.
This is why we need to talk about (what are the tell tale signs there is a demon in a persons life).

The reality is the a demon can possess you in oppression, (meaning) when your thoughts are taken captive in oppression this is also a possession of intrusion of your thoughts being taking captive.

Intrusion and possession are two of the same meanings in world of haunting.

Oppression is a type of haunting

Possession is a type of hauting

Both are intrusions and haunting is what demons do.

In both oppression and Possession the demons takes the persons thoughts captive which is (possesion of intrusion)


Lets us first establish what are the tell tale signs there is a demon in persons life. this would be a good place to start. then from there we can identify there little or no diffrence between opression and possession.

If all the tell tale signs of oppression of how to identify there is a demon in your life, or your friends life, or your family are not established then this thread is lost and the demons win in somebodies life.


May i remind everyone the true battle we all face is the battle against demonsand also may i remind everyone that alll people can endure hurt.[/QUOTE]

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I'm still in disagreement about some things here.

Thoughts enter our minds all the time, some of them are ours, some of them are from spiritual beings (Satan), and some of them can even be from other people. Technology is being developed to speak thoughts into people's minds. My pastor, in a recent sermon, put it this way:

"Thoughts are like birds; you cannot control when they fly through your mind, but you can keep them from building a nest there."

In a sense, thoughts do lead to actions, so you could argue that thoughts control the mind. But the Bible makes it clear that the Christian has a choice over which thoughts to entertain and which to cast out:

2Co_10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

By the Holy Spirit that indwells us, we have this ability and we do not need to be controlled by wicked thoughts, whether our own or planted by the Evil One.

You talk about demonic oppression in terms of it being acceptable or not, but the reality is that oppression - in a believer and in the unsaved - is involuntary. Look at the account of Job. Job had no control whatsoever over Satan's persecutions of him. This is because Satan cannot touch the believer without God's permission. Any demonic oppression is therefore allowed by God for the purpose of strengthening the believer's faith and giving glory to God. The Bible is clear that God does not allow Christians to experience more than they can bear with the aid of the Holy Spirit.

I don't know how oppression works with unbelievers, though. Since they are in their sins, perhaps Satan has free reign over them if he is given an open door or invited in. It does seem from personal accounts I have read that this is the case. People seeking "the other side" for fun or curiosity often cannot close that door once it is opened.

Its fine to be in disagreement, over this matter, but i do feel we can not completely favour are own understanding completely as a done deal. in this matter which im not going to.

I dont know how good the new mind reading software and hardware is going to be in the very near future but by all accounts, it could be 90 percent accurate in also knowing what a person is hearing and thinking.
My concern for theese new gadgets that are soon to hit the public market would be, i hope they will be able to tell the diffrence from thoughts that are not coming from your own mind. If the new mind reading software is able to identify spiritual oppression or possession, then they could be a really useful piece of kit. all tho im highly sceptable they will be able to know a wisper in the ear from a demon as being a demon. they may be able to read that thought in your mind. but probably only able to identify that thought coming from the persons own mind.

Not so good if you then start to share everything your thinking with a loved one. demons would love theese new machines if they can be undetected with them because demons love sin. and decieving is there favorate sin, something they can do all day long, Even better for the demon if they can get away with going undetected there decieving. so you get two people sharing there thoughts thinking that they are there own thoughts when they are not, a demon would love that one.

demons are also able to appear as two beings at the same time and possess the thoughts of two people at the same time. in the garden of eden the snake was a demon taking to adam and at the same time the snake which was a demon that had changed appearance had seperated a part of itself on adams hearing whiles speaking as a snake, because only the oppressed person can see and here the demon,
I have also witnessed spiritual beings (demons) seperate into two people at the same time. there able to talk to you on the out side whilst controling your thoughts at the same time.


if the new Gadgets are able to detected thoughts as not your own, then perhaps they could be a good thing. my guess is theese machines would not read the thought as something an oppressed person was hearing. Because in oppression, only the oppressed person can hear the oppression. machines can not record oppression, yet but maybe they will now in the persons mind but not be able to identify it as oppression but possibly if its able to identify the path in which the thought came from.

At least we all be able to speak to each other then with proof that we are hearing theese things but still have to proof there not are own thoughts. which could lead to many fallouts friendships or relationships being lost.

The other big concern is with theese machines is if somehow there used as evidence to convict people, because demons are all about decieving a person. and really dont care who gets blamed for something.

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
James 1:13

If you apply the above scripture to Job 1 and 2 then answer why is a demon being allowed to tempt Job ?

I talk about oppression being acceptable to believer, be cause it is accepted, when really it should not in my humble reasoning of this matter.

From all my studys many people accept oppression, as something God can allow, but for this way of thinking is also accepting a demons behavior as acceptable conduct.

Taking this line of thinking is welcoming the demon and also being decieved by the demon.

For me personaly the demon knows that some people will detect there being oppressed and come up with the idea that God has allowed it. basically in the story of Job the demon is covering its tracks. God has not allowed the demon to tempt job. The demon in Job 1 is playing with Jobs thoughts and portraying the wrong God.

Also we see the same MO in adam and eve a demon portaying the wrong God. Coincsidence , or the real behavior of a demon. Genesis 3:4
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The demon said to eve 4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Here we see a demon portaying the wrong God, is it also possible a demon was portraying a wrong God in Job 1 ?.

Lots of interesting thoughts in your last posts. I am in agreement that I very much doubt technology would be able to tell if thoughts in someone's minds are their own or some other entity's (demon). The brain is a physical thing, and I think that the brain and its signals would be what a technological device would be monitoring and interpreting, while thoughts themselves are having an effect on the brain but are not merely chemical or electrical reactions in the brain. So I think we are on the same page here. And I agree such technology is very dangerous. Evil people try to control others' thoughts by controlling what they believe and how they are entertained. Being able to read thoughts is too much power for anyone aside from God to have. I don't know if demons can read thoughts though; perhaps they can.

I believe you are correct about the Genesis account that Satan/te serpent was portraying a different God. He took God's Word and twisted it just a little bit so that it ended up meaning pretty much the opposite of what God had actually said.

I disagree with you about Job, however, because the Scripture makes it clear what is actually happening. We have a behind the scenes look at what is going on that Job did not have. But I don't think you can blame God for Job's trials and temptations. They didn't originate with God. They were of Satan's making. I think God in His mercy holds back a great deal of evil that humanity simply would not be able to handle. Satan would enslave or destroy us all instantly otherwise.

Its clear that demons are portraying the wrong God in scripture. we see that in Genesis quite clearly. and we also see oppression going with it. but in many many other places where we see a demon in the bible is it possible that many people studying the word of God forget to take into account a demons mo and behaviour.

I apply a demons favorite mo and behavior to every scripture there seen in and every scripture there not the whole bible infact., and the real eye openener is scripture becomes unlocked.

where instructed to believe in the unseen, but what is missing from that is should we look for the unseen in every scripture, ? because it is there.

Job 1 satan is tempting Job to curse God could you agree on this ?. because ultimately satan is wanting Job to blame God. Satan is killing his family in the hope Job Blames God, The bottom of line of that is temptation. satan is tempting Job with all sorts to blame God. tempting him with upset anguish betrayal probably even mind control to going on behind the scenes, like satan wispering in your ear and saying why has God allowed this to happen, which again is not in this scripture.

But i cant see how you fail to spot That the wrong God is being protrayed in Job 1 by the demon, when the demon is tempting Job.

So basicaly what i am suggesting is that, in the the betrayal that happens in Job 1, yet again the wrong God is being portayed by a demon. On the basis that God does not tempt anybody.

The argument is people belive in Job 1, the demon was acting upon the authority Of God.

But quite clearly we see the demon tempting Job, which if we investigate scripture we see that God does not tempt anybody, which would imply that God would not give a demon permission to tempt anyboby,

which really suggests that yet again a demon is portaying a different God in Job 1. and as a result everybody who takes up the belief that demon oppression is on the authority Of God is hudwinked.

There can not be a double minded God. because if you believe that the demon has been given authority in Job 1 then you also have to change the word of God to say God allows temptation.

Would it be easier to say that Job 1 is the truth about a wrong portayal of God by a demon rather than call Job 1 a lie ?.

@de-emerald
You err NOT knowing the scriptures.
JStates has tried to help but this is not the first time I have seen you fixated on demons.

I do not know your country but sounds as if you've encountered voodoo,hoodoo or black magic of some kind.
SATAN CANNOT CROSS THE BLOODLINE OF JESUS in a persons soul.

Yes there is oppression and you err not understanding Job,and possibly God!

I can only pray that the Holy Spirit will get hold of you,give you a deep desire for the word and correct your understanding.

I really hate for others to read this junk and think it comes from a godly place!

Are you going to call Jesus fixated on demons to. You wouldnt want to stop people knowing the truth would you,? I saw this reply of yours yesterday and i thought how wrong this comment is in so many ways.

The first one being its back to front and the second one being, when ever i have spoke the truth about demons, i get attacked here, or i get some crazy remark that lacks wisdom and borderes on something a demon would say.

Also people see demon possession or oppression as the affected person screaming his head off, its not like that at all. its very malice and deceptive the affected person will never show signs there possessed or oppressed for many many years years, and experts who can identify a possessed or oppressed person can also not identify they are, so all theese stupid videoes you see of a possessed person screaming and yelling only hapens to an oppressed or possessd person when finaly there mind starts to crumble. your comments @Gardenias will only stop people from knowing the real truth about demons if you persist on taking the attitude you are, which then becomes a danger to people who need help and wisdom.

The idea that people or christians are fixated on demons is totaly obsurd and miss informing people with garbage, and to attack people this way stops people from studying the truth about demons and people can study this topic for as long as they want its a bible study, (really and secondly your comments could be from demon oppression, because your actually defending demons with your comments here, to say that it is christians who are fixated with demons is totaly false junk. Im not ranting or shouting but you need to get this , The main teaching of Jesus is to heal the sick cast out demons. which was his whole life time of work, Which includes a study of the whole bible. Are you going to call Jesus fixated on demons to.

Its the other way round demons are fixated with christians and people. i will show you a few instances of this in the hope your eyes can be opend.

PS I NEVER NORMALLY use BIG PRINT IN THREAD But there are poeple who need the truth from heaven

The fixations of demons.

genesis 6.2
2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.

Here above we see demons fixating them selfs on people oppressiong people without the authority of God. and here below the same

8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings. (fixation of demons making christians suffer all over the world without the authority of God, why defend demons.) and say they have the authority of God. or accuse christians of being fixated with them,)


10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.

After you have suufered God will restore you, but does that mean you will stop recieving more fixation from demons.

No it does not it means more fixation from demons and the words of our messiah Jesus.

Ephesians 6:12, NIV: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. against fixating demons who fixate themselfs upon christians making them suffer there whole life. where Jesus has to rebuild people mentaly over and over again renewing the mind daily everyday.

amen amen amen amen amen amen amen.

Wow YOU learned and overused a new word.....fixated.
Get real, people NEED to know about Jesus saving GRACE and his delivering POWER

Back to ignore you go!

ignorance again and you will not answer the question either are going to call Jesus fixated on demons. ?. God bless you mr ignorant

I dont like the way most of theese threads go about demons, why we cant have a discussion and study this topic and Judge demons without judging each other is something i would truly like. i would like that.
we really need to expose the lies of Demons if at all possible without hurting each other.
But i guess that maybe thats never going to happen without issues, especially since this topic allways revokes a demon.

and especially since it brings people to question the bible like never befor.

and seeing since we have to believe the bible is true that christians are oppressed all over the world by demons. Then i guess if where going to talk about Judging demons, then where always going to end up fightin each other. but if where ready for that, then where pre armed.

I know this because the bible is quite cleare that demons or angels can cause two people to quarel and bicker. there ways are written.

So please get over your upset.

Back tot he topic now should we call Jesus fixated on demons, and anyone can answer. i really do want to get a long with people here, really i do.

Can anyone remember the scripture where God sends his angels ahead of Joshua or abraham and causes people to argue. and then they win the battle, ? dont forget that demons where once angels to.

to do a complete study we have to study the behaviour of both demons and angels.

you want to get along with others on here?


then stop posting ridiculous things...

yes i do and i disagree its ridiculous

I dont think its rediculous, @gb9 because i have been posting scripture to show demons do not act on the authorityof God, i am only posting the truth, so far in this thread i have posted 6 scriptures showing demons do not act on the authority Of God. 6 scriptures showing the the truth against one scripture that suggests they have authority in Job 1

i do not mean this thread, i mean garbage like smoking or going to a football or baseball or whatever game is a sin.


unbiblical stuff like that will be disagreed with.

i have never said going to a football match or basball is a sin. your the one posting garbage now.

seariously i can put you on you first base if you want. or we can go head to head in a game of football i have no issues with that dude, you can even smoke a cigarette if you so desire. but i wouldnt advise it.

but footaball and base ball oh yeah i love that. but the greed in football is a sin that i have said here,

maybe you miss interpretated that to me calling football a sin. gee wizz no wonder you have issues with me for thinking i think everything is a sin.
honestly nuts really. im not that person