The Lord's Prayer Misunderstood

I disagree, it is not an outline of how we should pray, it is a distinct prayer that Jesus taught His disciples and us to pray. He never commanded us to pray the Lord's Prayer, He just taught us the prayer. So, if you find some distaste with the prayer, you don't have to pray it.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

See How Christ begins this?

After this Manner:

Does not mean EXACT, it means something like it!

In the context of the Lord's Prayer, "our daily bread" is plainly our daily food or our daily provisions or necessities. It is not speaking about Christ the Bread of Life. Which means that there is really no misunderstanding. Here are some commentaries:

"But here it has a still more extensive meaning: for we ask not only that the hand of God may supply us with food, but that we may receive all that is necessary for the present life." -- John Calvin

To explain ἐπιούσιος (as Orig. ), ὁ ἐπὶ τὴν οὐσίαν τῆς ψυχῆς κατατασσόμενος, and understand the expression of the Eucharist primarily, or even of spiritual feeding on Christ, is to miss the plain reference of the petition to our daily physical wants. -- Henry Alford

...this signifies the whole subsequent time of life, and so furnishes us with a very commodious sense of this petition; which is, that God would give us, "day by day", as Luke expresses it, Luke 11:3 that is, every day of our lives, to the end thereof, a proper supply of food: or the meaning of it is, that God would give us, for the present time, such food as we stand in need of; is suitable to us, to our nature and constitution, state and condition, and is sufficient and convenient for us: -- John Gill

Give us this day our daily bread. Because our natural being is necessary to our spiritual well-being in this world, therefore, after the things of God’s glory, kingdom, and will, we pray for the necessary supports and comforts of this present life, which are the gifts of God, and must be asked of him, Ton arton epiousion—Bread for the day approaching, for all the remainder of our lives. Bread for the time to come, or bread for our being and subsistence, that which is agreeable to our condition in the world (Prov. 30:8), food convenient for us and our families, according to our rank and station. -- Matthew Henry

You are misreading the Scripture in Matthew Cha 6.

Jesus instructs His disciples how to pray.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye:

Jesus is teaching us how to pray. Not as hypocrites, but in private and pray to the Father. Don't use vain repetitions, (The Lord's Prayer has deep meaning and when prayed with contemplation, love, and worship is not a vain repitition.)

So, Jesus wants us to pray to the Father without seeking reward and Jesus wants us to pray not in vain, meaning what we are praying from the heart. This is the manner in which Jesus teaches us to pray.

After telling His disciples in the correct manner of prayer, not to pray as hypocrites and not to pray with vain repetition, He then instructs them, teaches them, the Lord's Prayer.

Again, I say to you, if you have aversion to praying the Lord's Prayer, a prayer that Jesus taught us to pray, you don't have to. In all of Jesus' ministry, He never really commands, He teaches and asks.

Repetition, like saying the same words over and over like chanting is what is being discussed.
Jesus showed us to pray like you are talking to God and here are things you should include.
But like I said, He begins with: After this Manner:

Which does not mean EXACT, it means something like it!

Why would you change anything? I look at every word in that prayer, and find it perfection, just like God is perfect. Which part would you change? Why not say it as is. Saying the Lord's Prayer daily is not repetitive. Saying it every minute is.
You can first pray the perfect Lord's Prayer, then follow it by your own prayer. That would be good.

Hello,

I'm about to post a very important find that God guided me to, over many years of studying the Bible in a non-denominational way; without interference from churches or pastors or priests. The Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke11:2-4 is not getting the respect it deserves from Christians and churches. This is God Himself telling us how to pray, and pray it daily. And what do we do? We ignore it. Is that belief in Jesus?

I have been studying the Bible diligently over 30 years. I humbly ask everyone to take a moment to read it carefully, and look at the Biblical references within, which clearly support this new find. Please don't scan it quickly and just answer what you know or what your church taught you without regard to the Biblical evidence provided.

Thank you!

i do my personal prayers first, then the Lord's Prayer last.

Well Folks -----I Agree that the Lords Prayer is very Misunderstood -------

Many pray the Lords Prayer ---this prayer is said in Churches all the time ------

First off ----For any unbeliever praying this pray -----hate to tell you but God is not their Father ----Satan is ------and that Folks is scriptural ------


John 8:43-44 AMP
43 Why do you misunderstand what I am saying? It is because [your spiritual ears are deaf and] you are unable to hear [the truth of] My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and it is your will to practice the desires [which are characteristic] of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks what is natural to him, for he is a liar and the father of lies and half-truths.


SECOND
Hallowed Be your name ------so Hallowed in the Hebrew means ----to make Holy
hallow
HAL'LOW, v.t. L. calleo, to be able.
1. To make holy; to consecrate; to set apart for holy or religious use. Ex.28.29. 1 Kings 8.

I say --------So we see that this means -----to Make God's name HOLY --------how can we make God's name HOLY _____His Name is already Holy --------





I say -----
Are you really sure that this is the meaning of the Daily Bread in this Scripture -----because it seems funny that Jesus who is alive yet is telling His Disciples to ask for the Body of Jesus daily ---when Jesus had not died yet ------and Jesus never had told them about the bread being his body until they sat at the Last supper ------the Disciples would not have understood what that was all about -----that would mean nothing to them at at time -----

I say ----that is is saying to the Disciples to rely on God to supply their daily Bread ---as Bread was a staple for the Jews and the scriptures talk much about God providing Manna from heaven --Bread ---to the Israelite's ----that the Disciples would understand

This is the Hebrew word for daily bread --

Strong's Concordance
epiousios: for the coming day, for subsistence

Usage: for the morrow, necessary, sufficient.
1967 /epioúsios ("aptly substantive") only occurs in the Lord's Prayer. It refers to God's provision that is needed for each day (Mt 6:11; Lk 11:3) – literally, "bread that fits (meets) the unique demands of the coming day."


Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us -----

Again unbelievers saying this prayer is useless -----as they are away from God -----and God does not hear their prayers ---and that is Scriptural

I say ----In the Old Testament animal sacrifices were necessary for the forgiveness of sins ------and that was only for a year ------without the shedding of Blood there were no remissions of sin -----God may have forgiven certain people's sin who He chose to serve his purpose ---like Noah ---Abraham ---Moses ---John The Baptise ---Mary----but God put a law in place for the forgiveness of sin for the Israelite's -----

I say
Now--- today asking for God to forgive the sins of Born Again People is futile ------as our sins are already forgiven -----why would we keep asking for them to be forgiven by repeating the Prayer ----

You are actually Slapping God in the face ---by saying your in unbelief that Jesus paid the price for your sin by the shedding of His blood -----

AND ---- it is saying that people have to forgive all who have trespassed them ------to get God to even forgive their trespasses -----

And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from Evil

So Hebrew word for Temptation is ---

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
temptation, trial
From nacah; a testing, of men

I say ----Well again unbelievers asking God to not lead them into temptation is futile as they are away from God -----and with believers God does test His Children but always provides a way of escape and He never test us beyond what we can handle ------

And Deliver us from Evil -----

Hebrew word for Evil here is

Strong's Concordance
ra: evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
wickedness

I say ----For Believers today ---Jesus has already delivered us from Satan and the Curse ------so again why would we keep asking in this prayer for God to deliver us from Evil when we are already delivered ----Again it is like slapping God in the face saying ---I don't believe that Jesus delivered me from evil --

And for unbelievers ---they remain under Satan and the Curse -----so praying this prayer is futile for them

I say ----Praying this prayer after Jesus Shed His Blood and was crucified for Believers is not Right and for unbelievers it is futile ----the Prayer Jesus told His Disciples to pray was given because they wanted to know how to pray ----at that time -----They were Believers --not unbelievers --and that prayer was never ever prayed in scripture in a crowd setting ---there is not one time that Jesus or the Disciples told people to pray that prayer -----

Believers are doing an injustice to what Jesus accomplished on the Cross today by praying that Prayer -in my view ---

And God says in His word not to pray repetitive prayers

Matt 6:7
Berean Literal Bible
And praying, do not use vain repetitions like the pagans, for they think that in their many words they will be heard.

In the context of the Lord's Prayer, "our daily bread" is plainly our daily food or our daily provisions or necessities. It is not speaking about Christ the Bread of Life. Which means that there is really no misunderstanding. Here are some commentaries:

"But here it has a still more extensive meaning: for we ask not only that the hand of God may supply us with food, but that we may receive all that is necessary for the present life." -- John Calvin

To explain ἐπιούσιος (as Orig. ), ὁ ἐπὶ τὴν οὐσίαν τῆς ψυχῆς κατατασσόμενος, and understand the expression of the Eucharist primarily, or even of spiritual feeding on Christ, is to miss the plain reference of the petition to our daily physical wants. -- Henry Alford

...this signifies the whole subsequent time of life, and so furnishes us with a very commodious sense of this petition; which is, that God would give us, "day by day", as Luke expresses it, Luke 11:3 that is, every day of our lives, to the end thereof, a proper supply of food: or the meaning of it is, that God would give us, for the present time, such food as we stand in need of; is suitable to us, to our nature and constitution, state and condition, and is sufficient and convenient for us: -- John Gill

Give us this day our daily bread. Because our natural being is necessary to our spiritual well-being in this world, therefore, after the things of God’s glory, kingdom, and will, we pray for the necessary supports and comforts of this present life, which are the gifts of God, and must be asked of him, Ton arton epiousion—Bread for the day approaching, for all the remainder of our lives. Bread for the time to come, or bread for our being and subsistence, that which is agreeable to our condition in the world (Prov. 30:8), food convenient for us and our families, according to our rank and station. -- Matthew Henry

Repetition, like saying the same words over and over like chanting is what is being discussed.
Jesus showed us to pray like you are talking to God and here are things you should include.
But like I said, He begins with: After this Manner:

Which does not mean EXACT, it means something like it!

Hello Marilyn,

I do appreciate your observances, good points, but I humbly disagree. Here is why:

1. Jesus was on earth for a short time. He would not confuse us with a prayer instruction not meant for everybody. Were we to expect Him to revise His prayer after His death? Or assume He'll say something like "surely they'll know what to do now..."

2. The more likely answer based on these Biblical references is that the prayer was for all of us (Jews and Gentiles, meaning the Christians of today). If you only have a bit of time to check a reference, look at John Chapter 6. The majority of this chapter is Jesus telling the Pharisees to eat His body (the Bread) and drink His blood. This was Jesus talking pre-cross, not post-cross. And look at these references:.

Your references are from people. My references are from the Bible.

Your references are full of mysterious words (what is this: "Ton arton epiousion"

Why would you change anything? I look at every word in that prayer, and find it perfection, just like God is perfect. Which part would you change? Why not say it as is. Saying the Lord's Prayer daily is not repetitive. Saying it every minute is.
You can first pray the perfect Lord's Prayer, then follow it by your own prayer. That would be good.

. I didn't think the Jews did anything Jesus instructed, unless they accepted Him as the awaited Messiah. Or it could be that they say it to mock it because they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.

That's a great question. Why don't Christians pray The Lord's Prayer more often and especially at worship services?

Well, you are mistaken sir! Please take a look at John Chapter 6.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

See How Christ begins this?

After this Manner:

Does not mean EXACT, it means something like it!

That's a great question. Why don't Christians pray The Lord's Prayer more often and especially at worship services?