Cain and Abel

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Blik

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Sacrifices-- a.k.a. gifts and offerings --are not always required to be bloody,
nor always for, nor always because of, sin. See posts No.3 and No.35
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m So was Cain's sacrifice a gift and offering or did Cain and Abel perform the sacrificial rites that system calls for?
 

Webers.Home

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Gen 4:9 . . Jehovah said to Cain: Where is your brother Abel? And he said:
I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?

This religious man's reaction to the object of his worship is just as
unexpected as the murder he'd just committed. Cain worshipped the true
God, and his rituals were correct and timely; yet Cain was insolent and
responded to his maker's inquiry with a lie and a sarcastic rejoinder. It's not
too difficult to appreciate God's rejection of this man's recent offering.

Gen 4:10 . .Then He said: What have you done? Hark, your brother's
blood cries out to me from the ground!

Whether or not human blood actually has an audible voice isn't nearly
important as to what it might be saying. And in this case with Cain, it
certainly couldn't be good.

A contrast is made between Christ's blood and Abel's at Heb 12:24, viz:
Abel's blood prosecuted a guilty man, whereas Christ's blood has the
potential to cleanse a man's guilt.
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Pilgrimshope

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Hebrews 9:22 — "Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." refers to Lev. 17:11 for the life of the body is in its blood. I have given you the blood on the altar to purify you, making you right with the Lord.[ a] It is the blood, given in exchange for a life, that makes purification possible.

It is a universal truth that there can be no sacrifice without blood. Christ is the only way, either literal Christ or Christ in prophecy as it was under the sacrificial system.

When God covered Adam and Eve with skins, he had shed the blood of animals to show us his plan for our salvation that God established from the time Adam and Eve required it.
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

yeah the animal blood was a pattern of what Christ would do later that would atone for sin

as I think I’ve shown you at least three times the animal blood was a pattern of what was coming in Christ be the blood shed by Moses had no power to remit sins it was a constant reminder of their sin because they had to constantly shed blood.

Like to law of Moses the animal blood was only a pattern for what Christ was to do

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the animal blood was a pattern foretelling the messiah just like Moses words were a pattern foretelling Jesus words

When you look into what it means that Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets it’s going to make good sense Moses was only ever given an earthly pattern that was foretelling what God was going to do later to save man from sin.

Jesus blood is the source of all atonement the animal blood was shed to start teaching man about Jesus blood and it’s power of atonement
 

studentoftheword

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#44
I Think --Faith is the issue -----

Faith in God is a requirement for God's approval -----Able showed he had Faith in God ----- He did not value his Flock more than God ---as Able picked the best from His Flock to present to God -----


Genesis 4:4 NIV
4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering,

I say -----Cain on the other hand showed he did not have Genuine Faith in God -----he actually showed no respect in what he offered -----and he responded badly when God refused hid offering -----so he showed no Faith and no respect for God ------


Genesis 4:5 AMP
5 but for Cain and his offering He had no respect. So Cain became extremely angry (indignant), and [a]he looked annoyed and hostile.

Scripture clearly says ---without Faith we cannot please God ------
 

Pilgrimshope

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I Think --Faith is the issue -----

Faith in God is a requirement for God's approval -----Able showed he had Faith in God ----- He did not value his Flock more than God ---as Able picked the best from His Flock to present to God -----


Genesis 4:4 NIV
4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering,

I say -----Cain on the other hand showed he did not have Genuine Faith in God -----he actually showed no respect in what he offered -----and he responded badly when God refused hid offering -----so he showed no Faith and no respect for God ------


Genesis 4:5 AMP
5 but for Cain and his offering He had no respect. So Cain became extremely angry (indignant), and [a]he looked annoyed and hostile.

Scripture clearly says ---without Faith we cannot please God ------
look what God tells him will make him acceptable and what God warns him about if he doesn’t do what’s right

“And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith would be if cain had heard what God told him there and then repented from his countenance rather than follow his own Will and kill his righteous brother. He followed the works of the flesh instead and murdered his brother why ?

“Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭

cain was a wicked guy his deeds weren’t acceptable to God , abele were. Cain wasn’t accepted because his works weren’t right , his works weren’t right because his faith wasn’t right , his faith wasn’t right because God told him how to be acceptable “ just do what’s right d you’ll be accepted “ but instead his countenance led him to kill little
Bro

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This was what he failed to hear

“If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door”

your right he had no faith that’s why he was wicked like that. Faith has to be hearing what God has said To us . He would never lead us astray or to do things that would seperate us from him.

cains faith was in the word he rejected . “repent and do what’s right “ would have been faith to follow
 

Blik

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“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

yeah the animal blood was a pattern of what Christ would do later that would atone for sin

as I think I’ve shown you at least three times the animal blood was a pattern of what was coming in Christ be the blood shed by Moses had no power to remit sins it was a constant reminder of their sin because they had to constantly shed blood.

Like to law of Moses the animal blood was only a pattern for what Christ was to do

“For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the animal blood was a pattern foretelling the messiah just like Moses words were a pattern foretelling Jesus words

When you look into what it means that Jesus fulfilled the law and prophets it’s going to make good sense Moses was only ever given an earthly pattern that was foretelling what God was going to do later to save man from sin.

Jesus blood is the source of all atonement the animal blood was shed to start teaching man about Jesus blood and it’s power of atonement
The sacrificial system was a shadow of things to come, but Christ is the reality. The blood Christ shed for us is part of that reality. It is a universal principle of God, something that was true at Genesis and true at Revelation that blood is required for forgiveness of sin----that is in plain scripture.