"School students 'forced' to listen to the Gospel" ???

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GardenofWeeden

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There are zealots on both sides of things, but it does say it was meant to be volunteer not mandatory, so thankfully it's not an entire school or district trying to force religion on people, just a couple misinformed, maladjusted teachers.
 
Roughsoul1991

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SomeDisciple said:
https://www.wowktv.com/news/local/h...otest-forced-religious-revival-with-walk-out/

So, which is it?
1) religio-political false flag operation
2) false prophet
3) sincere idiots

Regardless, trying to coerce people into worship is creepy. Please dont.
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This is why these teachers and parents need to start their own private or charter school giving them the freedom to teach how they want.

A Christian event is an American historical event . If you wish to know and understand the thinking of the founders, our foundation in law, foundation in science, medical, education, etc then you must understand the Christian theology.

In fact, the founding father of American education actually taught Christian morality in public education. Even the textbooks had sentences out of the Bible.

We have to remember that government was never voted or given the power to create a department of education. Education was to be local and state led and the only thing in the 1st Amendment restricts the government from creating a state church and for people to freely believe what they want.

It was only in the early 1900s when somehow Christian teachings became unconstitutional. A poor argument when this country was established in 1776.

Should all religions be allowed? Are all religions compatible with understanding US history and the foundation of it's laws? Are all religions compatible with the laws of the Constitution? No, only one had its roots in American history and it is our Christian heritage that has protected, fought for and established human rights. It is that heritage where we came to prosper on the world stage.

It is the abandonment of that heritage that has led us to this depravity we are now all seeing.
 
ZNP

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SomeDisciple said:
https://www.wowktv.com/news/local/h...otest-forced-religious-revival-with-walk-out/

So, which is it?
1) religio-political false flag operation
2) false prophet
3) sincere idiots

Regardless, trying to coerce people into worship is creepy. Please dont.
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This is ridiculous. I worked at a school and we will have a number of assemblies throughout the year. Just because you don't agree with the speaker is not a valid reason to not go to the assembly. what a bunch of wusses. I am a Christian, we have had speakers who were BLM, we had Jews, Muslims, and a variety of speakers pushing critical race theory. Never once did I stand up like some kind of wimp and say I want to go back to my room, I don't agree with this. That is what education is all about, ask questions, see through the hypocrisy.

This is a bogus story. Can you imagine them getting upset that someone from BLM spoke? How about some guy who was in a prison ministry run by Muslims? How about a Jewish lady who was in the Holocaust.

Some students at the school invited the speaker, they came and they had an assembly. This happens all the time. It isn't part of the curriculum. Also, if a kid says I want to go back to the room then you need a teacher to go with them. If the school really made this optional they would have opened the gym for all the kids who didn't want to go and had a gym teacher or two there to supervise. However, it is a bad practice as there are kids who will choose the gym over any and all activities.

Schools want kids to take initiative, invite speakers and as long as they aren't dangerous it creates a good environment where kids get to express what they are interested in. Did you ever see the film about the guy who climbs mountains without a rope? In that movie he went to his high school and was a speaker. Most schools would not want him as that would possibly encourage other students to do that, however since he went to that school it shows where alumni have gone on to do,
 
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This is ridiculous. I worked at a school and we will have a number of assemblies throughout the year. Just because you don't agree with the speaker is not a valid reason to not go to the assembly. what a bunch of wusses. I am a Christian, we have had speakers who were BLM, we had Jews, Muslims, and a variety of speakers pushing critical race theory. Never once did I stand up like some kind of wimp and say I want to go back to my room, I don't agree with this. That is what education is all about, ask questions, see through the hypocrisy.

This is a bogus story. Can you imagine them getting upset that someone from BLM spoke? How about some guy who was in a prison ministry run by Muslims? How about a Jewish lady who was in the Holocaust.

Some students at the school invited the speaker, they came and they had an assembly. This happens all the time. It isn't part of the curriculum. Also, if a kid says I want to go back to the room then you need a teacher to go with them. If the school really made this optional they would have opened the gym for all the kids who didn't want to go and had a gym teacher or two there to supervise. However, it is a bad practice as there are kids who will choose the gym over any and all activities.

Schools want kids to take initiative, invite speakers and as long as they aren't dangerous it creates a good environment where kids get to express what they are interested in. Did you ever see the film about the guy who climbs mountains without a rope? In that movie he went to his high school and was a speaker. Most schools would not want him as that would possibly encourage other students to do that, however since he went to that school it shows where alumni have gone on to do,
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If I ever thought an assembly was a waste of my time, I would just leave school for the day...
But, no, I think these guys are right. This wasn't just an 'assembly' with a 'speaker'. They were holding service. And I wouldn't want my kids (if I had any) forced to go to a Muslim worship service, or any other worship service- that is spiritual fornication and unacceptable, so I wouldn't make anybody go to an assembly like that.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
If I ever thought an assembly was a waste of my time, I would just leave school for the day...
But, no, I think these guys are right. This wasn't just an 'assembly' with a 'speaker'. They were holding service. And I wouldn't want my kids (if I had any) forced to go to a Muslim worship service, or any other worship service- that is spiritual fornication and unacceptable, so I wouldn't make anybody go to an assembly like that.
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No problem, as long as you are consistent. Have you walked out of movies that have religious services depicted in them, often as over the top mockery of Christians?

Also what exactly does that mean? Did they listen to someone share about their ministry? Personally I don't trust the media anymore they are trying to polarize the whole world.
 
SomeDisciple

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ZNP said:
o problem, as long as you are consistent. Have you walked out of movies that have religious services depicted in them,
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Observation vs. participation. Supposedly, they were making the students participate, which is over the line for me. I personally wouldn't do a live observation of another religion's services because I already know I have no intentions of converting to another religion- and I think it would be intrusive and weird to walk into mosque or something with only the intent to observe. (honestly, I have no idea what they do) But maybe I would watch video-material maybe to learn what they do, but never participate in actual fellowship.
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Personally I don't trust the media anymore they are trying to polarize the whole world.
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Oh, I totally agree! That's why I posted my three remarks. I'm definitely being skeptical of the whole situation, because I can definitely see it being publicized and weaponized. "Christians Proselytize In Public Schools, Forcing Conversion of Children". I can only hope that most people are as skeptical as I am.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
Observation vs. participation. Supposedly, they were making the students participate, which is over the line for me.
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As far as I am concerned I need to see a video of the offending event. In this day with everyone having a phone I find it very, very hard to believe that anything that was truly offensive would not have been videotaped and gone viral.
 
p_rehbein

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Oh the horror.............THE HORROR OF IT!





(HEHE)
 
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p_rehbein said:
Oh the horror.............THE HORROR OF IT!





(HEHE)
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Yes, if the absolute worst of what they are saying is true they may have heard things like they are sinners who can only be saved by Jesus! Can you imagine how traumatic that can be to someone raised on the milk of the public school that all things are fine and there is no such thing as sin.
 
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I mean... is it cute and funny when people's religious rights are violated? Since it's being done in Jesus name, that makes it right? I'd say that it makes it even worse. That's not how people are genuinely converted.

The offended parties seem to have accepted that it was a mistake /misunderstanding for the most part, so that's probably what it was- at the moment it doesn't look like the situation will escalate.

If this was an Imam at the school preaching Islam, saying; "All the prophets are EQUAL!!! Allah has no son!!!" I know I would not be willing to give the Principal (who was at the service) and the teachers who "accidentally" made the students go; the same benefit of the doubt- no way. I'd want the Principal and those teachers under heavy scrutiny from that day forward.

I just think we have to be careful of coming off as hypocrites, because people pick up on that sort of thing very quickly.
 
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I mean... is it cute and funny when people's religious rights are violated? Since it's being done in Jesus name, that makes it right? I'd say that it makes it even worse. That's not how people are genuinely converted.

The offended parties seem to have accepted that it was a mistake /misunderstanding for the most part, so that's probably what it was- at the moment it doesn't look like the situation will escalate.

If this was an Imam at the school preaching Islam, saying; "All the prophets are EQUAL!!! Allah has no son!!!" I know I would not be willing to give the Principal (who was at the service) and the teachers who "accidentally" made the students go; the same benefit of the doubt- no way. I'd want the Principal and those teachers under heavy scrutiny from that day forward.

I just think we have to be careful of coming off as hypocrites, because people pick up on that sort of thing very quickly.
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Really, all Christians get smeared because of something done at a high school? Why aren't the hypocrites judged by the same standard.

As far as I am concerned I have not seen evidence of anything. What I have seen is people making allegations. These same people are probably not offended at seeing Christians and Christians services mocked in the movies. Where is the video? Why in an age when everyone has videos are there no videos of this "offensive meeting"?
 
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The meeting itself isn't what is offensive. It's teachers making them go to it and not allowing them to leave- which, as the story has now developed, they admitted to, apologzed for and were disciplined for- that was the offense.

Criticism and mockery isnt a violation of our rights. Making us attend a religious service is.

Nobody in the story was smearing all Christian's, not yet, but that is my concern- because if something like this happens on the regular it would frame Christian's as attempting religious tyranny.
 
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SomeDisciple said:
The meeting itself isn't what is offensive. It's teachers making them go to it and not allowing them to leave- which, as the story has now developed, they admitted to, apologzed for and were disciplined for- that was the offense.

Criticism and mockery isnt a violation of our rights. Making us attend a religious service is.

Nobody in the story was smearing all Christian's, not yet, but that is my concern- because if something like this happens on the regular it would frame Christian's as attempting religious tyranny.
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Seriously, the kids cannot be allowed to go through the building unsupervised. So this is not an issue for the teacher, of course the teacher couldn't let the kid go, she/he had to supervise the kids in the meeting. If anyone is at fault it is the principal for not setting up a room for kids who didn't want to go. Why would the principal forget to do this? Probably because they never do it regardless of who the speaker is. Why is everyone such entitled little brats?
 
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I think NO CHILDREN should have their constitutional rights violated by being FORCED to listen to people promoting a religious or philosophical view they find offensive.

Therefore... no child should be forced to listen to a Christian, a Muslim, an atheist, a communist, a neo-marxist or anyone who promotes a religious or philosophical worldview which the child finds offensive or antithetical to his own.

There... that settles everything doesn't it?


But that WON'T settle things.

And we all know why.

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storm in a teacup

hearing the gospel isnt going to harm you

most bibles in schools just have an opt in. When I taught, only the kids that wanted to hear were in my class, the rest did something else. I felt for the kids who really wanted to hear, but their parents kept them away. they told me they wanted to come but it was their PARENTS who didnt want them to.

They would have heard it from their friends anyway

the ones who werent paying attention were a bit annoying but we still prayed for them

as for worship songs, nobody is forced. The songs are not worship orientated, they were very careful not to select those (you know, like hillsongs)

when we all prayed together, if you didnt want to say amen at the end you didnt have to. Always told children that they could just keep quiet while someone was saying a prayer. The prayer was never long and drawn out or asking for anything bad...it was always asking for blessings.

If a child was that offended they could always walk out but that never happened, they might have acted up but children can be noisy and distracted whatever is being taught. Sorry but like it or not, in school you will need to learn maths, reading and writing. And some schools will teach christian values through the Bible. This is far better than teaching NOTHING and having the kids when they are grown up later going on to jail.

as had happened at one school it was found they had to implement a behavioural program to deal with all the bullying. Now they are trying to teach using Purakau i.e myths and legends own their own culture. If they actually had the Bible and read from it they wouldnt have had this problem...

not all parents read stories to their children , mine didnt.
 
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I'm concerned with people not appreciating the first amendment in this thread. I am pleased to have the freedom to worship my Heavenly Father. While I have that freedom, I also have freedom FROM religion.

The teachers who didn't allow the students to leave were clearly in the wrong. You can view the kids as petty, immature, etc... nevertheless, people fought and died for their right to not have it forced down their throat.

I think being morbidly obese is wrong, but I don't think we should be legally allowed to force people to treat their body as a temple. It doesn't make a difference if it's physically feeding or mental feeding, we have free will and can put whatever we want into our body/mind.
 
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