Saved by Water

You have not identified any of my teaching as heresy except to make a general statement about it.

Why don't you specify what you think is heresy in my doctrine?

What specifically, in what I am teaching, do you find to be heretical?

I am in fact discussing the scriptures with you but my end of what is being spoken of is doctrine / teaching as well as yours.

Using the analogy and metaphor of us having been brought out of Egypt, through the Red Sea, and out into the desert where our trust and loyalty towards God was tested, many of us subsequently failed that test in that desert walk and lost our lives.

I don't agree that we can't trash our faith, and lose our inheritance, we can. Once we've lost/discarded our faith (and I have come across people that appear to have done that), the Father won't hand out the gift of faith to us again, that would be tentamount to putting His Son back on the cross, and He will never do that. Throwing our faith away is different to our wayward nature transgressing against God from time to time, most if not all of us do that. But if we are sincere in our grief for transgressing and confess such failings to our God, then He is gracious and faithful to forgive us our sins, and wipe them from our record.

I need to emphasise that there is a difference to the gift of faith to believe and trust in Jesus that the Father offers out to us, to the denominational faith that may have passed onto us through our upbringing, or through our own selection, they are not one and the same.

see, there you go again!

so much pride. You must be so insecure in your belief you feel you have to act like a child in your arguments.

I did not know the KJV was written by the apostles, that it is a 2000 year old bible that was inspired by God.

for the remission f sin in any language does not always mean for the purpose of.. but you do not want to hear this,

you don’t want to hear 3rd person singular

you don’t want to hear you is not a 3rd person pronoun

you do not want to hear for could mean “for the purpose of” and can also mean “because of”.

you Don’t want to hear the origional text, you only want to hear an old bible interpreted in a flawed language

you want to replace the baptism of God with the baptism in water as a means of being born again, feel free, and will not force you to believe in his work.

but don’t blame us for not listening to you, because you have not offered us any reason to listen to you

A dog is a dog, he returns to his vomit because he is a dog

a christian is no longer a dog, he was created new a new creature, he does not return to what he is no longer

Insomuch as Peter's reference below is to 'those that had previously escaped defilement through their knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ', he was obviously referring to those that were previously counted as Christian:

"For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”"

Through obedience to Acts 2:38 God accomplishes salvation in us. It is God who actually performs the saving work. We are compelled to repent after He calls and leads us. God remits our sin in water baptism, and also takes up residence in those who believe and obey Him. (Heb. 5:9) The spiritual rebirth would not even be available without Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. It is the very grace of God that made this possible.

It is faith that what God says is true that results in one receiving the promised rebirth experience. As Jesus stated except a man be born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5)

Normally, when we see some sin in the life of someone else, it is because that sin is very prevalent in our own lives (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

I don't mind hearing any of those things...I simply do not believe in them.

I think that you do not want to hear that repentance and baptism in Jesus' Name is the condition to a conditional promise in holy scripture (of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost)...

I think that you are the one who has indeed developed itching ears concerning these things.

Do you know why these people bully others? Because they're allowed; they [can].

Having knowledge, and having salvation are not the same

Alot of people have knowledge, yet have never received Christ in faith.

A dog is a dog. You can teach a dog a new trick, But he is still a dog. A dog returns to his vomit because that is what he is.

And it will be worse for them, they had the knowledge to be saved in their grasp. and let it slip by and did not receive it in faith.

Imagine going through eternity with this knowledge

God performs the saving work through god himself baptizing you into Christ, His death, His burial, His body, and his church. (a spiritual baptism)

Not because a pastor or teacher or discipler or anyone baptized you in water (a physical baptism)

Normally, when we refuse to see sin in our own lives. and other people call us out. We attack them, because we are blinded to our own sins

Its not that I do not want to hear it. It is that it is not there

John 3, John 4 John 5, John 6., many other places. Baptism is not mentioned.

You want to take 1 (2) verses and distort and twist them, then claim your not trying to earn salvation.

Then get mad and attack and belittle people who can not see as you do. Because they have tested what you say, and found it to be lacking evidence and proof.

yeah.. There was a time that was not allowed.

Its sad

I could certainly be wrong, but my studies have led me to conclude that to have True Knowledge is symbolic of possessing the Holy Spirit. Anyone who is being permanently led by the Holy Spirit has received a Holy Inheritance in waiting to come.

Understanding - Christ
Knowledge - Holy Spirit
Wisdom - God, the Father

Sorry . . . just thought I'd interject this important notion.

I agree with you, though. I LOVE opposing ideas of others! I really do, but it's when the belittling begins, that's when I back off and honestly, want nothing to do with that person (or bot). In my fifties, now, it has been proven to me that anyone who is able and willing to berate and belittle, there is no hope of reaching that person on that particular day, nor anytime in the near future. To date, those who have belittled and berated me . . . less than the fingers, on one hand, have they returned to apologize. Instead, they revel in their evil doings. Pretty incredible.

The sum of God's word is truth (Psalm 119:160) Truth cannot be realized in rejecting some passages and accepting others. God's Word states that truth is established by 2-3 scriptures. (Matt. 18:16) The need to obey God's command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is a part of the rebirth process. This truth is seen in the history of the NT church described in the Acts of the Apostles. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 8:35-40, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 16:28-33, 18:6-10, 19:1-6, 22:16) It began in Jerusalem and continues to spread throughout the world as prophesied by Jesus. (Luke 24:47)

op: saved by water?
Precious friend(s), Taking ALL The Related Scriptures (Rule 5 BsR),
and not rejecting, twisting, Misinterpreting, OR EXTRACTING Them
From "God's Context," Where HE Placed Them, But, Simply Rightly
Dividing (Rule 2 BsR) Them:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL, under the gospel of the kingdom:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Especially Luke 7:29-30;
Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Mystery/GRACE! =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST, with
The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 ◄◄◄)
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Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for
us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's
{Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!?

Thus, "op's" Bible Answers = "Yes" for ISRAEL, but:

"NO!" For The Body Of CHRIST!
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FULL "study" of ALL Bible baptisms is here:

12 baptisms vs ONE Baptism

LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth That Has Solved
my Confusion. May This Also be used for the Encouragement of Many others.
Amen.

GRACE And Peace (no rituals needed...)

the question is, did they have the HS.

I just read they had knowledge of salvation.

Yet they returned to what they were. a dog.

A dog always returns to his vomit.. because he is a dog.