Democrats block bill by Republicans to impose sanctions on Russia.

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The Democrats blocked the Republican effort Democrat Joe Biden has been threatening Russia with this whole time.

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Kamala Harris was right! This is unprecedented.
 
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I think Biden isn't mentally able to keep abreast of events.

He tries his best to read the teleprompter scripts put before him. I don't think he knows what he's actually talking about.

I agree with what was said in a different thread. Biden is an example of being a victim of elder abuse.

God knows of Communist Harris takes his place that'll be worse. America abuse.
 
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iamsoandso said:
In the link the article is dated January 13, 2022 (before Russia invaded)... Why do you think they should put sanctions on a nation while we were in diplomatic negotiations trying to avoid a conflict?
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To prevent WWIII or at least try.
 
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iamsoandso said:
In the link the article is dated January 13, 2022 (before Russia invaded)... Why do you think they should put sanctions on a nation while we were in diplomatic negotiations trying to avoid a conflict?
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It is now discontinued so they were correct in doing so. Putin cannot be trusted he has arrested many prominate and wealthy people in Russia while he was head of the KGB and since taking over the government and has stolen their money and property. Incase you havent noticed he's a dictator and has bin in power for over 20 years. He has all those that oppose him including protesters put in prison. Putin has a communist dictatorship, across the pond we have a democratic dictatorship.
 
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More on Putin........ ( for those who haven't done their homework )


The Russian novelist Sergei Lebedev is currently based in Berlin. But it is the popular uprising in Moscow that hangs darkly over our conversation. Hours before we speak, protesters calling for the release of the jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny take to the streets in towns and cities right across Russia. The Kremlin’s response is a familiar one: thuggish violence.
The TV images make a Mordor-like tableau. Faceless riot police clash their shields together in a rhythmic display of power; demonstrators raise their arms in a plucky counter-clap. There are arrests, many thousands of them. Young men are savagely beaten and dragged through grey slush into waiting police vans. One sets himself alight in an apparent act of rebellion.

After 20 years of repressive rule by Vladimir Putin, and his fellow KGB alumni, discontent is boiling over in Russia. But to what end? Lebedev is optimistic about political change, of a civic thaw after a long winter. “Putin is no Gorby. We are not in perestroika,” he admits. “But our grandparents and parents lived with the idea they would die in the USSR. Then all of a sudden, in two or three years, you are in an absolutely different reality. I think that could happen again.”

Thousands of people attend a protest against the jailing of Alexei Navalny in St Petersburg on 31 January. Photograph: Valentin Egorshin/AP
 
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TheLearner said:
To prevent WWIII or at least try.
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I would think so too but the N-pipeline goes from Russia to the EU/Germany and are part of the sanctions Germany imposed four days ago after Putin invaded. Before he invaded he was told it was part of the sanctions that would be in place if he invaded.
 
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lawrence101 said:
It is now discontinued so they were correct in doing so. Putin cannot be trusted he has arrested many prominate and wealthy people in Russia while he was head of the KGB and since taking over the government and has stolen their money and property. Incase you havent noticed he's a dictator and has bin in power for over 20 years. He has all those that oppose him including protesters put in prison. Putin has a communist dictatorship, across the pond we have a democratic dictatorship.
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Yep at my age I've seen multiple leaders in both the former USSR and now Russia and would suggest not trusting much of what they say.
 
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More on Putin........ ( for those who haven't done their homework )


The Russian novelist Sergei Lebedev is currently based in Berlin. But it is the popular uprising in Moscow that hangs darkly over our conversation. Hours before we speak, protesters calling for the release of the jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny take to the streets in towns and cities right across Russia. The Kremlin’s response is a familiar one: thuggish violence.
The TV images make a Mordor-like tableau. Faceless riot police clash their shields together in a rhythmic display of power; demonstrators raise their arms in a plucky counter-clap. There are arrests, many thousands of them. Young men are savagely beaten and dragged through grey slush into waiting police vans. One sets himself alight in an apparent act of rebellion.

After 20 years of repressive rule by Vladimir Putin, and his fellow KGB alumni, discontent is boiling over in Russia. But to what end? Lebedev is optimistic about political change, of a civic thaw after a long winter. “Putin is no Gorby. We are not in perestroika,” he admits. “But our grandparents and parents lived with the idea they would die in the USSR. Then all of a sudden, in two or three years, you are in an absolutely different reality. I think that could happen again.”

Thousands of people attend a protest against the jailing of Alexei Navalny in St Petersburg on 31 January. Photograph: Valentin Egorshin/AP
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Yep it made me laugh when the reporters kept asking about S.W.I.F.T. because if NATO had done this along with the sanctions then they would not be protesting against Putin as they are in Russia, Georgia ect. now but would have been polarized in support of Putin because it would have been felt by every citizen in Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWIFT SWIFT would if placed on Russia as a nation cause the John and Jane Doe's of Russia not be able to make E-payments,online purchases,,pay utilities buy diapers ect. and so they(Russian people) will be angry with those who did this instead of protesting against Putin. Let Putin and the elites face the brunt of the sanctions and let his own people protest and remove him from his throne.
 
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Yep it made me laugh when the reporters kept asking about S.W.I.F.T. because if NATO had done this along with the sanctions then they would not be protesting against Putin as they are in Russia, Georgia ect. now but would have been polarized in support of Putin because it would have been felt by every citizen in Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWIFT SWIFT would if placed on Russia as a nation cause the John and Jane Doe's of Russia not be able to make E-payments,online purchases,,pay utilities buy diapers ect. and so they(Russian people) will be angry with those who did this instead of protesting against Putin. Let Putin and the elites face the brunt of the sanctions and let his own people protest and remove him from his throne.
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Yes exactly, i dont see the point of slamming sanctions on the Russian people who are opposed to this war, its the people of Russia that will suffer not Putin, he will still have his T-bone steak and mashed potatoes. I can just see Putin laughing when they threatened sanctions and sent 6000 US troops to Europe last week. It was like an invitation to invasion .
 
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Yes exactly, i dont see the point of slamming sanctions on the Russian people who are opposed to this war, its the people of Russia that will suffer not Putin, he will still have his T-bone steak and mashed potatoes. I can just see Putin laughing when they threatened sanctions and sent 6000 US troops to Europe last week. It was like an invitation to invasion .
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Yep few may know this but SWIFT is backed by the US dollar and so the ships leaving Russia with exports will need to return home and the businesses who made those purchases may not receive those goods. The details of this sanction are in working out how to stop payment from the banks being transferred in both directions(buyer,seller in one nation to the banks in Russia and vise versa) so billions of dollars may or may not end up in the correct bank before this is completed. The Russian workers who work in the industries that export(oil,gas,grain,minerals ect.) will not be needed in a few weeks and be unemployed so no more food.diapers,utilities ect.... Then instead of them protesting against Putins war they will see the ones who took the food off their families table as the bad guy. Everyone should take a look at how we buy and sell because it's possible to have an pin number in our forehead but without the SWIFT number cant slide your card and enter your number so you cant buy nor sell... Another risk is that it has the risk of crumbling the US economy along with Russia's if people loose confidence in SWIFT/US dollar.
 
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iamsoandso said:
Yep at my age I've seen multiple leaders in both the former USSR and
now Russia and would suggest not trusting much of what they say.
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Hello SoAndSo :) Have you seen Winter On Fire: Ukraine's Fight For Freedom? It is on Netflix...
 
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I just finished watching it. It is excellent and heartbreaking at the same time...
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I put it on our list,,,we cross them off as we go or we end up watching stuff and don't figure out we already did until about half way,lol . I ask my wife though because there's another movie about Ukraine(low budget one) we started watching and cut it off(can't remember the name,lol).
 
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