Interpreting the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus: It's Really Good News!
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Has to be b/c things are happening that the Bible says cannot happen in real experience.
Jesus said the dead are unconscious in graves, not in conscious torment. Peter also said twice the wicked are "reserved" for future punishment, which means they ain't being punished now.
"Moses and the Prophets" was a well known symbol for "Word of God" to the Jews; "Abraham" will not "wake or be raised out of (his) sleep" until the resurrection, according to prophet Job, and "Lazarus" was called such so that when the real Lazarus was raised from the dead and the Jews plotted to kill he and Jesus, the people would remember Jesus' words that if they refused to believe the Word, they wouldn't believe though one rose from the dead.
Jesus said the dead are unconscious in graves, not in conscious torment. Peter also said twice the wicked are "reserved" for future punishment, which means they ain't being punished now.
"Moses and the Prophets" was a well known symbol for "Word of God" to the Jews; "Abraham" will not "wake or be raised out of (his) sleep" until the resurrection, according to prophet Job, and "Lazarus" was called such so that when the real Lazarus was raised from the dead and the Jews plotted to kill he and Jesus, the people would remember Jesus' words that if they refused to believe the Word, they wouldn't believe though one rose from the dead.
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Not a one. Are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning with "eternal fire"? Is Jerusalem still burning with fire "that shall not be quenched"? And, "smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever" can either refer to "eternity" or "until it is done": Greek "aionios" - "duration: either undefined but NOT ENDLESS or undefined because endless."
FYI, there are many places in Scripture where "forever" is used in conjunction with events that have ALREADY ENDED, and is why scholars agree that when "forever" is applied to the affairs of God, it means "eternity", but when applied to the affairs of men, it usually means "all the days of life", such as in the case of the slave who chose to remain his master's slave "forever" which is "all the days of life". The smoke of the wicked will rise until there's nothing left but ash, which the righteous will tread down, will we not?
FYI, there are many places in Scripture where "forever" is used in conjunction with events that have ALREADY ENDED, and is why scholars agree that when "forever" is applied to the affairs of God, it means "eternity", but when applied to the affairs of men, it usually means "all the days of life", such as in the case of the slave who chose to remain his master's slave "forever" which is "all the days of life". The smoke of the wicked will rise until there's nothing left but ash, which the righteous will tread down, will we not?
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Here is the verse
Rev 20:14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death— the lake of fire.
Explain the one hell. Where is it? In death, hades, lake of fire? Let's see the fantastic gymnastics. Please use the Scriptures to support it.
Rev 20:14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death— the lake of fire.
Explain the one hell. Where is it? In death, hades, lake of fire? Let's see the fantastic gymnastics. Please use the Scriptures to support it.
Matthew 25:46 (NASB)
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
EXACT same Greek word!
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Sigh...Sodom and Gomorrah burned with "everlasting fire" - the fire is out and they're under the Dead Sea. Their wicked inhabitants aren't burning now because punishment is "reserved" until the future. (2 Peter 2:9 KJV)
To say: "They're burning now but not being punished but will soon be taken out of the flames, judged, then put back in the flames as punishment" is so ludicrous, it doesn't even warrant being taken seriously. A man on trial facing death as punishment is not punished with death until after a jury of his peers finds him guilty. To you who believe this nonsense, Paul asks, "Or, know ye not the saints will judge the world?"
They are "sleeping", unconscious, unaware of anything, in state of insensibility, awaiting the Resurrection of the the Damned, after which they are "to be punished" (2 Peter 2:9 KJV) in the Lake of Fire where they will burn up and pass out of existence in the Second Death, the permanent death, the eternal death, a death from which there will be no resurrection.
To say: "They're burning now but not being punished but will soon be taken out of the flames, judged, then put back in the flames as punishment" is so ludicrous, it doesn't even warrant being taken seriously. A man on trial facing death as punishment is not punished with death until after a jury of his peers finds him guilty. To you who believe this nonsense, Paul asks, "Or, know ye not the saints will judge the world?"
They are "sleeping", unconscious, unaware of anything, in state of insensibility, awaiting the Resurrection of the the Damned, after which they are "to be punished" (2 Peter 2:9 KJV) in the Lake of Fire where they will burn up and pass out of existence in the Second Death, the permanent death, the eternal death, a death from which there will be no resurrection.
Solomon and Paul wrote these two verses because they knew there'd be folks like you in the church:
"He who speaks first seems right until another comes and cross examines him".
"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things."
So far, you ain't proved squat, but man do you believe to be right those things you've never heard cross examined
"He who speaks first seems right until another comes and cross examines him".
"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things."
So far, you ain't proved squat, but man do you believe to be right those things you've never heard cross examined
Why are you obsessed with rewriting the Bible? It couldn't be any clearer!
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Solomon and Paul wrote these two verses because they knew there'd be folks like you in the church:
"He who speaks first seems right until another comes and cross examines him".
"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things."
So far, you ain't proved squat, but man do you believe to be right those things you've never heard cross examined
"He who speaks first seems right until another comes and cross examines him".
"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things."
So far, you ain't proved squat, but man do you believe to be right those things you've never heard cross examined
Yes indeed! Jesus said so.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Yes, that's why people die physically.
Let's try this again.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Yes, that's why people die physically.
Let's try this again.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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