The New Apostolic Reformation

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SophieT

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I occasionally use those phrase. I also have argued very specifically from scripture for doctrinal stances on the issue. I have read the OP. Evaluating the doctrinal strengths and weaknesses of what the NAR actually believe in light of scripture seems to be within the bounds and norms of the forum. I moderate a rather narrow forum elsewhere, and I've moderated broader forums. If the mods or owners want to set some narrower parameters, I would respect that.

But if you don't like what I think the parameters of such a discussion are, that's tough. You don't have any right to tell me what to do. You don't have to be in control of people. Why not relax a little, calm down, take a deep breath, go out side, get a little fresh air, pray a bit? If you don't like something on a forum, you don't have to read it. If you don't like the style or breadth of discussion, you can just not say anything, like I suppose most other do. If you haven't read it, you shouldn't make broad comments on other people's posts. If you take issue with the doctrinal content of my posts, I don't mind if



I have asked a rude and poorly behaved male posters on the Internet whether he had internal desire for drama. If that makes you think of women liking drama, read the Proverbs about quarrelsome women and consider whether there is something there that makes women come to mind, and meditate on what you can learn from them for your own life. You are constantly getting into this little arguments with people about nothing. I've seen it with other posters from time to time. For this thread, you seem to think I am a target.


You seem to think in a very wooden way. Maybe you aren't open to aspects of the Bible that do not fit your preconceived notions, or many you skip over my posts but want to comment on them anyway. If you have issues with the specifics of Bible interpretation, quote them and let's discuss it. That's in keeping with the nature of the forum. But do you see anyone else starting quarrels with other posters along the lines of yours with me in this thread?



I am a human being. At times I do not understand God's will in certain things. If you can't relate to that, maybe you aren't introspective, or maybe you just do not want others to know you don't know everything or cannot admit it to yourself. Some of us go through a process to determine what decision to make or how to discern the will and work of God... at times. At times it can be easy or one can get really specific direction.

really?

musta missed those posts but at least you are a human being

I don't relate to you though
 
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If you want to research modern reports of resurrections from the dead, you can do so. I believe Keener may have some research on that in his 1200+ page volume 'Miracles'. It seems to have been a rather rare miracle throughout scripture and also today.

But why would you require that I personally raise someone from the dead before being able to answer why you think parts of the New Testament no longer apply? What about 'we walk by faith, and not by sight." Shouldn't we believe the teachings of scripture and seek to understand them even if we haven't seen every little type of thing God may do mentioned in it in our own personal experience?
Why not ?
 

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Gifts are distributed among the saints as the Spirit wills according to I Corinthians 12. We do not even see examples of all the apostles raising someone from the dead. These types of expectations should be acceptable according to what we see presented in scripture.

Also, if your attitude is you do not believe certain scriptures in the New Testament do not apply to the church unless you see some kind of miracle to prove it, surely you can see how such an approach to scripture would be problematic.
 
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Gifts are distributed among the saints as the Spirit wills according to I Corinthians 12. We do not even see examples of all the apostles raising someone from the dead. These types of expectations should be acceptable according to what we see presented in scripture.

Also, if your attitude is you do not believe certain scriptures in the New Testament do not apply to the church unless you see some kind of miracle to prove it, surely you can see how such an approach to scripture would be problematic.
Actually these things should 'follow them that believe' you claim to believe. There is no evidence that you do.
 

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Actually these things should 'follow them that believe' you claim to believe. There is no evidence that you do.
Hmmm. How many healing or miracles have you done. I have laid hands on people who said the pain left or reported back they did not have the medical i have heard the bone pop in the compound fracture of a leg as I laid hands on a man. This does not mean I am holier than someone not used in a particular way.
God's grace is manifold and manifestations of the Spirit are distributed as the Spirit wills.

Are you a Christian by your own interpretation of Mark 16?

method? The passage says the signs shall follow _them_ that believe. That is plural. They follow the group. That does not mean that everyone has to drink poison to be a Christian. Have you done that, btw? Cola doesn't count. If you do I recommend doing the baptism part in Mark 16 first. And I do not recommend doing the poison thing on prupose. If I recall Eusebius it happened to Barsabas without him knowing at the time.
 

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Hmmm. How many healing or miracles have you done. I have laid hands on people who said the pain left or reported back they did not have the medical i have heard the bone pop in the compound fracture of a leg as I laid hands on a man.
Sure you have.
 

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Btw, you post a bit like atheists do. There are a lot of posters and I do not know if I read your beliefs. Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead? Do you believe God answers prayers?
 

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Btw, you post a bit like atheists do. There are a lot of posters and I do not know if I read your beliefs. Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead? Do you believe God answers prayers?
presidente, I know you desperately want to control the narrative.

All I will say is, yeah, I believe you when you say you can perform miracles.
 

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presidente, I know you desperately want to control the narrative.

All I will say is, yeah, I believe you when you say you can perform miracles.
I just want an honest response, but with words weighed carefully in the dear of the Lord of course.
 
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presidente, I know you desperately want to control the narrative.

All I will say is, yeah, I believe you when you say you can perform miracles.
[QUOTEpresidente, I know you desperately want to control the narrative.][/QUOTE]


in a nutshell, succinct and true
 

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[QUOTEpresidente, I know you desperately want to control the narrative.]

in a nutshell, succinct and true[/QUOTE]
James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
 
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in a nutshell, succinct and true
James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.[/QUOTE]

if you think it is evil, then kindly stop doing it

ps...don't sling scripture at me. I am way way past being rebuked by folks who drink tea with their pinkie in the air

right

the other interesting thing is why don't you quote the person who actually made that statement?

rhetorical question
 

presidente

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James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
if you think it is evil, then kindly stop doing it

ps...don't sling scripture at me. I am way way past being rebuked by folks who drink tea with their pinkie in the air

right

the other interesting thing is why don't you quote the person who actually made that statement?

rhetorical question[/QUOTE]
Well the forum didn't have the double quote activated.

I drink my tea the normal way. You seem you could be one of those pinkies-out girl unless this is some kind of anti-tea SDA or Mormon comment. I don't know how to include this in the post, but if you haven't seen this Far Side of the pinky out thing, have a look on the right of the screen: https://www.google.com/search?q=bar...i=WzQhYoOVPMyDtAa75r2wDw#imgrc=lYW6fG7WdsA27M
 

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All I will say is, yeah, I believe you when you say you can perform miracles.
I did not say miracles. I haven't walked on water or turned water into wine. I have had people tell me pain left, got word back from the doctor, and the bone popping thing once.

Have you ever prayed for anyone who got better--- not the sniffles getting better in 10 days, though we should be thankful to God for those things as well? Have you ever noticed God answering specific prayers for things that don't seem to just happen normally if you did not pray about them? Is it unbelievable to you that God might answer specific prayers?
 
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This is the original op that I created. I am not responding to anything else but posts about this topic. thanks for understanding

SophieT, post: 4785162, member: 303760"]The New Apostolic Reformation...commonly called NAR....is what is called a dominionist movement. You can also find this movement under other names such as Third Wave, Seven Mountains, Latter Rain, Kingdom Now, Joel's Army, Manifest Sons of God, and more. The assertion is that God is restoring the lost offices of church governance, with special focus on the office of Prophet and Apostle.

They place a greater emphasis on dreams and visions and extra biblical revelation, leaving the Bible as more of a suggestion to some of the more extreme in the movement. Some attest to trips to heaven featuring face to face dialogues with Jesus, special angel escorts....such as Todd Bentley's 'Emma'

The basic claim is that the leaders of this movement have the power and authority to execute God's plans and purposes on earth and in fact, are the only ones who can do this.

Since this movement has been brought up again, after a hiatus, perhaps examining it again would be interesting and helpful for those who wonder what it is
 

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Supernatural Ministry School, tarot cards, crystals, paying $5,000 to learn spiritual gifts, and that’s only the first five minutes of the video. Truly disturbing and sad what some people embrace rather than praying and reading the Bible.
Is Lindsay Davis single? My Brother larry is looking for a wife.
 

presidente

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Is Lindsay Davis single? My Brother larry is looking for a wife.
I was trying to figure out who Lindsay Davis was to get the context or the joke. Oh the girl in the video...and she is pretty...so I get it now.
 

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Check out this clip of Chuck Pierce on Sid Roth's It's Supernatural show. The part I'm commenting on starts at 37:36. Pierce is talking about the necessity of a "realignment" of God's people. Roth asks him what he means by this and Pierce says the church has been saying the spirit of God doesn't exist. This is a lie from Hell if I ever heard one. What he means is all the people who don't buy into the charismania lies don't even believe in the Holy Spirit. Chuck Pierce is issuing a direct invitation to apostasy and that's what the NAR is about—leading God's people into apostasy.

For whatever it's worth, Pierce is a member of the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders. https://narconnections.com/chuck-pierce-4/