Is Paul or Jesus your main guide?
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I just posted two passages that clearly tell christian believers not to be decieved into thinking that they can practice such things and still be saved. So therefore there must have been a teaching trying to deceive them that they could. And that false teaching has been around ever since then, and is still with us today.
I don't believe I can lose my salvation from a sin I fall into. I do believe that if I were to take up drinking today and become a drunkard that I would not inherit eternal life. So if I ever do become a drunkard I will not be telling myself that "its ok, Im still saved, God will look over this one sin" Instead I will be doing everything I can to get free of drinking, such as going to a rehab or whatever it takes so that I "do not deceive myself into thinking that I can be a drunkard and still inherit the kingdom of God"
I don't believe I can lose my salvation from a sin I fall into. I do believe that if I were to take up drinking today and become a drunkard that I would not inherit eternal life. So if I ever do become a drunkard I will not be telling myself that "its ok, Im still saved, God will look over this one sin" Instead I will be doing everything I can to get free of drinking, such as going to a rehab or whatever it takes so that I "do not deceive myself into thinking that I can be a drunkard and still inherit the kingdom of God"
Faith saved the OT saints. The blood was applied when Christ died. She was saved when she put her faith in Christ. Just like Mary Magdalean. Jesus told her that her sins were forgiven before he had died, but we all understand that the blood was applied to Mary. It's not all that complicated. Faith has always been what saved the righteous.
It is conditioned upon Repentance toward God and Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. It always included repentance and faith.
The reason the teaching about forgiving others is clearly emphasized in the NT is because it is one of the main strategies that satan uses to lead people to hell.
The fear of God tells me to preach it the way Jesus did and not to sugar coat it. Forgive others or you will not be forgiven.
Anyone who suggests that this message is not for all Christians today I would reject as a heretic and after one or two admonitions having nothing to do with them.
The reason the teaching about forgiving others is clearly emphasized in the NT is because it is one of the main strategies that satan uses to lead people to hell.
The fear of God tells me to preach it the way Jesus did and not to sugar coat it. Forgive others or you will not be forgiven.
Anyone who suggests that this message is not for all Christians today I would reject as a heretic and after one or two admonitions having nothing to do with them.
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there are a few here that have read Joseph prince and Paul Ellis books , that teaching comes from them and deceived people “ Jesus teachings really aren’t for you “
it’s this all over again
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
and then this
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:1, 4-5 KJV
your correct to Believe what you do Satan will always wait until we hear what God said and then subtly try to get us not to actually believe it is meant for us.
it’s the teachers who wrote the books that are to blame , but thier doctrines really deceive the mind to believe Gods word is. NOt actually true or not for you to believe , “listen to my words instead”
but thier books wouldn’t sell so well in the world if they were teaching what’s in the Bible they have to come up with a new doctrine that offers some other word
it’s this all over again
“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17 KJV
and then this
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:1, 4-5 KJV
your correct to Believe what you do Satan will always wait until we hear what God said and then subtly try to get us not to actually believe it is meant for us.
it’s the teachers who wrote the books that are to blame , but thier doctrines really deceive the mind to believe Gods word is. NOt actually true or not for you to believe , “listen to my words instead”
but thier books wouldn’t sell so well in the world if they were teaching what’s in the Bible they have to come up with a new doctrine that offers some other word
No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man, can take away sin, for how can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will increase the condemnation.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins agains the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:
Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:
Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:
Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
The priests indeed receive such offering as reconciliation of the worshippers for the trespasses against the law of Moses, but for sins agains the Law of God there can be no remission, save by repentance and amendment.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
-Blood Sacrifice is leaven from the pharisees:
Matthew 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
-Corruption of the covenant of Levi:
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
-Blood Sacrifice is not what our Father in Heaven wants:
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
-Blood Sacrifice was not commanded by our Father:
Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
-Blood sacrifice is "of fools" and evil:
Ecclesiastes 5:1 Keep thy foot when thou goest to the house of God, and be more ready to hear, than to give the sacrifice of fools: for they consider not that they do evil.
-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:
Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Yes, the hyperdispensationalist teachings. Some of the Dallas Theological Seminary professors from the past. Even though most at DTS would not agree and do not teach this Paul gospel doctrine.
Also the Free Grace camp.
Wayne Grudem wrote a book about these teachings and explains why they violate hermeneutics.
"Free Grace" Theology: 5 Ways It Diminishes the Gospel By: Wayne Grudem
Also the Free Grace camp.
Wayne Grudem wrote a book about these teachings and explains why they violate hermeneutics.
"Free Grace" Theology: 5 Ways It Diminishes the Gospel By: Wayne Grudem
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This is a wonderful lane of thought that you have provided for us. And, so much could be said, or written on the subject.
Here are my random, off-the-cuff thoughts.
When I think of Paul, I think of him as being perhaps the most compliant of all followers of Christ in the written New Testament. And yes, this has much to do with the fact that he wrote the majority of the NT. In all of the writings that involve him, I see an extremely pure person who held firm to all that he understood and believed. Paul's Beliefs became the foundation of what most of us understand to be our genuine Faith. Paul Submitted fully to Christ. Paul was utterly and wholeheartedly obedient, meaning that we do not see any specific sin that he committed outside of his yelling at a high priest. Paul was utterly Confident in his Eternal destination, and of course, Paul Shared the True Gospel.
When I think of modeling myself after Paul, and I certainly attempt to do that, I realize that I am thus modeling myself after Christ in His humble walk to the cross. I once tried to model myself after the aggressive Christ, but after a few years of taking such a hard stance, I came to realize that this was not "the good fight." Instead, I came to realize that I MUST become more like Paul in his final letter having been written to Timothy while in Ephasus . . . 2nd Timothy. Paul was no longer harsh as he was to the Galatians and Corinthians, but he was instead empowering. Paul was building up the esteem of Timothy and preparing him to be strong and upholding of the Gospel, for Paul knew that his death soon awaited.
Paul's job was to unpack the Mysterious Plan of God, as we informed us in Ephesians chapters 2 and 3. Jesus spoke in incredibly mysterious ways, and Paul did his best to unpack them, all the while still keeping things someone a mystery. I have said that Paul was not particularly a great and clear writer, but realize that what he was wrote was by the design of God. Even Peter stated that the things that Paul wrote were not easy to understand. This is no accident! So again, Paul spent much of his time explaining the Story of God so that when we learned of his teachings, we could then apply them to the teachings of Christ, thus having a greater understanding of the things that Christ taught. For example:
John 9:39 NKJV - "And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Colossians 2:9-15, which centers on the Circumcision of Christ, this remarkable set of passages help us to understand, exactly, what John 9:39 is all about. Paul wrote about the Veil of Moses, which again, is about Spiritual Circumcision. So much of what Paul wrote about actually explains the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Holy Effect of Christ . . . and this all hinges upon Spiritual Circumcision. And, if Paul did not disclose the Mystery of Circumcision, the world would have remained just as in the dark about this matter as were the Jews (who believed that their physical circumcision was an act that saved them).
So, so much more could be written.
This is a wonderful lane of thought that you have provided for us. And, so much could be said, or written on the subject.
Here are my random, off-the-cuff thoughts.
When I think of Paul, I think of him as being perhaps the most compliant of all followers of Christ in the written New Testament. And yes, this has much to do with the fact that he wrote the majority of the NT. In all of the writings that involve him, I see an extremely pure person who held firm to all that he understood and believed. Paul's Beliefs became the foundation of what most of us understand to be our genuine Faith. Paul Submitted fully to Christ. Paul was utterly and wholeheartedly obedient, meaning that we do not see any specific sin that he committed outside of his yelling at a high priest. Paul was utterly Confident in his Eternal destination, and of course, Paul Shared the True Gospel.
When I think of modeling myself after Paul, and I certainly attempt to do that, I realize that I am thus modeling myself after Christ in His humble walk to the cross. I once tried to model myself after the aggressive Christ, but after a few years of taking such a hard stance, I came to realize that this was not "the good fight." Instead, I came to realize that I MUST become more like Paul in his final letter having been written to Timothy while in Ephasus . . . 2nd Timothy. Paul was no longer harsh as he was to the Galatians and Corinthians, but he was instead empowering. Paul was building up the esteem of Timothy and preparing him to be strong and upholding of the Gospel, for Paul knew that his death soon awaited.
Paul's job was to unpack the Mysterious Plan of God, as we informed us in Ephesians chapters 2 and 3. Jesus spoke in incredibly mysterious ways, and Paul did his best to unpack them, all the while still keeping things someone a mystery. I have said that Paul was not particularly a great and clear writer, but realize that what he was wrote was by the design of God. Even Peter stated that the things that Paul wrote were not easy to understand. This is no accident! So again, Paul spent much of his time explaining the Story of God so that when we learned of his teachings, we could then apply them to the teachings of Christ, thus having a greater understanding of the things that Christ taught. For example:
John 9:39 NKJV - "And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind."
Colossians 2:9-15, which centers on the Circumcision of Christ, this remarkable set of passages help us to understand, exactly, what John 9:39 is all about. Paul wrote about the Veil of Moses, which again, is about Spiritual Circumcision. So much of what Paul wrote about actually explains the Purpose of Christ, the Work of Christ, and the Holy Effect of Christ . . . and this all hinges upon Spiritual Circumcision. And, if Paul did not disclose the Mystery of Circumcision, the world would have remained just as in the dark about this matter as were the Jews (who believed that their physical circumcision was an act that saved them).
So, so much more could be written.