Is it better if some people were never born?

Yes, well said. Death is not the end, but a release from the bondage of sin in this mortal body. You know, I’ve learn led more about theology regarding life and death from Temporary Home by Carrie Underwood than any other sources. This sinful, fallen world is but a temporary home, into which we were banished for the rebellion of Adam and Eve. When our times are done, we go back to our Father. Many people including myself hold this view and they can make peace with death, what they really fear is not death, but DYING, the suffering, the aging, the degenerating, the death of mind before the death of body.

My thoughts are this ------the scripture is referring to Judas as you state -----Judas was a wicked man --he was a thief and a robber ----Satan had him before he betrayed Jesus ---Judas was stealing money from the Ministry purse ---God allowed the already evil Judas to be one of the 12 and he was given the task of being treasure as God already knew that he would rob the ministry of it's money ------

Someone had to be the fall for Jesus to be crucified and Judas was that man ------he was an evil man in his beginning and played right into God's plan ---- God didn't force Judas to betray Him ---Judas in his greed --and lust for money sold Jesus out and betrayed Him all on his own accord ----

This statement here Jesus says ----It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

I say ---Jesus says here that the crime Judas committed was so great and Jesus knew the anguish --- torment---shame and guilt that Judas was going to go through after he turned Jesus in and Jesus knew where Judas would end up for his eternal stay ---so Jesus is saying it would be better if he had not been born --

We all have a choice to follow Jesus and live eternally or Follow sin and die eternally ----Judas sealed his own fate

Do I think Jesus would extend his saying about not being Born to people who do not obey He -----

I think this was a one time thing Jesus said of Judas who had an evil heart and mind ---his heart and conscience was seared like with a hot iron ----he was branded in his own conscience and was beyond repenting ----

I say this cause Peter also betrayed Jesus but Peter"s heart and mind were with God and Peter repented and Jesus accepted Him back into the Sheep Fold -----Peter was so remorseful in his sinful act where Judas was not -------
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Unbelievers who refuse Jesus will have no recourse -------knowledge has nothing to do with it ---Jesus came to take all sin for all people ----Sin was your ticket to Hell ----but Jesus took all sin and so now if you reject Jesus who is the only way to have your sin removed ---your doomed to Hell ----

If one Rejects Jesus --they also Reject God The Father -----as the 2 are one and there is no recourse for the person -----Salvation is for the Here and now ----scripture says --you die once and then Judgment comes --there is no second chance -------

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We should understand, by the word and Spirit of God, what you rightly called "the depths of horror these who denied God all their lives are going to experience when facing Him".

As Paul wrote to the Corinthians:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that everyone may receive the things done in his body, according to that he has done, whether it be good or bad. KNOWING THEREFORE THE TERROR OF THE LORD, WE PERSUADE MEN; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. " (II Corinthians 5:10-11)

in my own Christian experience, which has ranged over the course of about 33 1/2 years now, I think that I can honestly say that less than 1% of the professing Christians I've met (and I've met THOUSANDS of them) have any real fear of God themselves, and therefore they don't warn others about "the terror of the Lord" either.

Anyhow, "the terror of the Lord" is definitely a motivating factor in my own witnessing to others about Christ...and in my own witnessing about Christ TO MYSELF.

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. " (Proverbs 1:7)

"Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Though a sinner does evil a hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: But it shall not be well with the wicked, neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow; because he fears not before God. " (Ecclesiastes 8:11-13)

"In the meantime, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trod one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore, whatsoever you have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which you have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom you shall fear: Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." (Luke 12:1-5)

Here's a short Christian movie (only about 32 minutes long) about professing Christians who don't believe in or preach about hell:

Our God is a Consuming Fire

This begs the question, is hitler and his non-believing victims experiencing the same afterlife?

Love and grace; you should try it.

I’m sure the lord will jidge all
Of us including Hitler , non believers and believers

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not looking good for Hitler in my opinion .

the difference in my view is believers have an atonement and accept the judgement laid out before them in the gospel non believers have rejected it

so you have believers with an atonement accepting this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And non believers rejecting the atonement and his judgement

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭


each persons judgement is left to Christs word and his appointment regarding the apostles. Just my own thought however I’m more concerned with my own appointment to appear before the judge and brothers and sisters in Christ.

A little concern is good medicine, so to speak. That said, embrace the words you shared in John 5.24 and be at peace. 🙏

Thanks you for the encouragement , I’m mostly always at peace brother I trust in his words of life and no condemnation with all my heart and soul , though in truth I’m less than perfect so I thank the Lord always and equally for atoning for my imperfections and trust also in that foundational truth of his death on our behalf

my thing is once this strikes the heart concern for my own self and brothers and sisters is inevitable and in my humble view part of the lords design to bring me into better paths for my soul and to a place where I’m willing to share scriptures like this with others

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

It surely doesn’t cancel the value and life in the atonement but also reminds us that we can’t keep living in rebellion.

it makes the gospel incredibly relevant and assures in our need to trust in Jesus and what he has done for us who believe and also said to us who hear and believe .

but again each of us have a certain amount of what we have heard and know inside some are youngsters and others are growing a bit we’re all gonna get there even though we’re all
Less than perfect

Jesus is well Able to save those who simply believe inspite of their failures is my own sure hope. My goals are high form myself , but if I ever forgot the atonement for all of us ( not just me but also my enemies ) and trusting in Christ I would be lost for sure and lead others astray back into the law requiring us to Judge each other by our sins

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