Moral Courage or Foolishness? Ukraine.

What you are forgetting is that Putin expected little or no resistance but now he is bogged down because of the deficiencies of his own side. Putin thought his victory would come within less than a week, and now it is about a month and no end in sight. If Ukraine is being devastated Putin's troops are also being decimated.

I know exactly where my freedom and salvation comes from.



I would recommend spending more time in the Word and on our knees giving credit, honour, and Glory to whom it is due.

I love you brother. I am only commenting on those video clips. I value you highly as a friend and brother. I just wish you would not feed your head with all that mush that comes out of Hollywood.

God bless you, brother.

All that was ever needed was to sit down with the Russians and talk about their concerns about having western "defensive" military capabilities installed on their borders.

So there are Christians in Russia and Christians in the Ukraine.....so they end up fighting each other??????

So there are Christians in Russia and Christians in the Ukraine.....so they end up fighting each other??????

The Bible speaks of an "apostasy" taking place in the endtimes. Throughout NT history, Christian states came into existence that later apostacized or backslid from the Christian standard. It becomes difficult to tell what a "just war" is, in these circumstances. Some say Russia is corrupt, others say Ukraine is corrupt, and yet others claim the West is corrupt. You have to use your Christian discernment to know what God would have you to support.

If you go back in history, you might look at the Crusades and conclude they were all bad. That's what most people do. But I don't believe that's correct. Some of the early Crusades may have been just, to some degree. But later on, clearly, the Crusades became a corrupt endeavor. Christians came and went spiritually, just as they do today. But you can't say that because some Christian wars were unjust that all Christian wars were unjust.

Israel had precisely this situation in the books of Kings and Chronicles. At times, the wars were just, and at other times they were not. None of this means that wars that were just should've been opted out of. On the contrary, God called Hebrew men to participate in just wars, as I already related to you. It's in the Bible, and Israel is an example for Christians in the NT era.

What makes you think there are so all christians? There are more muslims in Russia than any other european countries, actually.

If there is to be war [and I believe there will] it will be the most avoidable war in the history of mankind. All that was ever needed was to sit down with the Russians and talk about their concerns about having western "defensive" military capabilities installed on their borders.

There is no such thing as a defensive missile. This is all about NATO creep.

I don't agree except that there is sanity in what you're saying. The problem, however, has nothing to do with NATO creep. The problem has to do with Russia's autocratic control over states within its territory. It controls not by the consent of the governed, but rather, by threat of force.

If it wasn't for this aggressive, hostile nature of Russian government there would be no need for NATO. After all, even Russia is part of European commerce and tradition. They all should be compatriots, rather than hostiles.

NATO creep has to happen with every threat imposed upon E. European countries. Did NATO creep cause Russia to take over Crimea? Did NATO creep cause Russia to overpower Chechnya?

What that basically boils down to is Russian control over any independent development among its republics that prefer an alignment with the West over Russia. That isn't NATO creep--that is self-governance by republics that wish not to be oppressed and dominated by Russian authoritarianism.

There is more ways to `skin a cat.` In other words getting control is not just about arms.

Gt Britain and America used the Pound and now the dollar. (white horse crowned)
Russia uses arms. (red horse - great sword)
The EU uses their philosophy of a free market. (Black horse - great inflation)

Islam will use deception. (pale horse - death and hell)

I don't agree except that there is sanity in what you're saying. The problem, however, has nothing to do with NATO creep. The problem has to do with Russia's autocratic control over states within its territory. It controls not by the consent of the governed, but rather, by threat of force.

If it wasn't for this aggressive, hostile nature of Russian government there would be no need for NATO. After all, even Russia is part of European commerce and tradition. They all should be compatriots, rather than hostiles.

NATO creep has to happen with every threat imposed upon E. European countries. Did NATO creep cause Russia to take over Crimea? Did NATO creep cause Russia to overpower Chechnya?

What that basically boils down to is Russian control over any independent development among its republics that prefer an alignment with the West over Russia. That isn't NATO creep--that is self-governance by republics that wish not to be oppressed and dominated by Russian authoritarianism.

Hi randy.

Thank you for your detailed reply. I do understand that Christians have been involved in what they think as `just` reasons. I think of defeating the Nazis etc. However we still need to be careful for God`s word says -

`They are NOT of the world, just as I am NOT of the world.` (John 17: 16)

I think there are many ways to help others without taking up arms and killing. Self-defense or protecting others, but not just killing for that is the way of the world.

`Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war.

...Do you not know that friendship with the world (system) is enmity with God? (James 4: 1 - 4)

regards, Marilyn.

There is more ways to `skin a cat.` In other words getting control is not just about arms.

Gt Britain and America used the Pound and now the dollar. (white horse crowned)
Russia uses arms. (red horse - great sword)
The EU uses their philosophy of a free market. (Black horse - great inflation)

Islam will use deception. (pale horse - death and hell)

Everyone laughed at Putin when he said Russia created Ukraine they called it revisionist but it was actually true. The Soviet Union granted Ukraine and the other states independence with the understanding that they would not become enemies to Russia.

NATO [America] you must forgive me I mean the hawks in the Pentagon. are being totally cynical. They will fight Putin to last drop of Ukrainian blood.

Israel was called to a higher standard than the standards of the world, which are not informed by God's Law. Nevertheless, God's Law informed Israel that they had a responsibility to obey the God of heaven. And in His Law He clearly commanded the men of fighting age to advance into Canaan, a land God had given up on and felt was worthy of destruction.

We don't get to make those decisions apart from hearing from God in our conscience, apart from prayer, or consulting God. Only when we know in our hearts that the institutions defending our country is something God has called us to should we pursue a job in that. I agree--our standards must by by divine revelation, and not simply patriotism.

Israel has an EARTHLY CALLING, while we, the Body of Christ have a HEAVENLY CALLING.

That appears to be a form of dualism, in which one becomes the transient pattern, and the other becomes the eternal reality. While there is certainly some truth in that I think there is also a danger in this, if we don't properly understand it. Israel was a pattern for the future Church, but the Jewish People did not thereby cease from being called as an ethnicity and as a nation to the many-membered Church. When Israel converts to Christianity, they will take their place among the many nations in the Church.

We know also that the tabernacle was purely a temporal pattern for God's eternal dwelling in heaven. What God's eternal dwelling is I can't fathom, except that I know He dwells in us, His Church. The heavens cannot contain God's omnipresent Person, but He can indeed dwell in and among His people.

Though the tabernacle was only a transient pattern for a future reality, while it was still in play it had very real value in terms of Hebrew worship of the one true God. It was not a meaningless, symbolic worship, but a genuine worship, if only for the time. The infrastructure was designed to fit a temporary purpose until worship could be properly centered on Christ, the eternal temple of God.