Must one believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved?

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Carry_Your_Name

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Evmur said:
Flesh and blood does not reveal Christ's deity but the Father only.

I believe somebody could be saved not being certain of it but they could not be saved without it being so. I believe anybody who receives the Holy Spirit will get the revelation.
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Holy Spirit points you to the Son, the Son glorifies the Father, and the Father loves the Son that's how the Godhead works. Sadly the enemy understands that better than most Christians do. For now Satan has established his own UNholy trinity for mind control - Big Government pravda, Big Media mouthpiece and Big Tech social platforms. Big Government creates propaganda, Big Media preaches that propaganda and condemns any alternative news, and then Big Tech promotes Big Media on their front page news feed and censors any alternative news. And whatever topic you search, it will always redirect you to Big Media by its almighty algorithm.
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
Here's what the bible says about 666: 1 Kings 10:14, the only other place where this number was mentioned. Go check it out. And btw I never asked about 666 or any eschatology.
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I see the bible simply. To be saved, I should avoid the lake of fire. What is the ticket to the lake of fire, the marks.
The marks on the forehead are as per Ezekiel for those who wept for tammuz and were carted of to babylon. Those marked that were of the temple were killed.
The marks on the right hand as per Zechariah, at the anointment of Joshua after babylon when satan was at his right hand.
The thing that is new is the number. Like you said, the only reference in the bible are the shekels. The only thing with three numbers are the Godly call signs 777 in Revelation.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Just for your information, " El" means Divinity or God. " ohim" is a suffix used to denote plurality ( just like putting an "s" at the end of a noun in English). Also, in Genesis 1: 26, God says, Let us make man ".
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Arur Arur Arur
Arur la’El Ye’ho
Tamut – Arur
Arur – Mot Tamut
Arur l’Ye’ho
Arur Arur Arur

The oldest record of the Hebrew script ever found in the entire history of humanity. This transliteration speaks of Jehovah and the curse that He spoke over Israel if they failed to keep the Law.

As far as I can see easily @Evmur expressed the proper sense of where sovereign authority lies when we speak about our faith into Christ by the Holy Spirit. It is with the Father.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Just for your information, " El" means Divinity or God. " ohim" is a suffix used to denote plurality ( just like putting an "s" at the end of a noun in English). Also, in Genesis 1: 26, God says, Let us make man ".
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Thank You - and to confirm the Truth that you shared, here is more = Exodus 3:14-15

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:
‘The Lord Elohim of your fathers, Elohim of Abraham Elohim of Isaac Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you.
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
Yes, 120 countdown to the Flood, simple as that. Although mankind was so wicked in those days that they were breeding giants with watcher angels, God still gave them 120 years of mercy.
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yeah I guess
 
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Evmur said:
Flesh and blood does not reveal Christ's deity but the Father only.
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The Father and the Holy Spirit. When the Gospel is preached the Holy Spirit reveals Christ to the one who hears the true Gospel: He [the Holy Spirit] shall glorify me: for He shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. (John 16:14,15)

In this verse Christ stresses His deity in that all that belongs to the Father belongs to Christ. And this was said on the day before the crucifixion. So it is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to glorify Christ. Therefore when Christians glorify Christ as God, it is the work of the Holy Spirit. But the triune Godhead works together is all things. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all work together to draw men to Christ when the true Gospel is preached (and there are many false gospels).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
So the question remains “Must one believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved?” And the answer from Scripture is a resounding “Yes”.
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Satan will do all he can to lower Jesus, and the denominations that say Jesus is created or less then Almighty God are following satans evil teachings.
 
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Live4Him2 said:
How is someone supposed to confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus apart from knowing his name?
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You confess with your mouth what is in your heart.
If you believe in your heart that Jesus is not God Almighty you will confess this belief with your mouth.

Knowing Jesus is the key to Salvation. Knowing that Jesus is God almighty is essential to the Gospel message.

How can Jesus bridge the Gap. The gap made by sin between Man and God the Father, if Jesus is not as high as God the Father?

Jesus lowered Himself to mans depths and is able to carry us all the way to the Father. If He is lower then the Father He could not do this.
 
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Magenta said:

From Ephesians 2:4-7
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love it !!! The eyes of faith created from his word

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭
 
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TMS said:
Satan will do all he can to lower Jesus, and the denominations that say Jesus is created or less then Almighty God are following satans evil teachings.
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finally something you and i agree on.
 
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TMS said:
You confess with your mouth what is in your heart.
If you believe in your heart that Jesus is not God Almighty you will confess this belief with your mouth.

Knowing Jesus is the key to Salvation. Knowing that Jesus is God almighty is essential to the Gospel message.

How can Jesus bridge the Gap. The gap made by sin between Man and God the Father, if Jesus is not as high as God the Father?

Jesus lowered Himself to mans depths and is able to carry us all the way to the Father. If He is lower then the Father He could not do this.
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"No one comes to the Father except through Me."
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
There seem to be a large number of “Christians” today who do not believe that Jesus is God: ‘About a third of evangelicals say Jesus was a “good teacher” but was not God, according to a LifeWay Research study created for Ligonier Ministries. Also, 65 percent of evangelicals believe “Jesus is the first and greatest being created by God” a statement that goes against the Bible’s teachings.’
https://www.beliefnet.com/columnist...evangelicals-say-jesus-was-not-god-poll-shows

Also, there are at least nine “faith groups” which reject the doctrine of the Holy Trinity as held by Bible-believing Chiristians. They include Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Christadelphians, Oneness Pentecostals, Unification Church, Unity School of Christianity, Armstrongists, and Scientologists.

So the question remains “Must one believe that Jesus is God in order to be saved?” And the answer from Scripture is a resounding “Yes”.

This passage from Isaiah 45:21-23 makes it perfectly clear that it is applicable to both God and Christ: Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

We see here that our Saviour is God, and we find in the New Testament that Jesus is called “the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).

Did Jesus insist that believing in Him as God was necessary in order to be saved? Yes, He did. In John chapter 8 there is a lengthy discourse between Christ and His enemies. Jesus declared to the scribes and Pharisees that He was the Light of the world. Then He went on to say in verse 24: I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM [he], ye shall die in your sins.

The King James translators failed to translate this verse correctly. “I AM” is the name of God (Exodus 3:14) and it is capitalized in the OT. That is how it should have been translated in the New Testament and there are several times when this was not done. Also there is no “he” in that verse, and that is why it is in italics. Here is how the Greek in written in the Received Text: εἶπον οὖν ὑμῖν ὅτι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν· ἐὰν γὰρ μὴ πιστεύσητε ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ἀποθανεῖσθε ἐν ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις ὑμῶν, and it literally reads as “I said therefore to you that you will die in the sins of you. If for not you believe that I AM, you will die in the sins of you”.

We find in Exodus 3, that Jesus is called (1) the Angel of the Lord (in His pre-incarnate form), (2) the LORD (YHWH=Yahweh), (3) God, (4) the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, (5) IAM THAT I AM, and (6) I AM. Jesus chose to call Himself “I AM” therefore He also said to the Jews “Before Abraham was I AM” (John 8:58). Unless it meant exactly what it meant in Exodus, that statement would not make grammatical sense.

This goes back to the fact that (a) Jesus is “God manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim 3:16) and (b) Jesus is “the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). There could be only one sinless Substite for the sins of the whole world, and that is God as sinless Man dying on the cross of Calvary, and being made “Sin” for us. The very fact that our Saviour was named “Yehoshua” or “Yeshua” or “Yahshua” (which is “Iesous” in Greek and “Jesus” in English) proves that Jesus is God. His name means “God is our Salvation”.

So why is it that in spite of all these Scripture, people reject the deity of Christ and therefore face eternal damnation? There can only be one reason. Satan blinds the minds of people to prevent them from believing the truth, and then deceives them into believing a lie. His ultimate goal is to see the entire human race in Hell. But the light of the Gospel is given so that people will come to the Light of the world -- Jesus. Therefore God will bring many to salvation.
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Yes...and they are wrong.
What confuses many is that God can and may manifest His presence in as many multiple cases.....all at once..... as He wishes. The human mind is challenged to assemble and understand that point.

We must remind everyone that the Bible clearly says and Christ says...... Christ is God.
 
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peldom10 said:
Yes...and they are wrong.
What confuses many is that God can and may manifest His presence in as many multiple cases.....all at once..... as He wishes. The human mind is challenged to assemble and understand that point.

We must remind everyone that the Bible clearly says and Christ says...... Christ is God.
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No they are not confused. They're compromised. Core principle is compromised for worldly acceptance.
 
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LactoseIntolerant said:
Sola Scriptura is the only principle I adhere when understanding God.
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That's too bad. You claim to believe the Bible, but then you cite a man-made doctrine as the basis for that claim. That is bibliolotry.
The early church relied on the apostles and prophets for their understanding of God.
 
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PSUseagull said:
That's too bad. You claim to believe the Bible, but then you cite a man-made doctrine as the basis for that claim. That is bibliolotry.
The early church relied on the apostles and prophets for their understanding of God.
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Bibliotry? Talking about a man made doctrine...
You speak illogically and vapidly.
Clarify how the bible does not document the sayings/works of the Saints, God and Jesus?
My bet is that you are expounding catholicism of roman sort.
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
"No one comes to the Father except through Me."
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“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:27-30‬ ‭KJV‬
 
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