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Lafftur

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Salvation is PAID IN FULL. There is NOTHING left to do for Salvation except…..BELIEVE.

The Blood of Jesus Christ takes away our sin and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that we were required to obey and fulfill….IN CHRIST, “It is finished.”

We know Sin and Death entered through Adam and Eve’s rebellion to God’s Will for them.

Salvation entered through Christ the Anointed and only begotten Son of God - His obedience to God’s Will for Him and All that will….believe in Him shall be born again in Christ and live.

God seals every Believer with His Holy Spirit and we begin our journey as God’s Child…we are learning but NEVER are we not God’s Child…we are FOREVER SAVED and FOREVER HIS, amen.

DO NOT DOUBT YOUR SALVATION ANY LONGER…you are loved, you are saved in Christ ALONE…..enjoy your journey! :love:(y)
 
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I know a minister who I call the hand raiser. He preaches a "sermon", then tells the congregation to bow their heads and close their eyes. At that time I look right at him, refusing to fall for his tricks. He then says, " If anyone wants to be saved, raise your hand". Of course someone always raises their hand. He then tells them cabamy you are now saved, there is nothing else you can do cause Jesus did it all.

GET BEHIND ME Satan! You lying evil monster in Jesus name!
 

Lafftur

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During the 33 1/2 years that Jesus Christ was on this Earth, He fulfilled ALL that was written in the Law and the Prophets concerning Him....

Born of a virgin in Bethlehem; a man of sorrows; the spirit of Elijah came in John the Baptist as a voice crying in the wilderness "prepare the way of the Lord"; Jesus Christ was born in a manger as the Lamb of God; on the 8th day He was circumcised according to the Law; at the age of 12 He was found in the Temple teaching because at the age of 12 Hebrew boys were to be about their Father's business; at the age of 30 He was water baptized by John the Baptist so that He (Jesus) might fulfill ALL righteousness.....

All these fulfillments of prophecy and law were actual "works" or "acts" that were being literally recorded in the Body of Jesus Christ. He was already righteous but was recording all these righteous "works/acts" for US! He knew we could receive His Blood to take our sin away and receive His Body with ALL the righteous works fulfilled in it... it was ALL for US!

Prior to His final "Passover" with His disciples, Jesus went up to the Mount of Transfiguration where He met with Moses and Elijah so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets to determine if in His Body ALL that was written had been fulfilled.

Jesus Christ was transfigured and became full of light. He passed His examination. There was only one last "work/act" that needed to be recorded in His Body..... the shedding of His Blood being poured out and the death of His Body for us.

Well, we all know He did it!!! He truly was the Perfect Lamb of God that takes away ALL our sins and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law for us. His sacrifice was accepted because He rose from the dead!! Hallelujah!! Our Savior LIVES!!! and we shall live also in Him!!!

There are NO LONGER ANY WORKS that we must do for salvation except believe in Jesus Christ and receive all that He has done for us.

The good works we do now are NOT for our salvation but for the Kingdom of God and for rewards in Heaven and so that we are pleasing in God's sight and a blessing to others and ourselves.

We are to be filled with the Holy Spirit and learn God's ways and finish our race of faith... like Abraham, we shall die believing in the promises of God knowing that He is faithful to all that He has promised, amen. :love:(y)
 

BroTan

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Salvation is PAID IN FULL. There is NOTHING left to do for Salvation except…..BELIEVE.

The Blood of Jesus Christ takes away our sin and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that we were required to obey and fulfill….IN CHRIST, “It is finished.”

We know Sin and Death entered through Adam and Eve’s rebellion to God’s Will for them.

Salvation entered through Christ the Anointed and only begotten Son of God - His obedience to God’s Will for Him and All that will….believe in Him shall be born again in Christ and live.

God seals every Believer with His Holy Spirit and we begin our journey as God’s Child…we are learning but NEVER are we not God’s Child…we are FOREVER SAVED and FOREVER HIS, amen.

DO NOT DOUBT YOUR SALVATION ANY LONGER…you are loved, you are saved in Christ ALONE…..enjoy your journey! :love:(y)

When Paul talks about being saved, he’s speaking of the creation being save from hell fire or lake of fire. The Death that Adam cause the creation was the second death, not the first death, there would not have been a white throne judgement if we didn't have grace. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
 

Beckie

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Prior to His final "Passover" with His disciples, Jesus went up to the Mount of Transfiguration where He met with Moses and Elijah so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets to determine if in His Body ALL that was written had been fulfilled.
Where do the Scriptures say "so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets "

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
 

know1

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Salvation is PAID IN FULL. There is NOTHING left to do for Salvation except…..BELIEVE.

The Blood of Jesus Christ takes away our sin and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that we were required to obey and fulfill….IN CHRIST, “It is finished.”

We know Sin and Death entered through Adam and Eve’s rebellion to God’s Will for them.

Salvation entered through Christ the Anointed and only begotten Son of God - His obedience to God’s Will for Him and All that will….believe in Him shall be born again in Christ and live.

God seals every Believer with His Holy Spirit and we begin our journey as God’s Child…we are learning but NEVER are we not God’s Child…we are FOREVER SAVED and FOREVER HIS, amen.

DO NOT DOUBT YOUR SALVATION ANY LONGER…you are loved, you are saved in Christ ALONE…..enjoy your journey! :love:(y)
That sounds nice and all, and probably most of which is true, but it is not entirely accurate.
What I'm referring to is, "only believe", and you will be saved.
It's a bit of a misconception.
The Word of God States, we are "saved by grace through faith", and yes, it also States, "as many as believe, gave the power to become sons of God". But James says, even the demons believe and tremble. Meaning, it doesn't do a thing for them to believe only.
And even though, when someone asked Jesus, "what work must we do to do the works of God?", And Jesus replying, "this is the work of God, that ye Believe on him whom he has sent", Jesus was not stating, believe only, and that would constitute a work of God.
Both Paul and James clearly stated, one must do a corresponding work to their faith to be saved. And without said corresponding work to said faith, it's not only impossible to please God, but impossible to have salvation through faith alone, seeing it is dead being alone.
Have you ever tried to cast out a demon by simply believing it to be gone?
Remember there is only one kind of God like faith, and it works the same way in every situation, every time, without fail.
And what corresponding work might that be?
Paul said, not only do you need to believe Jesus is your personal Lord and savior, and the work on the cross is done, as you stated, but he went on to say, that one must confess with their mouth to be saved or born again. Then and only then, is salvation made, according to the writings of Paul.
Again it is written, both death and life is in the power of the tongue. No speaky no lifey.
Verbally speaking what you believe in your heart concerning Jesus being your personal Lord and savior, is the work necessary for one to be born again.
 

know1

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That sounds nice and all, and probably most of which is true, but it is not entirely accurate.
What I'm referring to is, "only believe", and you will be saved.
It's a bit of a misconception.
The Word of God States, we are "saved by grace through faith", and yes, it also States, "as many as believe, gave the power to become sons of God". But James says, even the demons believe and tremble. Meaning, it doesn't do a thing for them to believe only.
And even though, when someone asked Jesus, "what work must we do to do the works of God?", And Jesus replying, "this is the work of God, that ye Believe on him whom he has sent", Jesus was not stating, believe only, and that would constitute a work of God.
Both Paul and James clearly stated, one must do a corresponding work to their faith to be saved. And without said corresponding work to said faith, it's not only impossible to please God, but impossible to have salvation through faith alone, seeing it is dead being alone.
Have you ever tried to cast out a demon by simply believing it to be gone?
Remember there is only one kind of God like faith, and it works the same way in every situation, every time, without fail.
And what corresponding work might that be?
Paul said, not only do you need to believe Jesus is your personal Lord and savior, and the work on the cross is done, as you stated, but he went on to say, that one must confess with their mouth to be saved or born again. Then and only then, is salvation made, according to the writings of Paul.
Again it is written, both death and life is in the power of the tongue. No speaky no lifey.
Verbally speaking what you believe in your heart concerning Jesus being your personal Lord and savior, is the work necessary for one to be born again.
And because it looks like I am intermingling or mixing both faith and believing, I would like to clarify the difference between the two.
Most probably already know, faith is a noun, and to believe, is a verb.
Noun is defined as, in it's simplest form, a person, place, thing, situation or circumstance, and/or state of being.
And a verb is, basically an action word.
I'd say most people know what believing is, but haven't a clue what faith is.
How many people understand what the writer of Hebrews 11:1 says? "Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, it is the evidence of things not seen".
I'd say not too many people understand that.
Jesus put it another way. He said, "to him that has, shall be given, and he shall have more abundance, and to him that has not, even that what she thinks or believes he has, shall be taken".
What in heaven's name does that mean? It basically is saying the same thing as Hebrews 11:1, only a different way.
I ask, how can you have something you don't yet have that shall be given, and not have something you already have that shall be taken away?
That thing one either has or does not have, is the very faith the Bible speaks of.
It can be for good or evil, for blessing or cursing, and both the righteous and the wicked use it every day.
It is when you act on that faith, or thing you visualize as having or being, that God will cause it to manifest through said faith.
 

Lafftur

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That sounds nice and all, and probably most of which is true, but it is not entirely accurate.
What I'm referring to is, "only believe", and you will be saved.
It's a bit of a misconception.
The Word of God States, we are "saved by grace through faith", and yes, it also States, "as many as believe, gave the power to become sons of God". But James says, even the demons believe and tremble. Meaning, it doesn't do a thing for them to believe only.
And even though, when someone asked Jesus, "what work must we do to do the works of God?", And Jesus replying, "this is the work of God, that ye Believe on him whom he has sent", Jesus was not stating, believe only, and that would constitute a work of God.
Both Paul and James clearly stated, one must do a corresponding work to their faith to be saved. And without said corresponding work to said faith, it's not only impossible to please God, but impossible to have salvation through faith alone, seeing it is dead being alone.
Have you ever tried to cast out a demon by simply believing it to be gone?
Remember there is only one kind of God like faith, and it works the same way in every situation, every time, without fail.
And what corresponding work might that be?
Paul said, not only do you need to believe Jesus is your personal Lord and savior, and the work on the cross is done, as you stated, but he went on to say, that one must confess with their mouth to be saved or born again. Then and only then, is salvation made, according to the writings of Paul.
Again it is written, both death and life is in the power of the tongue. No speaky no lifey.
Verbally speaking what you believe in your heart concerning Jesus being your personal Lord and savior, is the work necessary for one to be born again.
No, you are wrong to say “No speaky no lifey” and that it is the work necessary for one to be born again (saved).

Jesus Christ just tells us to BELIEVE.

Consider the household of Cornelius the Gentile….. Peter was still preaching while the Holy Spirit was poured out…no one got a chance to say a word of confession of faith but, they ALL BELIEVED in their hearts by faith in hearing Peter preaching the gospel message of Jesus Christ and were saved.
 

Lafftur

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Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.


The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Acts 10:34-48 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 10:34-48&version=NIV
 

Lafftur

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When Paul talks about being saved, he’s speaking of the creation being save from hell fire or lake of fire. The Death that Adam cause the creation was the second death, not the first death, there would not have been a white throne judgement if we didn't have grace. Meaning that all the Prophets and righteous people back then, would have been in the second death.

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

No, you are wrong when you say Jesus Christ only saves me from my past sins but not my present or future sins.

True, when I sin after being saved I still repent and acknowledge my sin but I absolutely know without a doubt that God will forgive me - there is no fear of His wrath but, I am very concerned about hurting Him with my sin - that grieves me very much and I know He will correct and chasten me.

The Blood of Jesus Christ takes away all my sins and His Body imputes His Righteousness (human fulfillment of all the law required from me).

Jesus Christ seals me with the Holy Spirit and I am FOREVER His… I do not have to maintain my salvation with good works nor ever be in fear of losing it.

However, I absolutely looooove doing good works because I know it pleases God and is a blessing to others and myself- I receive great joy in doing good.
 

Lafftur

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Where do the Scriptures say "so that Jesus could be examined by the Law and the Prophets "

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Jesus Christ would speak and then say, “He that has an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying.”

Jesus Christ is The Word of God wrapped in flesh; the Bible is the written Word of God on paper.

We can listen to the Word of God and read It but, the understanding comes ONLY by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit gives us eyes to see and ears to hear God’s Word so that we will understand and have power to be a doer of the Word, not a hearer only.

While reading the Bible, I simply asked the Holy Spirit why did Jesus meet with Moses and Elijah? Why not Abraham and King David?

Then, the Holy Spirit gave me understanding that all the works recorded in Jesus Christ’s human body we’re being examined by the Law and the Prophets…..etc…. I posted everything I heard the Holy Spirit saying.

I encourage everyone to be humble and rely on the Holy Spirit for understanding of God’s Word. :love:(y)
 

know1

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No, you are wrong to say “No speaky no lifey” and that it is the work necessary for one to be born again (saved).

Jesus Christ just tells us to BELIEVE.

Consider the household of Cornelius the Gentile….. Peter was still preaching while the Holy Spirit was poured out…no one got a chance to say a word of confession of faith but, they ALL BELIEVED in their hearts by faith in hearing Peter preaching the gospel message of Jesus Christ and were saved.
You don't know if they believed only and neither does the word of God state that.
If you are correct and I am wrong, then you should be able to get things from God by simply believing for it without praying or asking God for whatever you desire or whatever you think his will is.
I repeat, there is only ONE kind of Godlike faith, as it is written, and it works as Jesus said it would in Mark 11: 22-24.
He started out by telling Peter to have the God kind of faith. He went on to say how a person can get whatever they say or pray for, if they believe what they say shall come to pass without any doubt. He never said anything about getting what you want by believing only.
You are ignoring all the promises of God that have conditions. Speaking verbally, being one of them.
Everyone who says you only need to believe, does not get anything from God.
Name one miracle God did for you by simply believing for it or that it was already done, without saying a word, without praying, without asking, or acting on said belief.
If you cannot get anything from God in the natural by simply believing without doing anything, then why would you think you or anyone else could be born again by the same said believe only mentality?
Even though it may seem like it does, the Bible does not contradict itself, because it is truth, and you can't ignore some scriptures and hold to others and expect that to be a sound doctrine, or even the truth. It's going to be incomplete, false, and wrong.
I say again, try as you might, to believe for your healing, Deliverance, or casting out a spirit, or for a loved one, and tell me how that works for you. Tell me how successful you were in getting what you believed, without any corresponding action.
It is God's spoken word that is with power, not the believing only of the heart.
Even as God did not believe the world's into existence, but did so by his word through faith, we should follow his example and do the same, seeing he is the creator of it, and has told us how it works.
 

know1

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No, you are wrong to say “No speaky no lifey” and that it is the work necessary for one to be born again (saved).

Jesus Christ just tells us to BELIEVE.

Consider the household of Cornelius the Gentile….. Peter was still preaching while the Holy Spirit was poured out…no one got a chance to say a word of confession of faith but, they ALL BELIEVED in their hearts by faith in hearing Peter preaching the gospel message of Jesus Christ and were saved.
I have neglected to say, both my wife and I have had many many miracles and answers to prayer, as well as words of faith.
I know what I'm talking about not only because of what God has revealed in his word to me, but also through many personal experiences.
Both my wife and I have had many many healings from various things as well as some deliverances. And in every instance, we had to act on our faith, basically what we were believing for, or believing what is, in order to get the results we desired.
 
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Salvation is PAID IN FULL. There is NOTHING left to do for Salvation except…..BELIEVE.

The Blood of Jesus Christ takes away our sin and His Body is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that we were required to obey and fulfill….IN CHRIST, “It is finished.”

We know Sin and Death entered through Adam and Eve’s rebellion to God’s Will for them.

Salvation entered through Christ the Anointed and only begotten Son of God - His obedience to God’s Will for Him and All that will….believe in Him shall be born again in Christ and live.

God seals every Believer with His Holy Spirit and we begin our journey as God’s Child…we are learning but NEVER are we not God’s Child…we are FOREVER SAVED and FOREVER HIS, amen.

DO NOT DOUBT YOUR SALVATION ANY LONGER…you are loved, you are saved in Christ ALONE…..enjoy your journey! :love:(y)
Amen!! (y)
 

Beckie

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Jesus Christ would speak and then say, “He that has an ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying.”

Jesus Christ is The Word of God wrapped in flesh; the Bible is the written Word of God on paper.

We can listen to the Word of God and read It but, the understanding comes ONLY by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit gives us eyes to see and ears to hear God’s Word so that we will understand and have power to be a doer of the Word, not a hearer only.

While reading the Bible, I simply asked the Holy Spirit why did Jesus meet with Moses and Elijah? Why not Abraham and King David?

Then, the Holy Spirit gave me understanding that all the works recorded in Jesus Christ’s human body we’re being examined by the Law and the Prophets…..etc…. I posted everything I heard the Holy Spirit saying.

I encourage everyone to be humble and rely on the Holy Spirit for understanding of God’s Word. :love:(y)
Posted as if anyone who does not agree is not listing to the Holy Spirit. Got it thanks for being honest.
 

Lafftur

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Posted as if anyone who does not agree is not listing to the Holy Spirit. Got it thanks for being honest.
@Beckie

Pride is easily offended and will reject Truth but, humility will not take offense and will seek Truth. Don't let Pride block you from receiving understanding of His Word from the Holy Spirit.

God is no respecter of any person. It rains on the just and the unjust.


To understand scripture all we need to do is humble ourselves, pick up our Bible, open it up, read It and ask the Holy Spirit to give us understanding.... ask the Holy Spirit questions.... listen, we will hear Him speak to us in our thoughts - we'll be amazed at all the wonderful Truths He will show us!!!

The Holy Spirit is ALWAYS present with the Word of God - people just ignore Him, neglect Him or quench and grieve Him or are not aware that He is ALWAYS present - on EVERY page of the Bible ready to give understanding to those that ask Him questions with just a simple open heart desiring to know God and understand His Word.

Meditate on Psalm 23..... The Lord is my Shepherd..... ask the Holy Spirit why did David call God his Shepherd? The Holy Spirit will answer you!! Enjoy!!! :love:(y)