Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

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BeeThePeace

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Your super close to the Kingdom but just a little off.
Never conclude that what the LORD fulfilled was a return to the law of Moses for us.

But you are SUPER ClOSE here: "Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Jesus reiterated the laws of God in his ministry. He also said, if you love me keep my commands.

Therefore, I don't see it as a return to the law of God when God's law on the tablets are now written in our hearts so that we are never far from them.

This may help with understanding Matthew 22:40
"On these two commands depend all The Written Law and The Prophets.”
https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/22-40.htm
 
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Jesus reiterated the laws of God in his ministry. He also said, if you love me keep my commands.

Therefore, I don't see it as a return to the law of God when God's law on the tablets are now written in our hearts so that we are never far from them.

This may help with understanding Matthew 22:40
"On these two commands depend all The Written Law and The Prophets.”
https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/22-40.htm
The Law of God is CHRIST
Christ did not come to keep us under the law.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Read the GOSPEL again = the TEN Commandments are fulfilled in HIM

HE did confirm all the TEN Commandments but not the way you are thinking - in the letter of the law.

Notice: i never said not to obey the Ten Commandments in any of my posts - never, not once.

Tell me, do you believe the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown sabbath is still to be obeyed as written???
 

BeeThePeace

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The Law of God is CHRIST
Christ did not come to keep us under the law.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Read the GOSPEL again = the TEN Commandments are fulfilled in HIM

HE did confirm all the TEN Commandments but not the way you are thinking - in the letter of the law.

Notice: i never said not to obey the Ten Commandments in any of my posts - never, not once.

Tell me, do you believe the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown sabbath is still to be obeyed as written???
I didnt say you stated the ten commands aren't to be obeyed.
We're not under the law of God. Rather, God's law is written in our hearts. So we are in union with God's law.

The Sabbath was made for us by God. Jesus is our Sabbath rest everyday however, that doesn't nullify honoring the gift of God's day of rest if we so choose.

Jesus exampled how Sabbath should be lived. Something the Pharisees also took issue with when Jesus and his Disciples preached,baptized, and healed on the Sabbath.

I don't accept the criticism I've read in some discussions on the net wherein it is said we are not to honor the Sabbath if we so choose.

A Christian that partakes of the day God made for them is not wrong in doing so. Jesus' disciple's honored the Sabbath, as did Paul, after Jesus returned home. I think it is wrong for us to judge among our own those who also honor Sabbath if they see fit.

There's nothing wrong with showing respect and continuing to rest and worsip God on the day A day away from the attentions we're expected to pay the world is a blessing. made for us.
 
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I didnt say you stated the ten commands aren't to be obeyed.
We're not under the law of God. Rather, God's law is written in our hearts. So we are in union with God's law.

The Sabbath was made for us by God. Jesus is our Sabbath rest everyday however, that doesn't nullify honoring the gift of God's day of rest if we so choose.

Jesus exampled how Sabbath should be lived. Something the Pharisees also took issue with when Jesus and his Disciples preached,baptized, and healed on the Sabbath.

I don't accept the criticism I've read in some discussions on the net wherein it is said we are not to honor the Sabbath if we so choose.

A Christian that partakes of the day God made for them is not wrong in doing so. Jesus' disciple's honored the Sabbath, as did Paul, after Jesus returned home. I think it is wrong for us to judge among our own those who also honor Sabbath if they see fit.

There's nothing wrong with showing respect and continuing to rest and worsip God on the day A day away from the attentions we're expected to pay the world is a blessing. made for us.
You said some Truth here and you also flip flopped back and forth here on the sabbath.
Now, just as the Scripture i posted declares - 'let no one judge you according to a feast day, new moon, sabbath etc..."

Either the 7th day, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, is still Binding on us of the law of God or something has changed.

You cannot serve the law of Moses and the law of Christ together - it is ONE or the other.

Either you follow the GOSPEL of GOD or the law of Moses.

Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”
 

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God has never changed. Ever. Nor has his Laws.
The ten commandments encompass God's Laws.
Jesus encapsulated them. Nothing has changed. Not one iota. (Not even the Sabbath, kept by Jesus and the apostles).

What Jesus did was to overcome the Law of Sin & Death, NOT the 10 commandments.
The price of SIN is DEATH. Jesus paid that price for all who would believe on him.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus that one must be "Born Again" into the Spirit.
Having been born once of water (physical birth), you must be born "AGAIN" into the spirit of God.
This was his answer as to being put back in the womb.
Jesus was saying "No, Nic! the second birth is SPIRITUAL!"

By defeating the Law of Sin and Death, we are free to follow God's commands without the fear that if we stumble, we face death.
Jesus brought LIFE to God's Law. Otherwise, all would perish.

So, if you want to get water baptized, WONDERFUL!
If you want to stand on the rooftops and praise HIS name in tongues, PRAISE ON!
None of these break God's Law.
We should all appreciate our diversity in Love and Praise for God and that we are all saved through Jesus Christ.
Amen
 

BeeThePeace

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You said some Truth here and you also flip flopped back and forth here on the sabbath.
Now, just as the Scripture i posted declares - 'let no one judge you according to a feast day, new moon, sabbath etc..."

Either the 7th day, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, is still Binding on us of the law of God or something has changed.

You cannot serve the law of Moses and the law of Christ together - it is ONE or the other.

Either you follow the GOSPEL of GOD or the law of Moses.

Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”
I did not flip-flop on the Sabbath.
 

JeffA

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Either the 7th day, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, is still Binding on us of the law of God or something has changed.
Days begin at Dawn. Already proven out many times in scripture.
The Babylonian, Pharisees, as well as the Roman Calendars begin at times other than daybreak.
On the Hebrew calendar, throughout the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT, days beginning at Dawn.
The NT opposes this in many cases because it was referring to the Pharisaic Calendar (which was being observed WRONGLY in Jesus' time).
 

BeeThePeace

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God has never changed. Ever. Nor has his Laws.
The ten commandments encompass God's Laws.
Jesus encapsulated them. Nothing has changed. Not one iota. (Not even the Sabbath, kept by Jesus and the apostles).

What Jesus did was to overcome the Law of Sin & Death, NOT the 10 commandments.
The price of SIN is DEATH. Jesus paid that price for all who would believe on him.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus that one must be "Born Again" into the Spirit.
Having been born once of water (physical birth), you must be born "AGAIN" into the spirit of God.
This was his answer as to being put back in the womb.
Jesus was saying "No, Nic! the second birth is SPIRITUAL!"

By defeating the Law of Sin and Death, we are free to follow God's commands without the fear that if we stumble, we face death.
Jesus brought LIFE to God's Law. Otherwise, all would perish.

So, if you want to get water baptized, WONDERFUL!
If you want to stand on the rooftops and praise HIS name in tongues, PRAISE ON!
None of these break God's Law.
We should all appreciate our diversity in Love and Praise for God and that we are all saved through Jesus Christ.
Amen
Amen!
 
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God has never changed. Ever. Nor has his Laws.
The ten commandments encompass God's Laws.
Jesus encapsulated them. Nothing has changed. Not one iota. (Not even the Sabbath, kept by Jesus and the apostles).

What Jesus did was to overcome the Law of Sin & Death, NOT the 10 commandments.
The price of SIN is DEATH. Jesus paid that price for all who would believe on him.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus that one must be "Born Again" into the Spirit.
Having been born once of water (physical birth), you must be born "AGAIN" into the spirit of God.
This was his answer as to being put back in the womb.
Jesus was saying "No, Nic! the second birth is SPIRITUAL!"

By defeating the Law of Sin and Death, we are free to follow God's commands without the fear that if we stumble, we face death.
Jesus brought LIFE to God's Law. Otherwise, all would perish.

So, if you want to get water baptized, WONDERFUL!
If you want to stand on the rooftops and praise HIS name in tongues, PRAISE ON!
None of these break God's Law.
We should all appreciate our diversity in Love and Praise for God and that we are all saved through Jesus Christ.
Amen
the LORD Jesus Christ fulfilled the TEN Commandments because you certainly cannot, neither myself nor ANYONE.

God is NOT against the TEN Commandments but we still are no matter how hard you try, therefore a major need for a SAVIOR.

I did not flip-flop on the Sabbath.
Days begin at Dawn. Already proven out many times in scripture.
The Babylonian, Pharisees, as well as the Roman Calendars begin at times other than daybreak.
On the Hebrew calendar, throughout the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT, days beginning at Dawn.
The NT opposes this in many cases because it was referring to the Pharisaic Calendar (which was being observed WRONGLY in Jesus' time).
i have no problem with that - no matter what sun-up or sundown you choose or believe that God established in Genesis,
do you believe that Saturday, the seventh day of the week, must be observed or you are breaking one of the TEN Commandments???
 

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Days begin at Dawn. Already proven out many times in scripture.
The Babylonian, Pharisees, as well as the Roman Calendars begin at times other than daybreak.
On the Hebrew calendar, throughout the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT, days beginning at Dawn.
The NT opposes this in many cases because it was referring to the Pharisaic Calendar (which was being observed WRONGLY in Jesus' time).
"Days begin at Dawn. Already proven out many times in scripture."
Which scriptures are those?
 
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I did not flip-flop on the Sabbath.
Yes you did and here it is your own words:

"The Sabbath was made for us by God. Jesus is our Sabbath rest everyday however, that doesn't nullify honoring the gift of God's day of rest if we so choose.

Jesus exampled how Sabbath should be lived. Something the Pharisees also took issue with when Jesus and his Disciples preached,baptized, and healed on the Sabbath.

I don't accept the criticism I've read in some discussions on the net wherein it is said we are not to honor the Sabbath if we so choose."

There is only ONE Sabbath Rest of God that we must keep or we can never be saved.

That Sabbath REST came to earth to give us REST.

All who seek to worship God on ANY day of the week is ACCEPTABLE by the FATHER becuase HIS REST is no longer a day of the week.
 

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do you believe that Saturday, the seventh day of the week, must be observed or you are breaking one of the TEN Commandments???
Yes, I do!
However, not in the strict, Pharisaic sense. They were maniacs. Still are.
We are to Honor God, Do Good, and (obviously for me) get a better understanding of what it is to Honor the Sabbath.
I also believe that if we do our best in good faith to follow the 10 commandments then death has no power over us.
This is the promise of Jesus and a testament to our faith.
 

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Yes you did and here it is your own words:

"The Sabbath was made for us by God. Jesus is our Sabbath rest everyday however, that doesn't nullify honoring the gift of God's day of rest if we so choose.

Jesus exampled how Sabbath should be lived. Something the Pharisees also took issue with when Jesus and his Disciples preached,baptized, and healed on the Sabbath.

I don't accept the criticism I've read in some discussions on the net wherein it is said we are not to honor the Sabbath if we so choose."

There is only ONE Sabbath Rest of God that we must keep or we can never be saved.

That Sabbath REST came to earth to give us REST.

All who seek to worship God on ANY day of the week is ACCEPTABLE by the FATHER becuase HIS REST is no longer a day of the week.
Thank you for excerpting my post. As i said, i did not flip-flop on the Sabbath.
 
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God has never changed. Ever. Nor has his Laws.
The ten commandments encompass God's Laws.
Jesus encapsulated them. Nothing has changed. Not one iota. (Not even the Sabbath, kept by Jesus and the apostles).

What Jesus did was to overcome the Law of Sin & Death, NOT the 10 commandments.
The price of SIN is DEATH. Jesus paid that price for all who would believe on him.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus that one must be "Born Again" into the Spirit.
Having been born once of water (physical birth), you must be born "AGAIN" into the spirit of God.
This was his answer as to being put back in the womb.
Jesus was saying "No, Nic! the second birth is SPIRITUAL!"

By defeating the Law of Sin and Death, we are free to follow God's commands without the fear that if we stumble, we face death.
Jesus brought LIFE to God's Law. Otherwise, all would perish.

So, if you want to get water baptized, WONDERFUL!
If you want to stand on the rooftops and praise HIS name in tongues, PRAISE ON!
None of these break God's Law.
We should all appreciate our diversity in Love and Praise for God and that we are all saved through Jesus Christ.
Amen
JeffA - are you a 7th Day Adventist or attend and believe the doctrines of?
Yes, I do!
However, not in the strict, Pharisaic sense. They were maniacs. Still are.
We are to Honor God, Do Good, and (obviously for me) get a better understanding of what it is to Honor the Sabbath.
I also believe that if we do our best in good faith to follow the 10 commandments then death has no power over us.
This is the promise of Jesus and a testament to our faith.
Then you are sin/unbelief, NOT because you choose to set aside Saturday as a day unto the LORD(which is GOOD) but because you seek to add to the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross by saying "one must obey Saturday sabbath".
 
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Thank you for excerpting my post. As i said, i did not flip-flop on the Sabbath.
Yeah yeah denial -i get it.

OK, JeffA believes Saturday is still the sabbath that God wants us obeying = how about you?
 

BeeThePeace

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Yes, I do!
However, not in the strict, Pharisaic sense. They were maniacs. Still are.
We are to Honor God, Do Good, and (obviously for me) get a better understanding of what it is to Honor the Sabbath.
I also believe that if we do our best in good faith to follow the 10 commandments then death has no power over us.
This is the promise of Jesus and a testament to our faith.
I don't believe we have to do our best to follow the 10 commandments in order to remain saved, death having no effect.

Nothing can take the saved in Christ from Jesus hand.
 

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JeffA - are you a 7th Day Adventist or attend and believe the doctrines of?


Then you are sin/unbelief, NOT because you choose to set aside Saturday as a day unto the LORD(which is GOOD) but because you seek to add to the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross by saying "one must obey Saturday sabbath".
Are you saying JeffA is not saved?
 
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BORN AGAIN, That's not what the Bible says.

The Bible says born of water, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Wrong.
It is pervasive in scriptures...here is an example;

Bible verses related to Born Again from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance. John 3:1-8 - There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (Read More...) John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 
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Are you saying JeffA is not saved?
Where do you guys get these wild and crazy ideas from???

i know JeffA is saved and my Brother in Christ - and i love him and you as well.

Keep our focus on our Savior and the Beautiful Salvation we have in His Blood and Resurrection.

CHRIST is the ALL in ALL - there is no OTHER

all religion is sinking sand
 

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"Days begin at Dawn. Already proven out many times in scripture."
Which scriptures are those?
Starting in Gen 1
Each day God performs work. "And then the was evening and then there was morning" and that was (each) day.
The word for "Morning" is:
Strong's Hebrew: 1242. בֹּ֫קֶר (boqer) -- morn- ing
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/1242.htm
Definition. morn- ing. NASB Translation. dawn (1), dawn* (2), day (1), daybreak (1), every morning (5), morning (195), mornings (2), soon (1), tomorrow morning (1)

This word does not mean "10 AM". It literally means "the light before the sun rises".
After the sun rises, the word used in Hebrew is "Yom" or "Yomam", which means "day or daytime".

The day of atonement is the 10Th day of the 7th month
But this 24-hr. period starts on the 9th at evening and goes through the 10th Daytime and ends at EVENING on the 10th
See, the evening before the 10th is the 9th!

Lev 23
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.

28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.

29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.

30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.

31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

do you need more? we can look in exodus about gathering manna.
Or when Moses judges the people all day, from morning until evening.

I hope this helps.