Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

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awelight

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There's only one unforgivable sin...
The real question is, once saved and baptized in the Spirit, is it even possible to reject God.

Our Father who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom and the power, and the glory,
forever and ever.

Amen.
Once one is in possession of the Holy Spirit - it would be impossible to reject God because the person so in possession, would never have thoughts of rejecting God. To do that, would require the Holy Spirit to lead one into rejection of Himself.

By the way, the translation of our Lord's model prayer for us, is a terrible translation in most Bibles. There are seven "Imperatives" (An imperative is: An emphatic request or Command.), used here in the Greek (Usually translated by the English word "Let" - when it is an emphatic request). Additionally, the translation rendered... "and lead us not into temptation" would imply that God "tempts" people and that would be a direct violation of what God has said in His Holy Word.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no man:

If I may, the following is a better translation from the Koine Greek:

Our Father, the one in the heavens;
Let your name be hallowed. (First Imperative)
Let your kingdom come. (Second Imperative)
Let your will be done; (Third Imperative)
just as [it is] in heaven also upon [the] earth.
Let us, this day, be given our daily bread. (Fourth Imperative)
Let our debts be forgiven; (Fifth Imperative)
even as we have forgiven our debtors.
Let us not be carried into temptation; (Sixth Imperative)
but let us be delivered from the evil one. (Seventh Imperative)
For yours is the Kingdom and the Power,
and the Glory, forever. Amen.
 

awelight

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When Christ cleared out the temple, do you believe anyone there was led by the Spirit?
Probably not. There were only 120 gathered together at Pentecost. 120 - after three and a half years of our Lord's teaching. Not a lot.
 

Snacks

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Let me ask you something: Do you believe in free will? When we believe in Christ as Lord and Savior, do we do that of our own free will or do you believe in irresistible grace? Irresistible grace is the only logical conclusion that comes from OSAS. Otherwise you have to say we exercise free will when we first believe but after that we lose our free will.
I believe in free will that brings forth irrevocability regarding grace and salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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Probably not. There were only 120 gathered together at Pentecost. 120 - after three and a half years of our Lord's teaching. Not a lot.
And yet, even today, the Spirit prevails :cool:
 
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Free will is an illusion... You only have 2 choices; Follow God... Or not.
 

Snacks

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Now there's a true gem of logic and clarity.
Uh oh, someone’s getting snarky. The logic is perfect in that we have free will to believe or not believe in Jesus Christ. For those of us who put our faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith instantaneously, and His blessings are irrevocable.
 

Magenta

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Free will is an illusion... You only have 2 choices; Follow God... Or not.
I would say, agree with God, or not :) I agree with God concerning my state before Him. I agree with Who He says He is is and what He says He has done, and that because of Who He is and what He has done, He is worthy of all praise and honor and glory. I agree that I am lost without Him, that I need Him more than He needs me, and yet He gave the life of His only begotten Son that I may be reconciled to Him :)
 

awelight

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So we're all a bunch of robots then?
I hope, one of these days, someone is going to put forth a good explanation for what this statement truly means:

So we're all a bunch of robots then?

How does it make one a robot? In what way are we robots? Is the robot programmed and that's it? Or does the robot have AI?
 

Snacks

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Free will is an illusion... You only have 2 choices; Follow God... Or not.
I’m not understanding your point. Free will means we have the opportunity to make a choice. What am I missing?
 

ResidentAlien

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The logic is perfect in that we have free will to believe or not believe in Jesus Christ. For those of us who put their faith in Him, we are saved by grace through faith instantaneously, and His blessings are irrevocable.
In other words we lose our free will once we're "saved."

Let me ask you this: Once we're "saved," are we free to become an unbeliever or abandon our faith?
 

awelight

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I would say, agree with God, or not :) I agree with God concerning my state before Him. I agree with Who He says He is is and what He says He has done, and that because of Who He is and what He has done, He is worthy of all praise and honor and glory. I agree that I am lost without Him, that I need Him more than He needs me, and yet He gave the life of His only begotten Son that I may be reconciled to Him :)
1Jn_4:19 We love, because he first loved us.
 

ResidentAlien

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How does it make one a robot? In what way are we robots? Is the robot programmed and that's it? Or does the robot have AI?
I don't know. It was a question which you've responded to with more questions.