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Amanuensis

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even though it could simply mean that God, foreknowing their resurrection to life, regards them as the living, though they are literally dead.
I like how Karen Jobes has explained it in her commentary on 1 Peter; Part 1

The fact that some of those to whom Christ was preached have died is therefore no basis for judging the value of the gospel. God will judge rightly. The Christian dead may have indeed been judged by human standards in this life and may have been found wanting, whether by popular opinion or by official action. Nevertheless, judged by God’s standards, they are alive in the eternal realm of the Spirit. Because this verse is sometimes used to support the possibility of conversion after death, the reasons for rejecting this interpretation deserve further consideration. The referent of “the dead” (νεκροῖς, nekrois) in 4: 6 must be informed by the use of the same term in 4: 5, where it forms half of a merism that refers to all humanity in all ages, whether physically alive at the moment or physically dead. Therefore, the understanding, ancient though it may be, that 4: 6 refers to the spiritually dead is unlikely. Hilary of Arles (ca. AD 401– 449) expresses this understanding and the possible connection to 3: 19: “The gospel is preached to the Gentiles who are dead in sin, but this may also refer to the fact that when the Lord was buried in the tomb he went to preach to those who live in hell” (Bray 2000: 113). If even ancient commentary allowed that nekrois might refer to the physically dead, it raises the question of who these dead were and specifically if they were the same beings that Christ preached to in 3: 19. Those who understand 3: 19 to be a reference to a descent into hell, where Christ preached the gospel in a postmortem offer of salvation, have construed 4: 6 to be a broadening of that principle, even though the verses have few points of contact. S. Johnson (1960) argues for this interpretation based on a rather artificially constructed chiasm and overlooks the fact that the two verses do not occur within the same discourse unit. The immediate contexts of 3: 19 and 4: 6 should take priority in informing their respective interpretations. This is especially true since the two verses are only superficially similar. In 3: 19 Christ is the one who proclaims, but in 4: 6 the verb is passive and implies that Christ is the content of the preaching. This problem has sometimes been answered by broadening the postmortem preaching to extend to preaching done by the deceased apostles. Furthermore, the verbs are not the same in both verses, for the more general verb κηρύσσω (kēryssō, proclaim) stands in 3: 19, but εὐαγγελίζομαι (euangelizomai, preach good news) is a more specific reference to preaching the gospel in 4: 6. The weightiest reason the two verses are not directly related is that the audience in 3: 19 is “the spirits” (pneumata), not “the dead” (nekrois) as in 4: 6, and the two words are not synonymous. It was the assumption that Christ descended to Hades, as stated in the Apostles’ Creed, that gave rise to the theory of postmortem conversion in 4: 6 (see comments on 3: 18– 22). Goppelt (1993: 289) is one of the few interpreters who argues that the wording of 4: 6 “suggests that proclamation of the gospel is encountered by the dead when they are dead and that their death here, as in v. 5, is literal” (emphasis added). He reads 4: 6 in the context of 3: 19 as an eschatological event where the proclamation of Christ applies not only “to the most lost but to all the dead” (1993: 289). Therefore, in his judgment both 3: 19 and 4: 6 are mythological images that should be understood “as a kerygmatic confession, without trying to objectify it as an order of salvation for the dead or as a portrayal of a Hades proclamation.”


Jobes, Karen H.. 1 Peter (Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament) (pp. 358-359). Baker Publishing Group.
 

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I like how Karen Jobes has explained it in her commentary on 1 Peter; Part 1

The fact that some of those to whom Christ was preached have died is therefore no basis for judging the value of the gospel. God will judge rightly. The Christian dead may have indeed been judged by human standards in this life and may have been found wanting, whether by popular opinion or by official action. Nevertheless, judged by God’s standards, they are alive in the eternal realm of the Spirit. Because this verse is sometimes used to support the possibility of conversion after death, the reasons for rejecting this interpretation deserve further consideration. The referent of “the dead” (νεκροῖς, nekrois) in 4: 6 must be informed by the use of the same term in 4: 5, where it forms half of a merism that refers to all humanity in all ages, whether physically alive at the moment or physically dead. Therefore, the understanding, ancient though it may be, that 4: 6 refers to the spiritually dead is unlikely. Hilary of Arles (ca. AD 401– 449) expresses this understanding and the possible connection to 3: 19: “The gospel is preached to the Gentiles who are dead in sin, but this may also refer to the fact that when the Lord was buried in the tomb he went to preach to those who live in hell” (Bray 2000: 113). If even ancient commentary allowed that nekrois might refer to the physically dead, it raises the question of who these dead were and specifically if they were the same beings that Christ preached to in 3: 19. Those who understand 3: 19 to be a reference to a descent into hell, where Christ preached the gospel in a postmortem offer of salvation, have construed 4: 6 to be a broadening of that principle, even though the verses have few points of contact. S. Johnson (1960) argues for this interpretation based on a rather artificially constructed chiasm and overlooks the fact that the two verses do not occur within the same discourse unit. The immediate contexts of 3: 19 and 4: 6 should take priority in informing their respective interpretations. This is especially true since the two verses are only superficially similar. In 3: 19 Christ is the one who proclaims, but in 4: 6 the verb is passive and implies that Christ is the content of the preaching. This problem has sometimes been answered by broadening the postmortem preaching to extend to preaching done by the deceased apostles. Furthermore, the verbs are not the same in both verses, for the more general verb κηρύσσω (kēryssō, proclaim) stands in 3: 19, but εὐαγγελίζομαι (euangelizomai, preach good news) is a more specific reference to preaching the gospel in 4: 6. The weightiest reason the two verses are not directly related is that the audience in 3: 19 is “the spirits” (pneumata), not “the dead” (nekrois) as in 4: 6, and the two words are not synonymous. It was the assumption that Christ descended to Hades, as stated in the Apostles’ Creed, that gave rise to the theory of postmortem conversion in 4: 6 (see comments on 3: 18– 22). Goppelt (1993: 289) is one of the few interpreters who argues that the wording of 4: 6 “suggests that proclamation of the gospel is encountered by the dead when they are dead and that their death here, as in v. 5, is literal” (emphasis added). He reads 4: 6 in the context of 3: 19 as an eschatological event where the proclamation of Christ applies not only “to the most lost but to all the dead” (1993: 289). Therefore, in his judgment both 3: 19 and 4: 6 are mythological images that should be understood “as a kerygmatic confession, without trying to objectify it as an order of salvation for the dead or as a portrayal of a Hades proclamation.”


Jobes, Karen H.. 1 Peter (Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament) (pp. 358-359). Baker Publishing Group.
I like how Karen Jobes has explained it in her commentary on 1 Peter; Part 2

Most contemporary interpreters no longer claim an association between 4: 6 and 3: 19 (Achtemeier 1996: 291; Bandstra 2003: 123; Dalton 1965: 42– 51; Dalton 1979; Davids 1990: 154; J. H. Elliott 2000: 730– 31; Hillyer 1992: 122; Kistemaker 1987: 163– 64; Michaels 1988: 237– 38). First Peter 4: 6 is not speaking of two groups of people, but one. The dead in 4: 6 who have been judged by human standards in the flesh are the same ones who are alive in the realm of the Spirit as judged by God’s standards, and they therefore do not need an offer of salvation. Moreover, the phrase εἰς τοῦτο γάρ (eis touto gar, for this reason) closely joins 4: 5 and 4: 6. First Peter 4: 5 claims that pagans who reject the gospel of Christ and mock Christians for living out their faith will have to answer to God, the one who judges the living and the dead. As noted above, “the dead” in 4: 6 should be understood to have the same referent as in 4: 5, for there is no syntactic or lexical marker that would suggest otherwise. Therefore, the claim of 4: 5 is that there is a judgment of God coming and that being dead does not excuse one from having to give an account for what was done before death. First Peter 4: 6 begins “for this reason,” that is, for the reason that there is a judgment coming, the gospel was preached to the dead, meaning to those who are now dead (but who heard the gospel while living, as the TNIV makes clear). The whole point of evangelism is to prepare people for the day they must give an account of themselves to their Judge.

Physical death does not exempt those who reject the gospel in this life from judgment, nor does it render the gospel ineffective for those who committed themselves to it when they heard it in this life. The gospel was preached because judgment is coming (4: 5), so that (4: 6, ἵνα, hina) people may live in the realm of the Spirit (pneumati) as judged by God’s standards, regardless of how they were judged by human standards during this life (sarki, in the flesh). This understanding of 4: 6 is consistent with Peter’s use of the terms sarki and pneumati in 3: 18 and 4: 2 to refer, respectively, to this earthly life before physical death and the life of the believer after God’s judgment. First Peter 3: 19 and 4: 6 are not referring to the same proclamation, but both nevertheless do make universal claims for Jesus Christ. In both verses Christ is presented as the victor over both present and ancient evil, who has full authority over both fallen angels and human souls. He is also presented as the basis on which God’s judgment will be carried out.

Jobes, Karen H.. 1 Peter (Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament) (pp. 358-359). Baker Publishing Group.
 

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Nonetheless, it's much more biblical and credible than "four gospels" or "all wild animals, domestic animals, birds and men" when it comes to the four living creatures.
100% agree.

There might be some allusion to dominions as that also refers to our inheritance, however the interpretations about
the four evangelists or a select 24 individuals from Jewish stock would make it mean 26 specific Jews and they sing that they are redeemed out of every tribe tongue people and nation, and therefore they are more than Jews and more than 28.

Of course all this depends on the accuracy of their song saying "us" and "we" as it says in the KJV. Other English translations change it to "people" and "them." This opens up the possibility for them to be seraphim singing about how God has redeemed people by his blood (not them specifically since they are seraphim) and I question the reason for the other English translations. Is it because they don't think that it is correct for seraphim to say you have redeemed us by your blood that they do not allow them to say "us" and "we" or is it because all the most authoritative manuscripts us the Greek for "people" and "them".

I have put this on the shelf until I get more information about the manuscripts that say "us" and "we" that the KJV used because it really does make a difference.

Rev 5:8-9 KJV

8...the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,... 9 And they sung a new song, saying,
... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth
 

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Jesus is not going to contradict what he taught about the finality of hell and he did teach a lot about it.

The statement about the Keys of death and hell needs to be analyzed to find out what it means.

I don't think there is anything about these keys that suggest that anyone in the torment part of hell with the rich man gets another chance. It would contradict other things that Jesus taught about hell. Like making sure you make things right now because then it would be too late, and other parables he spoke. He said a lot about hell. It would take a while to collect all of the verses. But we could do that.

I would want to start with the meaning of the Keys of Hell and of Death because I have heard many things, from songs by Carmen, to emotional sermons painting pictures about imagined scenarios that are not in the scriptures that people believe might have happened when Jesus was in the grave but that the bible says nothing about.

Could it be that the Keys verse has been misused to the point that it is misunderstood from what the writer of John meant when he recorded it? The wording in Revelation is similar to that in Isaiah 22.20 which is a prophesy of Jesus.
I think it helps to read it, as in all those OT prophecies alluded to in Revelation add understanding to the message in Revelation this one does too.

Isaiah 22:
20“On that day I will call for my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah.a 21I will clothe him with your robe and tie your sash around him. I will hand your authority over to him, and he will be like a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.a 22I will place the keya of the house of David on his shoulder; what he opens, no one can close; what he closes, no one can open.

Rev 3
“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens. “
Rev 1 18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus is the judge. He has the authority to cast into hell. He was given that authority by the Father. He was given the keys of David.

There is no hint anywhere that I am seeing that these Keys suggest that Jesus would contradict his previous teachings on the finality of hell. It is more like "He has the authority to cast one into hell"

Keys are in the hands of the One that has been given authority and power to lock AND UNlock.

Perhaps a study of God’s Mercy would be eye opening….:unsure::love:(y)
 

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Keys are in the hands of the One that has been given authority and power to lock AND UNlock.

Perhaps a study of God’s Mercy would be eye opening….:unsure::love:(y)
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty...
The Mercy of God always includes the Judgment of God.

17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

There is nothing in this text that supports the idea of Jesus letting someone out of hell because he has a key.

It also is offensive to the Mercy of God in that it discounts what Jesus did to deliver us from hell.

I hope you can see how second chance for people in hell is an offense to the Mercy of God?

If not, I will just pray that the Lord reveal it to you as you grow in the word of God.
 

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Why is God still searching for their names?
No. God is not "searching" for their names in the Book of Life, but reviewing the Book if Life to confirm that their names are indeed absent. Just as a human judge must carefully examine the evidence before passing a verdict, God wants the world to know that He has carefully examined the evidence as the divine Judge and pronounced a just verdict.

As to the Book of Life, since God would have all men to be saved, everyone is written in the book of life to begin with. But after they refuse to believe God and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, their names are "blotted out" or expunged.
 

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This is a actually a good verse to give to to the soul sleeper teachers. They are dead bodily but they live according to God in the spirit.
That they are alive in Christ does not negate "soul sleep."

Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that
you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died
and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.


By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until
the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
 

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I agree on the aspects of Jesus being the king of kings, the son of man and a miracle worker, but the eagle represents God's deliverance. In Rev. 12:14, Israel as the woman of apocalypse was carried by a great eagle to the sanctuary prepared by God. Back in Exodus, Moses also compared God's deliverance by parting the Red Sea as an eagle. After all, that's his name - Yeshua, salvation.
Thanks Carry_Your-Name. The eagle being a deliverer does sound better. The familiar verse about those who hope in the Lord renewing their strength and mounting up with wings as eagles could be looked at somewhat in that light. It could also be emphasizing how God raises a person up to be renewed in the spirit.
 

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100% agree.

There might be some allusion to dominions as that also refers to our inheritance, however the interpretations about
the four evangelists or a select 24 individuals from Jewish stock would make it mean 26 specific Jews and they sing that they are redeemed out of every tribe tongue people and nation, and therefore they are more than Jews and more than 28.

Of course all this depends on the accuracy of their song saying "us" and "we" as it says in the KJV. Other English translations change it to "people" and "them." This opens up the possibility for them to be seraphim singing about how God has redeemed people by his blood (not them specifically since they are seraphim) and I question the reason for the other English translations. Is it because they don't think that it is correct for seraphim to say you have redeemed us by your blood that they do not allow them to say "us" and "we" or is it because all the most authoritative manuscripts us the Greek for "people" and "them".

I have put this on the shelf until I get more information about the manuscripts that say "us" and "we" that the KJV used because it really does make a difference.

Rev 5:8-9 KJV

8...the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,... 9 And they sung a new song, saying,
... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth
I recall reading of your reluctance in relying on any talmudic school of understanding but some nonetheless offer interesting and quite possibly relevant perspectives. For example, it is within the tradition to consider the two cherubim that sat upon the mercy seat had one the face of a male and the other a female. So, in light of the common view that angels in heaven are considered neither, and the biblical witness that, in the resurrection we shall be as they are, issagelos: equal to angels, (the same root of "equal" used in the verse phrase as Jesus was accused of making Himself equal with God (John 5:18) and His not regarding equality with God as robbery (Phil 2:6)...

Well, I'm definitely taking this off the shelf and putting this on simmer until I can at least distinguish its aroma.
 

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5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Using the rule of immediate context I see that the dead in verse 5 nekrous is the the literal dead and the dead in verse 6 nekrois is also the same.
The "sense" of the context here is that of being "judged according to men in the flesh" while "living according to God in the spirit"...

If you are [being] judged as illustrated in verse 4 - "according to men in the flesh" - while - "living according to God in the spirit" - that condition/scenario is what this is talking about.

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You can be literally dead 'spiritually' just like you can be literally dead 'physically'.
 

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The "sense" of the context here is that of being "judged according to men in the flesh" while "living according to God in the spirit"...

If you are [being] judged as illustrated in verse 4 - "according to men in the flesh" - while - "living according to God in the spirit" - that condition/scenario is what this is talking about.

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You can be literally dead 'spiritually' just like you can be literally dead 'physically'.
5They will give an account to the one who stands ready to judge the living and the dead. 6For this reason the gospel was also preached to those who are now dead, so that, although they might be judged in the flesh according to human standards, they might live in the spirit according to God’s standards.

Above: The first dead is literal. The second is also. Verse 5 lets us know that those who received the Gospel while they were living though they are now dead still live and will be justified in the day God judges the quick and the dead. Men might have judged them as evil doers and criminals to Rome because they refused to bow the knee to Caesar, but God judges them as righteous and makes them live forevermore.

Peter should have said that it was "his words that were sometimes hard to understand instead of Paul's" LOL.
 

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No. God is not "searching" for their names in the Book of Life, but reviewing the Book if Life to confirm that their names are indeed absent. Just as a human judge must carefully examine the evidence before passing a verdict, God wants the world to know that He has carefully examined the evidence as the divine Judge and pronounced a just verdict.

As to the Book of Life, since God would have all men to be saved, everyone is written in the book of life to begin with. But after they refuse to believe God and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, their names are "blotted out" or expunged.
No, God is NOT “just making sure”…:rolleyes:

God is ELABORATELY showing MERCY on us!!! He loooooves us sooooo MUCH!! :love:(y)
 

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'literal' does not automatically mean 'physical'
To know the answer to how it was to be understood I would want to analyze the Greek. But I can't so I depend on experts who can.

I think that Karen Jobes has more to say about it than what I posted. #82 I would need to search the Technical commentaries that break down and discuss the Greek. Like the kind geared toward translators and those who know the Koine Greek.

I would be looking for answer like, "Is there something about the Greek word or sentence usage that is only used for physical dead" If so that would settle the issue and there would be no more question.

Can it be used for both spiritual and physical. I know that you are making a case for that with the English word but that approach is prone to error because the author did not write in English. We must analyze the Greek words used and I believe that Karen Jobe was making a case that this has been done and most scholars now know that Peter was talking about physically dead people.

I am sure she has more technical writing on it than the post I provided. My guess is that a Google search will reveal some technical Greek translation oriented papers on this from some reliable scholarly sources if one takes the time to find them.
 

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6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty...
The Mercy of God always includes the Judgment of God.

17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

There is nothing in this text that supports the idea of Jesus letting someone out of hell because he has a key.

It also is offensive to the Mercy of God in that it discounts what Jesus did to deliver us from hell.

I hope you can see how second chance for people in hell is an offense to the Mercy of God?

If not, I will just pray that the Lord reveal it to you as you grow in the word of God.
You have failed to understand God’s MERCY… knowing God is knowing His HEART. :love:(y)
 

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2 Peter and Jude have a lot to say about how God has cast some into hell to be reserved until that final judgment of the Lake of Fire. This is another of the great body of scriptures that teach a finality for these in that condition. There is not a ghost of a hint that any of them will escape that final judgment. The emphasis is all about how God is able to keep them in chains until that day of final judgment when they suffer eternal flames.

So that helps one get the mindset of a Holy God and what we should also think. We should rejoice that God is holy and that we can count on him to judge those that refuse his Mercy and especially those who persecute his preachers and prophets.

It would pollute the doctrine of mercy to remove the doctrine of eternal judgment from the concept. Any second chance in hell would dilute the Gospel message.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
All you speak of is the doctrine of judgment and condemnation and cast God’s Mercy to the side as not relevant.

How dare you! God loved us WHILE we were sinners and DIED for us!

Be silent and go and ask the Lord about His Mercy.
 

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You have failed to understand God’s MERCY… knowing God is knowing His HEART. :love:(y)
I don't know what you are saying. Do you seriously think that people who go to hell get a second chance? I really doubt that you believe that. If you are born again and have the Spirit then I am confident that you know that know one in hell gets a second chance.

I don't think that the verse about Jesus having the Keys of Hell says that anyone in Hell gets a second chance.

And pay attention to the text you mentioned about the judgment....

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hell, and all those in hell are thrown in the Lake of Fire. No one in Hell is found in the book of Life. The entire population of Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

If you imagine that some are given a second chance, you imagined it. It is not the Mercy of God you are imagining. It is your own reasoning that is faulty and a substitute version of the Mercy of God instead of the one that the Bible teaches.

Don't invent a substitute Jesus. Don't invent a substitute Mercy not taught in the bible.

We have enough of that going on today. Men marrying men and saying they believe in Jesus at the same time. A substitute Jesus they invent will not help them in the day of judgment. They will be cast into the Lake of Fire and God will have the final word on this rebellion and nonsense that people are promoting today.
 

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All you speak of is the doctrine of judgment and condemnation and cast God’s Mercy to the side as not relevant.

How dare you! God loved us WHILE we were sinners and DIED for us!

Be silent and go and ask the Lord about His Mercy.
This is immature rhetoric and does not support your idea that Jesus having the Keys of Hell means that people in hell get a second chance.
 

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I don't know what you are saying. Do you seriously think that people who go to hell get a second chance? I really doubt that you believe that. If you are born again and have the Spirit then I am confident that you know that know one in hell gets a second chance.

I don't think that the verse about Jesus having the Keys of Hell says that anyone in Hell gets a second chance.

And pay attention to the text you mentioned about the judgment....

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hell, and all those in hell are thrown in the Lake of Fire. No one in Hell is found in the book of Life. The entire population of Hell is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

If you imagine that some are given a second chance, you imagined it. It is not the Mercy of God you are imagining. It is your own reasoning that is faulty and a substitute version of the Mercy of God instead of the one that the Bible teaches.

Don't invent a substitute Jesus. Don't invent a substitute Mercy not taught in the bible.

We have enough of that going on today. Men marrying men and saying they believe in Jesus at the same time. A substitute Jesus they invent will not help them in the day of judgment. They will be cast into the Lake of Fire and God will have the final word on this rebellion and nonsense that people are promoting today.
No, you are wrong because you are relying on your own human reasoning to interpret the scriptures. Let the Holy Spirit give you eyes to see and ears to hear.

God’s MERCY and LOVE is sooooo much greater than you can imagine or comprehend…the Holy Spirit will have to give you understanding.

ONLY the anti-christ and false prophet are thrown alive in the lake of fire.

Everyone else throughout all the ages have to pass through Hell/Hades…..why?!

Because there is still a chance to be SAVED!
 

Lafftur

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This is immature rhetoric and does not support your idea that Jesus having the Keys of Hell means that people in hell get a second chance.
Oh dear, I just wanted to roll my eyes…
:rolleyes::giggle: