Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

Renouncing Christ and abandoning the faith aren't just sins, like any other sins. If you do it rashly, like Peter, and turn and repent He'll forgive. But if a person turns and walks away for 50 years and then tries to draw on an earlier "salvation" I believe they'll be sadly disappointed.

FreeGrace2 said:
But since Jesus Christ died for ALL sins, including the ones that seem to offend you the most, you just need to fully TRUST in what Jesus said about recipients of eternal life.
Do you have a verse or passage that clearly communicates this opinion of yours? That is the key.

If you are correct, then what Jesus said in John 10:28 CANNOT BE TRUE.

Are you willing to accept that?

What is my point? I prefer to just simply remain with what the Scriptures say instead of adding the man-made doctrine of OSAS. OSAS leads many to wrestle deeply with assurance of salvation, and then to think that it is their works that keep them saved.

The one believing has eternal life.
The one not believing does not have eternal life.

I challenge you to put aside your doctrinal statements and preconceived ideas and begin with the Word of God. It is very refreshing and life-giving!

OK, I get it already. You don't believe that recipients of eternal life shall never perish, even though Jesus said so.

Wow, this is confused. Those who believe the biblical teaching of eternal security (OSAS) NEVER have to"wrestle deeply (or at all) with assurance of salvation. You know why?? Because OSAS IS assurance.

And it is those who REJECT OSAS that think their works keep them saved.

This means the one "having not believed" does not have eternal life.

Because once a person believes on Christ, they POSSESS eternal life, as John 5:24 plainly says and they shall never perish, as John 10:28 plainly says.

But you are free to make up your own mind on whether to believe what Jesus said or not.

That's what I do.

Then why don't you accept the biblical teaching of eternal security? Where's the hang-up?

Because I believe deeply in Jesus and know where I stand in Him, I have complete security and assurance of salvation. Though I still at times sin, I am 100% resting in assurance and my faith in the finished atoning work of Jesus Christ.

What I have seen happen to OSAS believers around me is that when they are struggling deeply with sin, their peers will say "Oh, you were never saved to start with!". The result is that one must then maintain good works in order to think that one is saved -- that makes a miserable life!

I do accept the biblical teaching of eternal security: to all who believe in Him.

Those who believe that salvation CAN be lost don't really have any assurance, since no one know whether some circumstance will occur that tests their faith beyond their ability.

Please don't judge "OSAS" from those who are quite ignorant of the Bible. What you witnessed are Calvinists.

The result comes from the false idea that they were never saved to start with, so they lean on works to "prove" they are saved.

That is certainly no way to live.

Please DO judge OSAS on the very words of Jesus. He wasn't lying.

FreeGrace2 said:
Then why don't you accept the biblical teaching of eternal security? Where's the hang-up?
OK. Now, let's dig a little deeper.

If your faith failed, like Peter's, have you lost your salvation?

Or, if someone's faith failed and they never got back on track, did they lose salvation?

Answers to these questions will determine whether you actually do believe eternal security.

I'm not out to prove anything with scripture; scripture can be used to justify anything. I believe what I believe based on the understanding the Lord has given me. I'm not here to bash people upside the head with my Bible or to debate the scriptures endlessly.

1 John 17:2-3

People seem to think that "believing in Jesus" means you acknowledge and accept that Jesus exists then you walk away and go live your life like nothing happened. Even the demons do that! Believing in Jesus is much more than merely intellectually and mentally understanding that He exists. The OSAS camp is notorious for not understanding this, but there are occasional exceptions.

Jesus said a lot of things and we need to observe, learn, and practice all of it. Believing in Jesus is being a disciple of Jesus, trusting His directions, being obedient to His commands, and loving Him in an active, ongoing, and tangible relationship with God.

FreeGrace2 said:
Do you have a verse or passage that clearly communicates this opinion of yours? That is the key.
I think that is just a reckless statement.

So you just bypass His Word and get your "information" directly? Really? Quite a boast, it seems.

Why are you here then?

Those who believe that will have an eternity to think about how stupid they were. They have no excuse for that.

Really? How many did you poll? And where did you get that notion?

So you include loss of salvation in your handbag of heresy, I see.

I doubt anyone would disagree.

I see. You believe lifestyle is what saves you then. Just like the Pharisees did.

I prefer Paul's answer to the jailer's question. He asked what he MUST DO to be saved.

Instead of Paul telling him that he must "be a dsciple of Jesus, trusting His directions, being obedient fo His commands, and loving Him in an active, ongoing, and tangible relationship with God", Paul told him simply "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved."

I'll stay with what Paul said rather than your unbiblical opinions.

In fact, I stand with the Bereans.

Acts 17:11 - Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

The Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonicans. Why?

They received the gospel message with great eagerness! They were positive to truth.
They examined the Scriptures EVERY DAY.
They wanted to see if what Paul (Runningman) said was true.

That's what I do, like the Bereans did. And I have found that what you claim is not true.

Period.

God doesn't teach it, so NEITHER should we. It causes the EWES, the BABES IN CHRIST, the LITTLE CHILDREN to stumble and fall because WHAT is taught is a MANS CONCLUSION, not a TEACHING WHAT IS WRITTEN, USING THE WORDS WRITTEN. Lots of 'this is what it means'. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY IF'S, IF that were not a possibility? That would make it CONFUSING. We should teach and make sure the words of God are taught as instructed..


Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

AND no, OSAS is not found that way, so keep yourself from the snares of the devil and quit debating it. At least that is what I think.

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.


They just did it their way. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T OBEY GOD AND DO IT HIS WAY???


Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


Who wants to be the first one taken? NOT ME.


Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.


I believe.

LOL! I don't waste time answering "what if" questions -- I will just go back to reading Scripture and keeping my faith in my Redeemer.
What I do know is that if a person believes in Jesus' atonement - they have eternal life.
If they don't believe, they do not have eternal life.

John 3:36 ESV: He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

The key to eternal life is believing in Jesus Christ.
The key to eternal life is not works nor is it a point in time decision to believe at the new birth.

Christian assurance is quite simple: Do you believe? (Not did you believe, or did you do works)

Lot's of talk but let's look at the bottom line.

If someone believes in Jesus then they can just believe in Him then go commit genocide and then with open arms God will love them unconditionally? I mean, how can it even be said that someone who believes in Jesus then goes and commits atrocities is any different than a demon who also believes then intentionally tries to destroy the faith of someone?

Your heresy toolkit seems to include a false doctrine called Easy Believism which is itself exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught. Let's look up what Jesus says about those who don't do God's will. Do you know?

No i don't believe in OSAS
It is a trap... even Satan and the evil demons believe in Jesus and believe Jesus is God and rose from the dead to save mankind. But they are not saved.
Jesus has done everything and nothing can be done to stop Jesus from saving us, but we can choose to not be saved.
Salvation is eternally secure from Gods side but we still have a choice and need surrender our heart to Him, and have true faith.

This is a great way to create a straw man. Those who truly believe also truly repent, and turn away from their sins and idols. Indeed salvation is conditioned about repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Which means that the murderer stops murdering, and the evildoer stops doing evil. That is what happened when Saul of Tarsus became Paul the preacher of the Gospel and the missionary to the Gentiles. The Bible says repent AND BE CONVERTED that your sins may be blotted out. So all this nonsensical talk undermines the Bible truth regarding the eternal security of the believer. See Romans 8.

Those who choose not to be saved remain unsaved. And those who believe on the Lord Jesus are indeed saved (Acts 16:31).