Cherry Pickers Anonymous

If Peter didn't consider Paul's epistles to be "scripture", then why did he compare them to "the OTHER scriptures", and not just to "the scriptures"?

Standing by itself, it doesn't. However, when we compare what was said there with other internal witnesses from the New Testament, then we can certainly deduce that New Testament scriptures were widely circulated in the first century. If you do follow the link that I provided in my last response, then I think that you will see that for yourself.

In this particular instance, I would certainly agree with you. After all, Paul's primary source for his preaching was the Old Testament scriptures. That said, Paul did clearly call something from Luke's gospel "scripture" when he said the following:

I Timothy chapter 5

[17] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Here, Paul quoted two scriptures...one from Deuteronomy, and one from Luke 10:7.

In fact, Paul's quote is an exact match of part of Luke 10:7 in the underlying Greek.

My comment that follows is NOT aimed directly at you because I don't even know what your end-time beliefs are.

That said, I laugh (I really want to cry) when I hear certain people mention the word "eschatology" which literally means "a study of the LAST things or days".

https://www.etymonline.com/word/eschatology#etymonline_v_11606

eschatology (n.)

1834, from Latinized form of Greek eskhatos "last, furthest, uttermost, extreme, most remote" in time, space, degree (from PIE *eghs-ko-, suffixed form of *eghs "out;" see ex-) + -ology. In theology, the study of the four last things (death, judgment, heaven, hell).

This "eskhatos" is the same exact underlying Greek word which is translated as "last" in the following verse of scripture:

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. " (I Corinthians 15:52)

Although this Greek word literally means "LAST", multitudes of professing "Christians" believe that it's not really "the LAST trump" which perfectly coincides with the seventh or LAST trumpet of the book of Revelation.

Why?

Well, so that they can hold on to their erroneous beliefs surrounding an alleged "mid-tribulation rapture" or "pre-tribulation rapture"; neither of which is ever going to occur.

Anyhow...

OK. Nevertheless it is biblical prophecy fulfilled (in phases) to the very day.

Yes, it specifically was talking about eating meat sacrificed to idols.. but I think the main point was that mature Christians know that eating that meat would create no spiritual issues, but a newer, more immature Christian would worry about what they were eating.... just as the Jews worried that they could not eat pork, etc...
Peter was specifically taught that the old dietary laws were not binding anymore, just as the old prejudices against Gentiles were not binding anymore. Neither one is "unclean" to God, and should not be for us.

What bothered me about the original posting I referenced was the apparent flip attitude toward a Christian that might have some reservations about eating pork, or other things.. we should not just blow that off as "well, if they wonder about that, then we're in a heap of trouble, spiritually.."
That is why I referenced Paul's discussion about "weaker" brothers....

Nit picking doesn't bother me at all, brother....

sorry but thats idiotic to lift more than you can handle. Everyone knows it takes two people to lift heavy things and to use perhaps a trolley or leverage to move anything heavier
the amish choose not to use labour saving devices such as cherry pickers, and make women beasts of burden? . what has that got to do with anything.

The topic becomes interesting when we consider meat as metaphor for teachings, cultures, customs, traditions, etc.

but this isnt what people do when reading the Bible.

The entire Bible is scripture, it cannot be broken, its not DATA or RESEARCH.

Its Gods word.
It cant support an existing view or hypothesis, it just is what it is.

we are not performing science experiments and looking for a forgone conclusion on BDF. Its just people discussing the Bible, and sharing scripture that speaks to them.

Nothing wrong with that.

I wonder if anyone considers the fact that all over the internet there are people sowing disinformation on purpose to back the govt., & the media spreading the same disinformation for the sake of the elitists?
Since the NWO covers govt., business, & religion for establishing the Anti-christ system, it should come as no surprise that they have people on christian websites spreading religious disinformation to confuse christians & turn them away from the Lord.
Look up the word "sockpuppets" and you will begin to see the picture better.
BTW, fighting among yourselves is only doing what the Devil wants.

Open differing discussion is not fighting.

At times the apostles were rebuked for their ignorance.

Mark 8:14-21
And the disciples had forgotten to take bread, and did not have more than one loaf in the boat with them. And He was giving orders to them, saying, “Watch out! Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and the leaven of Herod.” And they began to discuss with one another the fact that they had no bread. And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet comprehend or understand? Do you still have your heart hardened? Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember, when I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces you picked up?” They said to Him, “Twelve.” “When I broke the seven for the four thousand, how many large baskets full of broken pieces did you pick up?” And they *said to Him, “Seven.” And He was saying to them, “Do you not yet understand?”

IDK about Cherry Pickers Anonymous.
Maybe it ought to be called Heretickers Anonymous, lol!

I do not understand this “Again, the actual context of this whole "precept upon precept" thing is that of certain Jews who sought justification via the law of Moses while falling backwards or stumbling over the stumbling stone of Christ, the very one whom Moses wrote about in the law.”


Isaiah was teaching us(Christians of today what to be watchful of) To beware of the false prophets; Verse 9. Whom shell He “God” teach knowledge? “who is able to understand it” and whom shall He make to understand doctrine? Again whose knowledge, and whose doctrine? MAN'S NO. God's. God gives you the answer and a whole lot of people do not like it. But here it is (not the gospel of The Watchman) Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breast.


Verse 10. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (The false teachers, prophets answer Isaiah mimicking the prophet as though he were teaching little children in a school This is not my work it is the notes by Dr. Bullinger)


God does not you to be taught by false prophets, teachers, pastors, etc. He does not want you get a verse here and there and then a good story about great grandma and she did things. God wants you to be trained up, to rightly divide the word of God.


There are 3 little verses in Acts that every christian should know by heart just like John 3:16.


Acts 17:10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.


The Berean's were being taught by Paul and Silas two of the best of there time and there teaching is not out done today in my opinion. These Christians more noble than those at Thessalonica, they did not go home and put the Torah on the shelf till next week. No they found time to work, daily search (not just read a few verses no they got into the meat; they wanted off the milk and the breast.), and they found time to tell others and bring them to the saving grace of Christ. This is what we are to be learning and doing. This is what I was talking about. I hope that is what is going on at your church and that people's needs are being met.

I was briefly reiterating what I said here:

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/cherry-pickers-anonymous.205846/page-6#post-4857987

Amen.

2 Corinthians 2:14-17
But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and through us reveals the fragrance of the knowledge of Him in every place. 15For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing: 16to the one an [d]aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life. And who is adequate for these things? 17For we are not like the many, [e]peddling the word of God, but as from sincerity, but as from God, we speak in Christ in the sight of God.

Heretics are the concern of the Inquisitor.

Then you have a lot to be concerned about!

The definition of cherry picking is like plucking 25 cherries from a tree with 150 big ripe cherries hanging from it and then declaring that the tree has no more cherries on it.

It sounds a lot better than But Pickers Anonymous.

Ok, if that's the official definition of cherry picking, then it can be reconciled with lanolin's definition as picking out the best cherries from those available (that support one's view, or are 'ripe') and leaving out all the others on the tree and declaring there aren't any more cherries on it (because they contradict one's view, or are not 'ripe') which would be a lie...

I still think it would be a much simpler by saying that it is claiming a bing cherry is a queen anne. Any way you put it, it is still trying to get by claiming that when it's really this. If this is that then they'd have the exact same characteristics, but if it only looks similar to that but it's really this, well then...

You either pick the ripe cherries to eat and then wait for those unripe to ripen

If anyones picking unriped cherries they probably just thinning the fruit, which is what some orchardists acrually do to get a bigger crop. By thinning, the tree will produce less fruit but it will. be bigger and juicier.

Look please dont malign the cherry pickers here. They are just doing their job of picking. They are not saying that any fruit left on the tree is not fruit ...you got to leave some for the birds.