The main reason there can never be true unity between Catholics and Christians

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BillG

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At some point the said person will shut you down when you try to converse as to why we disagree then he shuts you down.

It's I'm right your wrong not going to engage anymore
 

JohnDB

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:cry: I apologize, I do have a few friends at CC. :coffee: Thank you for reminding me. Have a blessed day!
I'm a friend...at least I like to believe that you accept me as a friend. I most certainly accept your friendship. We don't always agree on doctrines but I see them as minors instead of majors.
 

JohnDB

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Today I went and visited Andrew Jackson's home and plantation.

Which also addressed the civil war.
Yes Andrew Jackson owned slaves...but he treated some as family...especially one that had been his personal attendant. Even allowing him to have a grave next to himself and his wife.

And I think about how he considered keeping South Carolina from seceeding from the Union but then his adopted sons and grandsons fought on the side of the Confederacy. Obviously something had changed....
 

SomeDisciple

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PS~ by "they" I mean those that teach it, including the popes. Since it is unlikely every
Catholic believes what they are told, even those things they are mandated to believe.
I don't understand why people are going to a church where they are mandated to believe things they do not believe. Any insight on that? Most of the people I know that are "catholics" are culturally christian non-believers.
 

Magenta

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I don't understand why people are going to a church where they are mandated to believe things they do not
believe. Any insight on that? Most of the people I know that are "catholics" are culturally christian non-believers.
Tradition. The traditions of men. Social and cultural acceptance. Family, even.

I am currently watching a documentary on Warren Jeffs. What a wicked manipulative immoral man he was, using the Bible as his shield, no less, while he groomed young girls and pimped them out to those who were most loyal to him, all the while stifling dissent on fear of loss of salvation and social ostracization. He was not averse to ripping families apart if you disagreed with him. Families in his domain were quite extensive and complex, too. He himself had more than sixty wives. Yeah. He married his mothers after his father passed away :oops:
 

SomeDisciple

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Tradition. The traditions of men. Social and cultural acceptance. Family, even.
Right. I suppose I understand why "people" do it. But I don't think it's something believers should be doing, anyway.
 

Magenta

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Right. I suppose I understand why "people" do it. But I don't think it's something believers should be doing, anyway.
True. That is why we are to love God more than mother, father, sister, brother, etc. More than the world.

I have watched a few documentaries on Mafia personalities too. Ha, how interesting are they to put up this façade of being religious, going faithfully to church and being devout family men while being hardened criminals and even multi-murderers in some cases at the same time.
 

montana123

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It's called the Eucharist and transubstantiation. If the Jesus a Catholic trusts in is the Jesus who Catholic clerics all over the world claim to manifest in a piece of bread, they don't know the true Jesus; that is, the Jesus who was sacrificed once for all. How can there be fellowship between a false Jesus and the true One? There can no more be true unity than there can be between a Christian and Muslim who believes Jesus isn't the Son of God. One Jesus is true, the other false.

Catholics are even contradicted by their own supposed leader, Peter: "For Christ also suffered once to atone for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit,"—1 Peter 3:18

And Hebrews 10:12 says: "But He Himself, having offered one sacrifice for sins forever, He sat down at the right hand of God,"

This is a good video on the subject (21 min.)

Some people have a false interpretation of the Bible because they have a belief that is not part of the Bible and it becomes their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan ways and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

They interpret scriptures according to paganism.

When they do the Eucharist they are saying the bread and wine turn in to the body and blood of Jesus but that becomes a sacrifice and Jesus gave himself once for all and Jesus said do this in remembrance of me not as a sacrifice.

Joseph Smith, Mormon church, Scientology, Christian Science, and ones like them that are seriously wrong have a belief that is not part of the Bible and it became their foundation for interpreting scriptures.

The Catholic Church has to much falsehood to ever be compatible with Protestants.
 

Beckie

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Today I went and visited Andrew Jackson's home and plantation.

Which also addressed the civil war.
Yes Andrew Jackson owned slaves...but he treated some as family...especially one that had been his personal attendant. Even allowing him to have a grave next to himself and his wife.

And I think about how he considered keeping South Carolina from seceeding from the Union but then his adopted sons and grandsons fought on the side of the Confederacy. Obviously something had changed....
Love the old buildings ! embracing or history is important the good and the bad . I believe that is true of all nations.
 

Magenta

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I am currently watching a documentary on Warren Jeffs. What a wicked manipulative immoral man he was, using the Bible as his shield, no less, while he groomed young girls and pimped them out to those who were most loyal to him, all the while stifling dissent on fear of loss of salvation and social ostracization. He was not averse to ripping families apart if you disagreed with him. Families in his domain were quite extensive and complex, too. He himself had more than sixty wives. Yeah. He married his mothers after his father passed away:oops:
Total count was 78 at the time of his rape convictions; 24 of his wives were under age.

Warren Jeffs: supposed prophet and man of God; leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'm a friend...at least I like to believe that you accept me as a friend. I most certainly accept your friendship. We don't always agree on doctrines but I see them as minors instead of majors.
And I have that same friendship with many in my everyday life. People that attend different denominations and yet we still fellowship together. We have a large Baptist church not far from us and they have different singing groups all year round and every denomination goes there to hear the groups. No one is asked at the door which church they attend. And I can tell you we have New Year services that are just heavenly. We all in one accord pray the old year out and the new one in.
 

HeIsHere

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There are a lot more than you think. Besides Catholics, there are a growing number of people who have becoming sympathetic to Catholicism and believe there can be true unity between Catholics and Christians. My answer to them is they are as deceived as the Catholics.
I like to work on case by case not with sweeping generalizations.

If there are more Catholics on this site than there seem to be, then I think that is a good thing, but attacking their beliefs if they are devoted to the "church" probably will only make them double down. That is my view on it.

The common ground I was thinking about is when you are conversing with an individual.

So before we had no unity and now we have "false unity" so nothing has really changed.
 

SomeDisciple

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Yeah. He married his mothers after his father passed away :oops:
What is wrong with people?:sick:
I actually really wanted the marriage and family thing in my early 20's; so, I thank God I was never sucked into marrying into a cult.

 

Beckie

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Having friends in the 'real 'world who dont believe in the same God is alot different then discussing ideologies in a forum....
Praying to what some may call a saint is not Godly it is sinful as is praying to Mary.. IF i am to love a Catholic person and then not point out to them what the Scriptures say, in a forum setting , do i really love them? My RCC brother comes over for dinner i dont attack him it is not the time or place... He does not attack me. Are we in the name of LOVE to just over look LDS belief that Satan and Jesus are brothers?
Members here have done what they believe to be the right thing in pointing out what they see as my errors , goofies, sins ,etc. I hope they continue . Total acceptance with out any questions is not love it is the opposite.
 

Magenta

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What is wrong with people?:sick:
I actually really wanted the marriage and family thing in my early 20's; so, I thank God I was never sucked into marrying into a cult.
He was a sick twisted megalomaniac, and used religion to maintain his manipulative control over thousands of people.

While pretending to be holy. God on earth. Just like a pope...

The girls he bedded got younger and younger.

Some of his wives watched the rapes.

Meanwhile they all lied about it.

Every. Single. One.

:poop:
 

Eli1

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I feel like dancing when I read these topics. I dunno why.
 

Blik

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Yep, if you read my posts I agree Catholicism has error. What I don't agree with is starting threads tearing down every denomination. I have friends that are born again that have remained in the church to try and show others the truth. Let's no send everyone to hell because they attend such and such a church. That's my point.
I agree. As Christians we aim to follow Christ who is within us, and Christ tells us to resist not evil but replace it with good. It is not good to sit in judgment of others. it is trying to get the speck out of the eye of others when we all see darkly, so we could have a log in our own eye.
 

Magenta

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Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
 

Chester

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I have no "friends" at CC, learned that a long time ago. Not quite sure what you mean by your last two lines. I've been at CC a long time, perhaps not as long as you have I'll admit. I see a lot of tearing down of denominations, and I don't see how that is about to change anyone's mind or "keep them from hell". RA sees a demon around every tree and if you and he are friends, great. But I don't see how attacking people's beliefs is going to change their mind, in fact it will likely make them believe more strongly their POV. I disagree 100% with OSAS and a long time ago I started a thread here against it, I hurt a really sweet lady here and I have stayed away from that ever since. We had a mutual friend here Magenta, that was banned recently, he was here for years. You know him well. He was OSAS and though we disagreed we were always careful not to tear each other down. He would gently point out things to me, and I respected him even though I didn't quite agree with his POV.

We're not going to have a back and forth here. I disagree with some things Catholics teach. There other denominations I disagree with too. But threads attacking the way people believe will not change their minds. If you don't have an issue with RA's style Magenta that's fine, I do, and I have a right to say I do. And that's all I will say about it. I don't this does anything to change a heart, and I don't feel that that is RA's intent. That's my opinion.
Well-written and nice spirit, Kaylagirl . . .