Do you observe the Sabbath?

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I agree with many of your statements
But the way you have placed the sabbath commandment with the laws and commandments that were nailed to the cross is wrong.

Sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:7
When Adam sinned a law condemned him. He transgressed a law.
When sin did not exist there was no need for the laws that were added because of transgression. Gal 3:19

There are two laws
The moral law that defines sin and the law that was added to show us how sin was to be delt with. The result and remedy for sin.

One the one that pointed to Jesus was the teacher or shadow which was taken away when Jesus came.

No more blood offerings....

The sabbath is part of the moral law and was not taken away at the death of Jesus...
The deciple and paul kept the sabbath after the death.
And Jesus said....
Mat 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Concerning Adam and Eve, when they ate of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they developed a conscience. This conscience is a law unto itself because we all are born with it and know the difference of what is right and what is wrong. It is this conscience that condemns the whole human race. The Hebrew Law is not just the ten commandments. It is full of detailed ordinances, rules, and rituals. Jesus made it easy for us when He stated the two laws that all the other laws are based on. First, Love God and second, love everyone else. THis can only be accomplished by the Holy Spirit who fills our hearts with the same love that the Father and Son share. Action without love is worthless. When all our actions and thoughts are motivated by love, we are obeying the Spirit of the Law. As Gentiles, we are not obligated to follow the old testament Hebrew rules, laws, rituals, and customs.

Keeping the Sabbath is a commandment for the Jews to commemorate God's creation and when He stopped to observe HIs creation in History. It was given to the Jews to follow so that at the time of Jesus Christ keeping the Sabbath would be an issue in condemning Christ.
When Christ died on the cross, the veil to the Holy of Holies was rent. That means that we now have direct access to God our Father. In John 4: 20-24 the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if men ought to worship on that mountain or in Jerusalem. Jesus reply was that the time will come when true worshipers will worship in neither place but will worship in Spirit and in Truth. You can worship together in one place or you can worship at home alone or with family members and friends. Every day is the Lords and should be included in our lives.
That is why Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
 

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Are you teaching that it is okay to break this sabbath commandment?
Is it OK that you don't keep the new moon festival or assemble at Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles?

The law is the law - one law, given to Israel, a covenant that is called "old"
Not one jot or tittle - or do you pick and choose the jots and the tittles?

I am teaching that we have died with Christ, and having died, the law has no more jurisdiction over us. None.
That is salvation. See Romans 1-8
 

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Concerning Adam and Eve, when they ate of the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they developed a conscience. This conscience is a law unto itself because we all are born with it and know the difference of what is right and what is wrong. It is this conscience that condemns the whole human race. The Hebrew Law is not just the ten commandments. It is full of detailed ordinances, rules, and rituals. Jesus made it easy for us when He stated the two laws that all the other laws are based on. First, Love God and second, love everyone else. THis can only be accomplished by the Holy Spirit who fills our hearts with the same love that the Father and Son share. Action without love is worthless. When all our actions and thoughts are motivated by love, we are obeying the Spirit of the Law. As Gentiles, we are not obligated to follow the old testament Hebrew rules, laws, rituals, and customs.

Keeping the Sabbath is a commandment for the Jews to commemorate God's creation and when He stopped to observe HIs creation in History. It was given to the Jews to follow so that at the time of Jesus Christ keeping the Sabbath would be an issue in condemning Christ.
When Christ died on the cross, the veil to the Holy of Holies was rent. That means that we now have direct access to God our Father. In John 4: 20-24 the Samaritan woman asks Jesus if men ought to worship on that mountain or in Jerusalem. Jesus reply was that the time will come when true worshipers will worship in neither place but will worship in Spirit and in Truth. You can worship together in one place or you can worship at home alone or with family members and friends. Every day is the Lords and should be included in our lives.
That is why Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath.
Love is the basis for the law.
Sin is the transgression of the law. Adam sinned so there was a law that adam transgressed.
Many say the sabbath is only for the Jews but the sabbath was made for man at creation and was sanctified before Adam sinned.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jas 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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but the sabbath was made for man at creation and was sanctified before Adam sinned.
Do you have the scripture that supports that idea you proposed, that Adam was given the law?

Not a law but the law that Moses received at Mt Sinai.
 

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Paul makes it plan that the laws that were added because of sin, and that pointed to Jesus, were nailed to the cross. The laws that define sin do not change. No laws can save us but we are not to transgress the moral laws because of the grace of Jesus.
If you love Jesus you love to obey Him.
Keeping the law is a delight.
 

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Do you have the scripture that supports that idea you proposed, that Adam was given the law?

Not a law but the law that Moses received at Mt Sinai.
Gen 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God sanctified it = set it aside for holy use.

It was made holy from creation. It was not unsanctified.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

When was it made?
At creation
 

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Gen 2: 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

God sanctified it = set it aside for holy use.

It was made holy from creation. It was not unsanctified.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

When was it made?
At creation
When was the Sabbath day given to Israel?

I cannot see in the two verses you provided any evidence, that a Sabbath law was given to mankind.

I need the verse that specifies the command from God to the Gentile nations, regarding observance of the Sabbath.

We cannot infer that a command was given, it must be in black and white.
 

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Paul makes it plan that the laws that were added because of sin, and that pointed to Jesus, were nailed to the cross. The laws that define sin do not change. No laws can save us but we are not to transgress the moral laws because of the grace of Jesus.
If you love Jesus you love to obey Him.
Keeping the law is a delight.
All the law grants is the knowledge of sin, that's it, nothing else.

Obeying the law cannot deliver any righteousness to you. Rather the law condemns you and rightly so.

The law exists for the unrighteous, murderers, adulterers, thieves, liars, etc.

We are under grace not under a moral law.
 

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Paul makes it plan that the laws that were added because of sin, and that pointed to Jesus, were nailed to the cross.
Paul clearly includes the 10 commandments when he says "the law" -- see Romans 7:7

there is zero indication anywhere in the NT that any time anyone mentions "the law" they are only talking about certain jots and tittles but not other ones.
Paul in fact includes Genesis under the term "
the law" -- see Galatians 4:21-31
 

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Rather the law condemns you and rightly so.
yes

this is the purpose of the law. not to produce righteousness, but to convict of sin, in order to propel us to seek mercy; to seek righteousness; to seek Christ - to desire salvation and know it can only be a gift of God, who gives us Life

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Just curious if anyone observes the Sabbath. It seems like some people do and some people don’t, citing a variety of reasons.

Are there any clear commands to observe a Sabbath rest on the seventh day of the week? Which verses? I ask because I see there are clear commands to observe some of the 10 commandments, but I can’t find anything about Jesus or one of the apostles commanding anyone to keep the Sabbath.

Personally I don’t observe Sabbath day of rest as of right now, but I’ve considered it and I’m not opposed to it.

Also, if you keep the Sabbath, what do you do and don’t do on your Sabbath day of rest?
I began to observe the eternal sabbath rest of the Lord when I found out that He rose from the dead, and ascended to the throne of glory where I'm now sitting with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 1:20, 2:6).
 

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I began to observe the eternal sabbath rest of the Lord when I found out that He rose from the dead, and ascended to the throne of glory where I'm now sitting with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 1:20, 2:6).
He did not rise on the Sabbath., He rose overnight after the Sabbath ended at sundown.
 

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I began to observe the eternal sabbath rest of the Lord when I found out that He rose from the dead, and ascended to the throne of glory where I'm now sitting with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 1:20, 2:6).
Hi chess-player, welcome to CC, enjoy your stay, Walter and Debbie
 

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He did not rise on the Sabbath., He rose overnight after the Sabbath ended at sundown.
I never said He did. I said that His rising from the dead is the eternal sabbath for all believers.
 
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I began to observe the eternal sabbath rest of the Lord when I found out that He rose from the dead, and ascended to the throne of glory where I'm now sitting with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 1:20, 2:6).
Welcome to CC and may God bless you.
 

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My church observes the Sabbath on Sunday. I met a couple of Zionists that told me it was Saturday. jI dont know what to believe. Even observing it on a Sunday, theres not much rest. Its usually taken up with organizing for Monday or cleaning.
 

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it is written: The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.