The war in heaven

Reading the bible we come across an event that occurs in heaven it is a war between angels, one third of the angels who follow or side with Satan, against the other two thirds of angels who are led by Michael.

This event has resulted in numerous and various explanations to the extent that for the non-bible literate you could understand how they can come up with theories like there is more than one war, for the timing is thrown around at all sorts of various times, like before creation, before the flood, before the cross, in the tribulation period and so forth. Yet im sure some may disagree but scripture seems to only explain one event, one war.

I’ve been reading another thread about Gen 6 and the sons of God marrying the daughters of men.

Coincidentally I’ve also been reading about the demoniac that the Lord encountered.

Here we have two examples of supposed fallen angels, yet one account is ambiguous to the veracity of the group being fallen angels. Which I don’t have a problem with it just means we need to test the view against scripture. When reading of an account of fallen angels it is logical to assume the war has happened in close proximity to the event as the war is associated with sin and rebellion and a casting down to earth.

So logically in Genesis ch 6 if the sons of God are the fallen angels then it is also logical to assume the war in heaven has also recently happened, also if I read of the accounts in the New testament of fallen angels for instance the Demoniac then logically if they are the fallen angels then it’s logical to assume the war in heaven has recently happened.

To me when I see the activity of fallen angels then I can ascertain and use my logic to decide what the truth is in regards to the timing of the war. We have two accounts and one is definitely referring to fallen angels in the New Testament and one is just a possibility in the Genesis account as there are other possibilities to whom the sons of God are, and if there is only one war in heaven then one of these accounts may not be talking about fallen angels because there appears to be only one war in heaven.

Luckily for me I don’t have to rely solely on my flawed human logic, for scripture always seems to give us lots more information that can verify or refute our viewpoints, it means I have to change my view point every now and again but hey! That’s what I love about bible study.

The war spoken of in Revelation chapter 12 is yet future.

In fact, when it occurs, it will be a fulfillment of what Daniel prophesied here:

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." (Daniel 12:1)

Michael's standing up against Satan and his angels will result in "a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time" or in what we normally refer to as "the great tribulation".

Turning to Revelation chapter 12, we read:

[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This war, when it comes, will result in the devil coming down while having great wrath BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT HIS TIME IS SHORT.

In what I cited here, we're given this exact timeframe twice:

1. A thousand two hundred and threescore days or 3 1/2 years according to the Biblical calendar.
2. A time (1 year), and times (2 years), and half a time (1/2 a year) or 3 1/2 years.

In other words, this war will take place at the midway point of Daniel's 70th week (Daniel chapter 9), and, again, it will usher in what is commonly known as "the great tribulation".

My understanding is very similar to post #2. However, I would point out that recent developments have certainly pushed the timeline forward. You should read my posts on the 9th of Av in my blog -- https://christianchat.com/blogs/summary-of-bible-references-on-the-rapture.197802/page-265 There are about 10-11 posts so far on this topic and to be fair, probably close to 15.

It seems that CERN has caused a rupture to the protective covering of the earth, similar to the breach of the wall around Jerusalem on the 17th of Tammuz, this is what some of the latest prophecies are saying, I posted links to those, this begins a 3 week period of mourning and fasting that ends on the 9th of Av when the previous two temples were removed (some are saying that this will be when the church, the temple of God, will be removed -- weekend of Aug 6-7.

Thanks for the verses, for me it creates more questions than answers. I dont read Rev 12 in a strictly chronological pattern, Although I agree with the time frame you have given here, except I see it in regard to the woman not the dragon in the tribulation period.



[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

In regards to my OP the fact that fallen angels seem to be prominent throughout the Lords first coming still points to the fact that angels seem to have already been thrown out of their heavenly home.

Also I see the casting out of angels in these verses as giving us the timing of the war.

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Obviously I see the the event of Satan throwing a third of the angels to earth and Michael and his angels casting out Satan and his angels as one and the same event. To me we are seeing two sides of the same coin, One third of the angels sided with Satan in rejecting the Christ(or mankind, however you view it) and two thirds of the angels standing up and prevailing against them in heaven.

Scripture sure has a habit of doing this how many times have I heard Did God Harden Pharaohs heart or did Pharaoh harden his own heart, the answer I think is both God gives two different views of looking at it through scripture to get a complete picture.

By all means please explain if you have two distinct castings to the earth and how you see them, thanks

Hi ZNP, Im newish here didn't even realise there was a blog section, you have a lot of material there

Mind if I ask what CERN stands for? Ive only had time to briefly skim some of what you've written, I guess I see the breach in the last days to come from below not above would be my first point of Interest.

CERN stands for french: Conseil européen pour la recherche nucléaire

In English it is the European Council for Nuclear Research. The Large Hadron Collider is there. We have other smaller colliders in the US and Antarctica. They cranked it back up to full power about a week or two ago.

According to one prophecy this is the shaking of the powers of heaven.

Another prophecy describes what they have been doing with these colliders as putting cracks in the door that seals the pit, and this most recent events with the collider will not only open the pit but also bring up things from hell. Apparently graphene and black goo both come from this.

This last prophecy describes a protective wall around the Earth being breached, similar to the walls around Jerusalem being breached.

There is a very good possibility that it is no longer future, but may have already occurred recently.

The Bible says that Satan and his (evil) angels are cast down to earth after they are cast out of the atmospheric heaven (not God's Heaven). Now if they have been cast down to earth, we should be seeing a whole new level of evil on earth right now. And that is exactly what the world has seen since 2020.

Beginning with the COVID Scamdemic/Plandemic, and continuing with the Great Reset (Satan's Agenda) and Build Back Better (meaning Destroy Everyone and Everything), we have the globalist tyrants trying to shut down the world with all kinds of shenanigans and shortages (including essentials like food and gasoline), while establishing tyrannies in every country (including the LGBTQ and transgender tyrannies). The world has never seen anything like the evil that is being perpetrated today. Lawlessness has become the norm in Western countries, and criminals are being coddled while law-abiding citizens languish in gulags.

The beautiful island of Sri Lanka has totally collapsed under its Marxist government. America is on the verge of total collapse under Biden. The Democrat mayor of Washington DC is calling for the National Guard to deal with illegal immigrants in the capital! The city of Hanover in Germany has shut off hot water in public buildings because they have an energy crisis (of their own making). Now if demons are not running the show, how can all these things be explained?

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding Proverbs 9:10

Love, Walter and Debbie

Evidence that something really weird has happened.


You have to see the full six minutes, but if you do it will be something you have never seen before.

“To me when I see the activity of fallen angels then I can ascertain and use my logic to decide what the truth is in regards to the timing of the war.


Is there ever a time in the Bible when all of the sudden out of nowhere , we start reading about demonic possession and evil spirits among the people causing havoc ?

and was there a time Satan was on earth trying to destroy the son of man Jesus before he was taken to the throne in heaven ?

“And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in the gospel the devil tries to destroy Jesus when he’s an infant through Herod , the. He tries to tempt and deceive Jesus after Jesus is annointed to preach the gospel , the. We see the law keepers constantly accusing and condemning Jesus trying to condemn him to death by the law those who Jesus calls “ the devils children “

finally Jesus is out through the test of the cross never yielding to the devil and then he’s taken up to heaven to the throne where he is the king over all creation

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

the earth began in Daniels time whe. Babylon overtook Jerusalem and when Jesus came with the his kingdom and entered heaven the devil and his angels were now barred from heaven ( like men were barred from Eden ) and they are cast into earth to make ware with the remnant of the seed the brethren produced by this kingdom

the gospel is when he tried to derail th plan of salvstion , because of that th y we’re cast out of heaven because they tried to stop the salvation of mankind by destroying Jesus before he could accomplish what he did

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:7-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


see in heaven Christs kingdom is already established his rule and reign is already come but at the same time earth is at earth with the devil

sort of we’re in This boat


“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭

see we’re the inhabitants of the earth that are being warned now

“Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

but those who have lives and died they are in The kingdom of heaven

I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in the”


That’s Happening simultaneously heaven has inhabitants who once lived on earth , d earth has constant inhabitants through generations there’s always new inhaboters of earth who pass through and enter the next place

we the church on earth while we’re here are in a war

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s why The apostles doctrine is what it is

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just after Jesus was taken into heaven after his resurrection is when that war occurred the results were Satan in earth earring against the church trying to keep them from inheriting the kingdom he lost

Have you ever been led to wonder why God not only let Lucifer and a third of the angels live after they waged war against him?

But also let's them return to heaven to confer with God from time to time?

That's when they're not here on Earth plaguing humans because God let Lucifer to be lord here. In the domain where people are in essence born to be more like Satan,fallen nature, unless and until God's Elect, as planned by God before the creation of the world, are called to be saved from that fallen human God given nature.


It's a curious thing if you maybe think about it.

Satan plays a very important role. He provides a valuable contrast to Jesus which makes Jesus' glory shine even brighter. He was instrumental in the crucifixion of Jesus which revealed the exceeding greatness of His power. His lies and deceit train the children of God to be overcomers so that we can rule and reign in the future. Also, he is a cautionary tale, all praise and honor should be to God, when you want praise and honor for yourself it will corrupt, corrode and destroy you.

Our Lord fought a heavenly war against spiritual wickedness in high places and won. There are many passages that show how we're in that war now. When our great Savior returns, the war is over

we can envision some great battle in the Heavens, but let's face it, how much can a creation actually do to the Creator? surely the War was God Spoke and the War ended.

Why was there sinful nature in angels in heaven?

Amen!

Satan must have been casted out of Heaven before creation, because we see Him deceiving Eve in the Garden, yes?

Because God gave Santa a choice.

Like us, He was not a robot.

free will

Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Mk.15:19

...unto crucifixion.

the horror.

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