Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161

shittim

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The only thing that is guiding you and your counterparts, are your vein imaginations. But you can't see that. You've been given over to your own folly. Anyway, I shall put you on ignore so there's no further exchange between us. "Leave them alone".

please place me on ignore as well, CC is so much improved when some do not post.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Sadly many get paid for pushing this. Also government push to keep their business open. I sadly would say after being in healthcare over 14 yr.s altogether I have only met a few Dr.'s that are not selling their soul for money. They are retired now.
I had one Dr. years back keep trying to push a medication to a higher dose on my son who is autistic. Even after I told him a smaller dose was making him feel depressed and suicidal . He goes "Oh he needs more!" . He was never suicidal or depressed before it. Found out he was charging medicade for a full hr. for each patient coming in. We weren't even there 15 min. It was behavioral issues and he was pushing the new wonder drug. Later on got in trouble for all the deceit . They do the same in Nursing Homes push med.s .All about money. The government's pushing control and these Dr.s sadly are making alot of money from complying.
Prayers Willow!
 

Inquisitor

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Nobody does! That's the point I'm getting at, because it takes time to see and observe the long term effects it has on the body. 10 years to be exact. We also don't need vaccines for immunity because immunity is already built into our systems. Herd immunity has been proven for years.
We have no herd immunity for the common cold or the flu. What makes you think that the herd will develop immunity to Covid-19?

Medical experts claim that any immunity to Covid-19 wears off in a month or two.

The death toll from the Spanish flu in 1918, killed people in the USA and Europe. The estimate of the death toll was 20 to 100 million people. The first recorded case was in Kansas, USA. Influenza, Covid, can be very dangerous viruses, not something to take lightly.

The problem with the Covid-19 virus is that it is constantly mutating. Any immunity you may develop against one strain is useless against the next strain of the virus.

What concerns me the most is the term, 'brain fog', which is a symptom of Covid-19. That brain fog is caused by damage to brain tissue from Covid-19. So if you had issues remembering things before you caught Covid, your going to have bigger issues remembering things after you contracted Covid.

I fully understand people have concerns about a range of issues with Covid-19. But the health threat from Covid-19 is very serious for anyone older than fifty.

People will die from Covid, people will die from vaccines, it's all about the numbers.

1) How many die from Covid-19 that are unvaccinated?

2) How many die from the vaccine?
 

Inquisitor

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There's a lot of harmful ingredients in the cocktail that has been discovered since researchers have gotten hold of various vials from each manufacturer.

I've been trying to figure out why people are convinced too. I heard the term confirmation bias. People are initially convinced and rather than change their minds, they tend to go with sources that support their decisions. That's how mother's can cause autism in their child with a childhood shot and go back for boosters. It's insanity IMHO.
I think People agree to take it because they trust the sources that they exposed themselves to over the years too. Big pharma spends billions on propaganda because they know that it convinced the general public in large part. Most health care workers and politicians push it because they are paid enough to get them to follow orders.
The politicians don't know anything about Covid-19 or vaccines. The politicians in many countries simply followed the advice of the medical experts. What else could they do?

The medical world is wealthy and powerful. Yet medicine has made tremendous strides in curing many illnesses, that killed people in the past.

Are you overweight or obese?

You can go to the doctor and get some very good advice about diet and exercise. Then like most of the population, you can ignore that advice and have a heart attack. Then when you end up in hospital you can utter those immortal words, see below.

Why is this happening to me?

I never thought this would happen to me?

Do you have any idea how many times that medical staff have heard those lines from patients?

When it comes to health, we are the single greatest threat to our own health.
 

ZNP

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We have no herd immunity for the common cold or the flu. What makes you think that the herd will develop immunity to Covid-19?
This question came up when they first started mandating the vaccines saying they had no idea how long the natural immunity of those who recover from Covid19 would last. That was true but they also had no idea how long the immunity from the vaccine would last. But still it was a valid question, so I looked at the Worldometer data and was surprised to learn that two of the countries that had the lowest impact from the pandemic which originated out of China were Taiwan and Vietnam. These are two countries that I would have expected to be hit first. I lived in Taiwan for years and there are many, many people who fly back and forth to China for business reasons. However, these two countries were hit hard by SARS over ten years prior to this. Since Covid19 is very similar to SARS I have hypothesized that the immunity that people who recovered from SARS had is reducing the impact from Covid19 over ten years later. That tells me that natural immunity is durable and effective.

Medical experts claim that any immunity to Covid-19 wears off in a month or two.
This is actually a very powerful point that condemns the vaccine. We know that this kind of virus mutates at such an incredible rate there is no point in making a vaccine. This is why there is no vaccine for the common cold. Creating a vaccine for Covid19 never had any chance of conferring herd immunity even though that was given as a selling point. I feel quite certain that the real experts knew this but at the same time they might have still thought the vaccine would be helpful, I am not attacking their motive just yet. The problem with vaccinating everyone is that you create an environment that favors the strains that bypass any immunity from the vaccine. This may not have been obvious to "all" the experts, but again, I am certain that the real, real experts knew this would be the case. Perhaps if you could vaccinate 7 billion people in one weekend the vaccine would be beneficial, but barring that scenario, which is patently absurd, the only motivation for pushing this vaccine is that you would make money and in a few months be able to sell another and another. By comparison natural immunity is not to simply one portion of the virus so it is "more durable". It is much harder for a mutation to bypass that immunity.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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We have no herd immunity for the common cold or the flu. What makes you think that the herd will develop immunity to Covid-19?

Medical experts claim that any immunity to Covid-19 wears off in a month or two.

The death toll from the Spanish flu in 1918, killed people in the USA and Europe. The estimate of the death toll was 20 to 100 million people. The first recorded case was in Kansas, USA. Influenza, Covid, can be very dangerous viruses, not something to take lightly.

The problem with the Covid-19 virus is that it is constantly mutating. Any immunity you may develop against one strain is useless against the next strain of the virus.

What concerns me the most is the term, 'brain fog', which is a symptom of Covid-19. That brain fog is caused by damage to brain tissue from Covid-19. So if you had issues remembering things before you caught Covid, your going to have bigger issues remembering things after you contracted Covid.

I fully understand people have concerns about a range of issues with Covid-19. But the health threat from Covid-19 is very serious for anyone older than fifty.

People will die from Covid, people will die from vaccines, it's all about the numbers.

1) How many die from Covid-19 that are unvaccinated?

2) How many die from the vaccine?
Then thank God I don't blindly follow these experts because they're wrong. How many people were able to develop antibodies without the vaccine? Plenty. How many would have been able to develop antibodies without taking the vaccine, except they were deceived by fear mongering into taking them? Guess we'll never know will we?

As far as mutations concerned, how do we know for sure that we are receiving the right vaccine for the flu? Those viruses mutate as well. So I guess we are just playing the guessing game, aren't we? While these pharmaceutical companies are getting rich.

Bill Gates had a 20 to 1 investment in his money making scheme. Invested 10 billion and was able to come out with 200 billion in return. He said this in an interview.....
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Then thank God I don't blindly follow these experts because they're wrong. How many people were able to develop antibodies without the vaccine? Plenty. How many would have been able to develop antibodies without taking the vaccine, except they were deceived by fear mongering into taking them? Guess we'll never know will we?

As far as mutations concerned, how do we know for sure that we are receiving the right vaccine for the flu? Those viruses mutate as well. So I guess we are just playing the guessing game, aren't we? While these pharmaceutical companies are getting rich.

Bill Gates had a 20 to 1 investment in his money making scheme. Invested 10 billion and was able to come out with 200 billion in return. He said this in an interview.....
Mini Documentary of Bill Gates
https://www.bitchute.com/video/q95DngNF2jsJ/
 

Handyman62

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Well that was years back . I prayed for God's wisdom on what to do, because he had alot of issues concentrating . He is very high functioning. God laid it on my heart to change up his diet etc. So he then only took vitamins. He is 32 now and works at walmart . He is not on any medications. He can be a little hyper at times. But better then someone on too many med.s who cannot function. These Dr.s have alot of blood on their hands.
They absolutely do. Most have sold their medical practice to the drug companies. I have many undiagnosed medical problems and my experience as a patient at their hands has been terrible. Most Doctors follow the same pattern. Do a few basic test and if nothing stands out throw a bunch of off label drugs big pharma recommends for the symptoms and call it a day.
Most are either to lazy or incompetent to be bothered with actually doing any research on the symptoms when basic test are inconclusive. Even when the cause is obvious to many misdiagnose it. Been there more than once.
I suffered for 15 years from a ruptured disc in my neck. I suffered additional discomfort from all the drugs that were thrown at me. The pain had gotten so bad I attempted suicide and then I finally got a referral to one of the best spinal Surgeons in the US. He did what should have been done at least 10 years earlier and repaired the disc.
I can honestly say out of the many doctors I had dealt with, he was the only one worth respecting. It was obvious by his bedside manner that he actually cared for his patients well being.
 

Inquisitor

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Then thank God I don't blindly follow these experts because they're wrong. How many people were able to develop antibodies without the vaccine? Plenty. How many would have been able to develop antibodies without taking the vaccine, except they were deceived by fear mongering into taking them? Guess we'll never know will we?

As far as mutations concerned, how do we know for sure that we are receiving the right vaccine for the flu? Those viruses mutate as well. So I guess we are just playing the guessing game, aren't we? While these pharmaceutical companies are getting rich.

Bill Gates had a 20 to 1 investment in his money making scheme. Invested 10 billion and was able to come out with 200 billion in return. He said this in an interview.....
If I had invested in Microsoft in the nineties, you can be guaranteed that I would not have a bad word to say about Bill Gates.

It comes down to which side of the fence your standing on.

You have to invest your superannuation, your savings, some where in the economy.

Pharmaceutical companies have strong dividends.

Most people are inadvertently invested in medical institutions through superannuation funds.

Pots calling the kettle black.

There are two sides in the medical debate concerning Covid-19 and the problem reduces. To the simple medical statistics regarding age of death and vaccination status. In the end that is all that matters. Not the medical opinions.
 

Inquisitor

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What are the highest paid professions in the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia?

Anesthesiologists (surgery), Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons, Obstetricians-Gynecologists, Surgeons (general), Orthodontists.

Medical professionals are the highest paid professions.

Why are medical specialists the highest paid professions?

If you combine bad diets with no exercise, you will need surgery at some stage. There is no getting around that one.

If your appearance is not what you think it should be, then you will need cosmetic surgery.

In my next life, I am coming back as an Anesthesiologist. What a dream job that is. Give the patient the injection and put them under. Monitor them through the surgery. Then keep an eye on them for a few hours after surgery. I can do that.

Don't go to a doctor and ask them about a healthy diet or exercise. That is how they make their money, by you making poor decisions about diet and exercise.

Mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
 

Inquisitor

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They absolutely do. Most have sold their medical practice to the drug companies. I have many undiagnosed medical problems and my experience as a patient at their hands has been terrible. Most Doctors follow the same pattern. Do a few basic test and if nothing stands out throw a bunch of off label drugs big pharma recommends for the symptoms and call it a day.
Most are either to lazy or incompetent to be bothered with actually doing any research on the symptoms when basic test are inconclusive. Even when the cause is obvious to many misdiagnose it. Been there more than once.
I suffered for 15 years from a ruptured disc in my neck. I suffered additional discomfort from all the drugs that were thrown at me. The pain had gotten so bad I attempted suicide and then I finally got a referral to one of the best spinal Surgeons in the US. He did what should have been done at least 10 years earlier and repaired the disc.
I can honestly say out of the many doctors I had dealt with, he was the only one worth respecting. It was obvious by his bedside manner that he actually cared for his patients well being.
Do you have any idea how much medical information, a doctor needs to keep up with, to diligently treat patients?

The medical information is overwhelming for all doctors.

Nurses these days need a degree to work in hospitals. Do they know much about medicine?

The human body is a very, very, complex entity. That is why there are a range of specialists. Do you think your average doctor knows much about any individual medical problem?

General doctors have a good knowledge of general medical conditions. But a specialist is the expert. That is why they send you to see a specialist. They get a kick back on that and the specialists charge like wounded bulls. Your in a catch 22.

My advice is the same for everyone. Now are you listening?

DONT GET SICK AND DONT GET OLD.

I don't think anyone ever listens.
 

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This question came up when they first started mandating the vaccines saying they had no idea how long the natural immunity of those who recover from Covid19 would last. That was true but they also had no idea how long the immunity from the vaccine would last. But still it was a valid question, so I looked at the Worldometer data and was surprised to learn that two of the countries that had the lowest impact from the pandemic which originated out of China were Taiwan and Vietnam. These are two countries that I would have expected to be hit first. I lived in Taiwan for years and there are many, many people who fly back and forth to China for business reasons. However, these two countries were hit hard by SARS over ten years prior to this. Since Covid19 is very similar to SARS I have hypothesized that the immunity that people who recovered from SARS had is reducing the impact from Covid19 over ten years later. That tells me that natural immunity is durable and effective.



This is actually a very powerful point that condemns the vaccine. We know that this kind of virus mutates at such an incredible rate there is no point in making a vaccine. This is why there is no vaccine for the common cold. Creating a vaccine for Covid19 never had any chance of conferring herd immunity even though that was given as a selling point. I feel quite certain that the real experts knew this but at the same time they might have still thought the vaccine would be helpful, I am not attacking their motive just yet. The problem with vaccinating everyone is that you create an environment that favors the strains that bypass any immunity from the vaccine. This may not have been obvious to "all" the experts, but again, I am certain that the real, real experts knew this would be the case. Perhaps if you could vaccinate 7 billion people in one weekend the vaccine would be beneficial, but barring that scenario, which is patently absurd, the only motivation for pushing this vaccine is that you would make money and in a few months be able to sell another and another. By comparison natural immunity is not to simply one portion of the virus so it is "more durable". It is much harder for a mutation to bypass that immunity.
You omitted the reduced impact of the symptoms of Covid-19 and vaccines.

No vaccine can prevent infection but vaccines can reduce the impact of the symptoms.
 

ZNP

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You omitted the reduced impact of the symptoms of Covid-19 and vaccines.

No vaccine can prevent infection but vaccines can reduce the impact of the symptoms.
No I didn't. I said the experts might have still thought it would be beneficial even thought they knew it wouldn't confer immunity.
 

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True. But we need to test drugs on animals first, unless you want to volunteer?

Lots of mistake have been made and lots of mistakes continue to be made. But I have known innumerable people who have benefitted, cured, been kept alive. By the medical professionals. My father, my mother, relatives and friends.

I don't think that these days, there would be many people that have not had a surgery or medical intervention. Who are older than seventy years of age.

I had surgery for a groin hernia and I had nothing but praise for the surgeon.

Vaccines are necessary and especially if your travelling overseas.

Vaccines as far as I am concerned have been very successful in general.
 
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No. The vaccines, as far as I am aware, are designed to prompt our immune system to produce the proteins that will either attack the virus direct or prevent it from attaching to our body's cells. Barring putting everyone in airtight chambers with a secure and scrubbed air supply, all of us are prone to being infected. The airtight chamber analogy is somewhat met with our masks, social distancing, and good hygiene.

There's a lot of false information being peddled out there, a lot coming from conspiracy theorists and ignorant social mediaites and others that are listening to the lies being peddled by of the evil one.
The thing is, what is being offered as vaccine for the original Covid, the great 19, is not a vaccine. That, is the reason that Pfizer et al cannot be sued or made to answer for their frolic with global health.

Oh you betcha there is a large amount of hot air being passed around and it's getting harder to find fresh air.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. However, what is going on in this and other countries, is, so in your face that some laugh it off as conspiracy. Actually it. It is the devil's conspiracy.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Do you have any idea how much medical information, a doctor needs to keep up with, to diligently treat patients?

The medical information is overwhelming for all doctors.

Nurses these days need a degree to work in hospitals. Do they know much about medicine?

The human body is a very, very, complex entity. That is why there are a range of specialists. Do you think your average doctor knows much about any individual medical problem?

General doctors have a good knowledge of general medical conditions. But a specialist is the expert. That is why they send you to see a specialist. They get a kick back on that and the specialists charge like wounded bulls. Your in a catch 22.

My advice is the same for everyone. Now are you listening?

DONT GET SICK AND DONT GET OLD.

I don't think anyone ever listens.
So do they advise us in good nutrition, fitness, and hygiene? It's written within their curriculum isn't it? Instead why are we being told to pop pills and take vaccines versus living a healthy lifestyle?

Dads almost 80 years of age and some of the conditions that I've witnessed with individuals younger than my Dad is quite astounding. He's still kicking and hasn't been to the Hospital. Reason why, because He's lived a healthy lifestyle my whole life growing up. Fitness and good nutrition which naturally fortifies our already built in immune systems.
 

Inquisitor

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So do they advise us in good nutrition, fitness, and hygiene? It's written within their curriculum isn't it? Instead why are we being told to pop pills and take vaccines versus living a healthy lifestyle?

Dads almost 80 years of age and some of the conditions that I've witnessed with individuals younger than my Dad is quite astounding. He's still kicking and hasn't been to the Hospital. Reason why, because He's lived a healthy lifestyle my whole life growing up. Fitness and good nutrition which naturally fortifies our already built in immune systems.
But less than ten percent of the population eats nutritional meals. Less than ten percent of the population exercises regularly. We are our own biggest threat to our health.

Your Dad is an exception to the general rule. What about the rest of your family?

Have you seen what people eat these days?
 

TruthSeekerJG

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But less than ten percent of the population eats nutritional meals. Less than ten percent of the population exercises regularly. We are our own biggest threat to our health.

Your Dad is an exception to the general rule. What about the rest of your family?

Have you seen what people eat these days?
Well, not to mention my Mom, except she doesn't really follow good nutrition all the way. She does stay away from any kind of pills, except in the case of taking ivermectin to combat Covid-19 when she caught it. She was able to develop the antibodies without getting the shot. Doesn't take pain killers and every now and then takes penicillin.

100% agree! There's a very small percentage that trusts in the guidelines already laid out in the Word. The rest of my family I'm pretty sure has either taken the shot, live unhealthy lifestyles, or both.

Shoot, a good majority of our country is obese. If anything the epidemic that is going on is cardiovascular disease.
 

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Do you have any idea how much medical information, a doctor needs to keep up with, to diligently treat patients?

The medical information is overwhelming for all doctors.

Nurses these days need a degree to work in hospitals. Do they know much about medicine?

The human body is a very, very, complex entity. That is why there are a range of specialists. Do you think your average doctor knows much about any individual medical problem?

General doctors have a good knowledge of general medical conditions. But a specialist is the expert. That is why they send you to see a specialist. They get a kick back on that and the specialists charge like wounded bulls. Your in a catch 22.

My advice is the same for everyone. Now are you listening?

DONT GET SICK AND DONT GET OLD.

I don't think anyone ever listens.
Are you making excuses for lazy/incompetent Doctors? I have seen specialist and most are just as lazy/incompetent as the others.

The way I see it is if a Doctor goes into practice then he owes it to his patients to do the best he/she can for his patients and if he can't or is unwilling then he should find another line of work.