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John146

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Do you want to know more or are you set in your understanding?
I get what I need from scripture. Do you want to know more? Or are you set in your understanding?
 

John146

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Do you want to know more or are you set in your understanding?
I can post more if needed. Sacrifices could forgive sins, but not take them away. There was a remembrance of those sins. Only the shed blood of Jesus can take away sins permanently.
  1. Leviticus 4:20
    And he shall do with the bullock as he did with the bullock for a sin offering, so shall he do with this: and the priest shall make an atonement for them, and it shall be forgiven them.

  2. Leviticus 4:26
    And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him.

  3. Leviticus 4:31
    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the Lord; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

  4. Leviticus 4:35
    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Lord: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.

  5. Leviticus 5:10
    And he shall offer the second for a burnt offering, according to the manner: and the priest shall make an atonement for him for his sin which he hath sinned, and it shall be forgiven him.

  6. Leviticus 5:13
    And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering.

  7. Leviticus 5:16
    And he shall make amends for the harm that he hath done in the holy thing, and shall add the fifth part thereto, and give it unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering, and it shall be forgiven him.

  8. Leviticus 5:18
    And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.

  9. Leviticus 6:7
    And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the Lord: and it shall be forgiven him for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.

  10. Leviticus 19:22
    And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.

  11. Numbers 14:19
    Pardon, I beseech thee, the iniquity of this people according unto the greatness of thy mercy, and as thou hast forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now.

  12. Numbers 15:25
    And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the Lord, and their sin offering before the Lord, for their ignorance:

  13. Numbers 15:26
    And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.

  14. Numbers 15:28
    And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the Lord, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
 

oyster67

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It took an animal sacrifice for coats to cover them.
And God knew exactly what this represented, even then. Jesus died for them just as much as for us. God foresees things just as clear as day. He dwells outside and above time itself. Mindboggling as it is, it is true.
 

John146

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And God knew exactly what this represented, even then. Jesus died for them just as much as for us. God foresees things just as clear as day. He dwells outside and above time itself. Mindboggling as it is, it is true.
Yes, but it hadn't happened yet, so the blood of Jesus was not applied at that time. God has chosen to work within the time frame that he gave man through his word.
 

oyster67

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Yes, but it hadn't happened yet, so the blood of Jesus was not applied at that time. God has chosen to work within the time frame that he gave man through his word.
I completely agree that this is the way it looks from the human standpoint. It is not wrong to look at things through human eyes. I have no quarrel with you, dear brother.
 

Dirtman

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Truth is not determined by humanity, material, time, or space. It is determined by God. A thing is true from him commanding it to be.