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JTB

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Agreed. The real problem is this: Since I've joined this board, only YOU and one other person have at all put Christ before earthly politics in any way, while the rest have been attacking me incessantly, armed with their right-wing politics and worldly belief sets, and this is a direct correlation to what happens in our world today.

In regular life this is what I see. Out of 100 people claiming to be Christians I am loathe to find more than 5 who are consistent in their other beliefs, and those who are inconsistent with their profession to be Christians are deeply involved in right-wing politics and the idolatry of worshiping America in all the different forms that idol takes (ultimately being mammon).

That is why I am hated by most on this "Christian" forum, which I see as proof that I am on the right side:
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
You might then agree with me on this:

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JTB

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let's take it a step further-

how many Christians regularly use amazon, a company with the devil's tail as part of their logo.

how many Christians have netflix and other streaming services which all have pro new world order shows

how many Christians do not believe in witchcraft and demons, which the Bible openly talks about.

but then say they are " Bible believing" Christians....

how many Christians use cashless methods to buy and sell, which is going to be used to end cash and bring in a digital one world currency....

how many ever even THINK about these things??
Things like Amazon and Netflix, like facebook and tiktok, are what you make them. People at church rebuke me for watching tiktok because in their world it's just sluts hoes and trouble makers (or as I call them "people who need prayed over"). But I like it for the homeowner and auto tricks and tips. The forum will give you what you are looking for, so the question with these is "what are you looking for?"

What is deceiving Christians is that while joining the elephant's seemingly Godly fight against abortion, they then also join in on their unGodly ways of mammon worship, self idolatry, abandonment of the truly poor and sick, and embrace of lies and deceit. THAT, and not Amazon/Netflix/tiktok, is what threatens believers.
 

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The point of it all is this:

The Jews believed their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from Godless Romans. Because of this they did not recognize the true Messiah when He came to them.

Too many Christians these days are looking for a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals. Because of this, they will miss their Christ when He comes for them.

History is repeating itself, to the detriment of believers.
 

JTB

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You might then agree with me on this:

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Mark 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

So it is prophesied that the Messiah must die, and Jesus tells them the time has come. Peter protests, thinking there's got to be a way to stop it. Jesus rebukes satan, knowing it was not Peter, but satan who was driving Peter to protest.

So God tells us the world will end up in the hands of the antichrist. We see that the time has come in the form of the "Deep State". So we rebuke the DS thinking there’s got to be a way we can stop it.

Jesus rebuked satan. We're rebuking Peter. And being mindful of the things of man.



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Mt 24: To deceive even the elect...
 

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Let me put this in typeface so it's easier to read:

Mark 8:31 And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. 33 But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

So it is prophesied that the Messiah must die, and Jesus tells them the time has come. Peter protests, thinking there's got to be a way to stop it. Jesus rebukes satan, knowing it was not Peter, but satan who was driving Peter to protest.

So God tells us the world will end up in the hands of the antichrist. We see that the time has come in the form of the "Deep State". So we rebuke the DS thinking there’s got to be a way we can stop it.

Jesus rebuked satan. We're rebuking Peter. And being mindful of the things of man.



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Mt 24: To deceive even the elect...
So then you are allegorizing the current events with the Stop the Steal rallies and concern with election Fraud with Peter telling the Lord not to go to the cross. I may have oversimplified it, but that is the message that many of us have been getting from your posts.

Therefore it seems you are not in a position to say that allegorizing this treason with the treason that took place at the time of Esther is wrong.

Nor can you take issue with those who allegorize Trump talking about locking up Hillary to Jehu and Jezebel.

Nor can you take issue with the comparison of the restrainer being taken out of the way to when Samson pushed over the pillars (the church is the pillar and base of the truth) causing the entire temple to Baal (US Congress) to collapse.

I think all of these are valid. So I agree that we should be careful about what we pray for and make sure it is according to God's word and His will, otherwise we will be like Peter. Haman will end up on the gallows, Jezebel will be eaten by the dogs, and the temple of Baal will come crashing down. All of this is God's will and praying against it is an affront to God.
 

ZNP

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The point of it all is this:

The Jews believed their Messiah would be a political figure who'd save them from Godless Romans. Because of this they did not recognize the true Messiah when He came to them.

Too many Christians these days are looking for a political figure who'll save them from Godless liberals. Because of this, they will miss their Christ when He comes for them.

History is repeating itself, to the detriment of believers.
Luke 14:1-14 -- "Jesus Freak", the worst seat at the feast.

14 And it came to pass, when he went into the house of one of the rulers of the Pharisees on a sabbath to eat bread, that they were watching him. 2 And behold, there was before him a certain man that had the dropsy. 3 And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath, or not? 4 But they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go.

(Dropsy refers to congestive heart failure). In the last chapter we saw the response of the ruler of the synagogue, in this chapter we see the response of the “silent majority”. In the last chapter we learned that the Lord’s goal includes exposing the hypocrisy of a corrupt counterfeit bill to the kingdom of the heavens. In this chapter we learn about the silent majority, those who hold their peace.

5 And he said unto them, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a well, and will not straightway draw him up on a sabbath day? 6 And they could not answer again unto these things.

According to the rabbinical law you were not supposed to pull an ox out of a well on the Sabbath. You were allowed to lower food and water down to the ox, but you had to wait till the next day to pull the ox out. They knew this, but then they also knew that this was a stupid rule. The ox doesn’t know it is the Sabbath. In the wild an ox falls into a well and can’t get out, that ox is going to die. So this ox is going to panic and may break a leg trying to get out. Imagine you were the ox, your owner sees you in the well, but just leaves you there! How cruel is that? You do all that work for him and he is just going to leave you to die? One person can’t pull an ox out, so they would need help. This is why they are all keeping quiet, they don’t want to admit that they do this in public, but they can’t deny it because everyone knows they do it. It is a stupid, cruel rule, no one obeys it, but they are afraid to say that. That is hypocrisy, that is the leaven of the Pharisees. They keep people in line with fear but no one believes them, they don’t obey them, they just don’t want to make waves. Recently we discovered that a number of very high profile NFL stars were fabricating vaccine passports, pretending they had complied with the mandate while ignoring the rule. Meanwhile we have seen an extraordinary number of athletes drop dead this last year from "causes unknown".

7 And he spake a parable unto those that were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief seats; saying unto them, 8 When thou art bidden of any man to a marriage feast, sit not down in the chief seat; lest haply a more honorable man than thou be bidden of him, 9 and he that bade thee and him shall come and say to thee, Give this man place; and then thou shalt begin with shame to take the lowest place. 10 But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest place; that when he that hath bidden thee cometh, he may say to thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have glory in the presence of all that sit at meat with thee. 11 For every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is what people are really afraid of, public humiliation. What did the Lord say, don’t fear those that can just humiliate you and after that there is nothing more they can do, rather fear Him who after you have died has the power to humiliate you for eternity. Why is it that people deny the Lord before men? They are afraid to be shunned and humiliated. The Lord is not teaching us how to be social climbers. You need to connect this account with the earlier point Jesus made(Luke 12:8-9). If you confess Jesus before men you will be shunned, you will be given the worst seats at their feasts. But if you confess Jesus before men then He will confess you before the angels, at the feast that He is going to give at the end of the age He will say “friend go up higher”. If you choose to start the feast in the most despised seat, the “Jesus freak” seat, then there is nothing they can do to you, but you give the Lord an opportunity to honor you. When I tell people that Jesus is the only savior they interpret that to mean that I am telling them to sit on their hands and do nothing. They are worked up over the vaccine mandate or over climate change or concerned with election fraud. We are supposed to be the salt and the light, I am all for being the salt and the light. But let's be realistic, the Republican party is not "the savior", AOC and her $10 trillion dollar green new deal is not the savior, and Mike Lindell is not the savior. By all means expose election fraud, promote the use of cleaner energy and reject them illegally mandating an experimental vaccine. But if you are serious about real solutions you will realize that as long as our government is corrupt giving them $10 trillion will not make things better, only worse.

12 And he said to him also that had bidden him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, nor thy kinsmen, nor rich neighbors; lest haply they also bid thee again, and a recompense be made thee. 13 But when thou makest a feast, bid the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: 14 and thou shalt be blessed; because they have not wherewith to recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed in the resurrection of the just.

This is how you lay up treasure for yourself (Luke 12:16-21). Man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things he possesses. If the US dollar is about to become worthless then you are in the exact same position of that rich man who died. Once he died the grain in the barn was worthless to him. He could have used it to give a feast to the poor and then when the Lord took him he would have had treasure stored up in heaven. During the tribulation our money will become worthless. But right now there are people who can’t pay their rent, can’t buy food. One minute you could have used that money to store up treasure in heaven, the next minute it will be gone. Give to those who cannot recompense you and then you will be recompensed in the resurrection. This is a tremendous investment opportunity for you, where thieves don’t break in, moths don’t destroy, a purse in heaven that faileth not.
 
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Trump is not the Anti-Christ nor an antichrist either. It is absurd to say he is.

The Anti-Christ will be Jewish, since he has to claim to be the Jewish Messiah, mostly from the tribe of Dan. Trump is not Jewish nor claims to be Christ.

The Anti-Christ will not be able to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, since no one does this without the Holy Spirit. Trump does it, so he is not the Anti-Christ.

Neither can one who confesses Jesus Christ is the Son of God, be the Anti-Christ, as per Saint John the Apostle: "
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist." (1 Jn 2:22)

Since Trump clearly believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and does not deny the Father and Son, he is no antichrist.

God Bless.
 

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No, I'm saying those who conflate the elephant with the cross are being drawn away from God's Truths. Being drawn away, they will not be prepared for the days that are coming (and that they are in fact helping to bring on). Not being prepared, they will turn from the faith as Jesus said many will when those days arrive.

The left deceives the world.

The right deceives believers.

That puts believers in danger of losing what the left never had.
The middle deceive themselves. :eek:
 

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Because Trump is really known for his smooth-talk and flattery. :ROFL:
That is a thousand times better than Biden's lies and foolish and demented talk. Projecting Trump as the Antichrist is absolute nonsense. But Trump needs to learn how to distinguish between friends and enemies. So far he has surrounded himself mostly with enemies, and while he was in office that is exactly what he did.
 

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That is a thousand times better than Biden's lies and foolish and demented talk.
Oh, I agree. In fact, he was elected specifically because of his trollish nature. OP is completely in outer-space with respect to both Trump and Trump voters as if the GOP is a mindless cult. Trump was elected to troll career politicians because of their weakness and repeated failures: nothing is farther than the truth than the OP. Sure, we all hope for the best, but the idea that conservatives are putting faith in the Republican party and see Trump as some messiah figure is absurd.
 

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So then you are allegorizing the current events with the Stop the Steal rallies and concern with election Fraud with Peter telling the Lord not to go to the cross. I may have oversimplified it, but that is the message that many of us have been getting from your posts.

Therefore it seems you are not in a position to say that allegorizing this treason with the treason that took place at the time of Esther is wrong.

Nor can you take issue with those who allegorize Trump talking about locking up Hillary to Jehu and Jezebel.

Nor can you take issue with the comparison of the restrainer being taken out of the way to when Samson pushed over the pillars (the church is the pillar and base of the truth) causing the entire temple to Baal (US Congress) to collapse.

I think all of these are valid. So I agree that we should be careful about what we pray for and make sure it is according to God's word and His will, otherwise we will be like Peter. Haman will end up on the gallows, Jezebel will be eaten by the dogs, and the temple of Baal will come crashing down. All of this is God's will and praying against it is an affront to God.
I think you missed the point, but I will say this...

Hillary belongs in the same cell with trump. The question isn't why did they raid trump's home, it's why haven't they raided hers? Other than doing it to him is a strike that to anyone else would be fatal, yet is bringing him back to life...

Again, I could swear I've heard of that before
 

ZNP

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I think you missed the point, but I will say this...

Hillary belongs in the same cell with trump. The question isn't why did they raid trump's home, it's why haven't they raided hers? Other than doing it to him is a strike that to anyone else would be fatal, yet is bringing him back to life...

Again, I could swear I've heard of that before
I have not heard anyone talking about Trump "being brought back to life" except for you.

I'm tired of these questions. I think the evidence is overwhelming at this point and the burden of proof is now on the FBI to prove this is not true. The FBI doesn't raid Hillary's home because the leaders are compromised by her. They worked to get her elected, then when that failed they worked to destroy Trump, that has been proven in court. Now they want to seize evidence that they believe Trump had which would convict them.
 

JTB

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Oh, I agree. In fact, he was elected specifically because of his trollish nature. OP is completely in outer-space with respect to both Trump and Trump voters as if the GOP is a mindless cult. Trump was elected to troll career politicians because of their weakness and repeated failures: nothing is farther than the truth than the OP. Sure, we all hope for the best, but the idea that conservatives are putting faith in the Republican party and see Trump as some messiah figure is absurd.
(Psssst... the GOP IS a mindless cult. And trump IS their messiah)

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JTB

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Trump is not the Anti-Christ nor an antichrist either. It is absurd to say he is.

The Anti-Christ will be Jewish, since he has to claim to be the Jewish Messiah, mostly from the tribe of Dan. Trump is not Jewish nor claims to be Christ.

The Anti-Christ will not be able to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, since no one does this without the Holy Spirit. Trump does it, so he is not the Anti-Christ.

Neither can one who confesses Jesus Christ is the Son of God, be the Anti-Christ, as per Saint John the Apostle: "
And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist." (1 Jn 2:22)

Since Trump clearly believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and does not deny the Father and Son, he is no antichrist.

God Bless.
Not all who say "lord Lord" will be saved, and scripture repeatedly warns against false teachers/prophets/messiahs coming in His (GOD's) name (I posted many of them early on). It's not the words on your lips but the manifestation of them in your heart that counts. And mammon worship, self idolatry, lies and deceit, cheating of workers, abandonment of the poor and sick - these are not the motives of a heart that is true to it's lips when they say "Lord Lord"
 

JTB

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(Psssst... the GOP IS a mindless cult. And trump IS their messiah)
Actually both sides are mindless cults. You don't HAVE to support either one.
 

JTB

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Trump has a large following, but not all Rep. are deceived by him.
So your statement is not true.
Fair enough.

What about those who support Cruz/McConnel and their kind? Still mammon hoarders, self idolaters, worker abusers, liars and deceivers, abandoners of the sick and poor...

Not that the dems are any better.

It's time to stop supporting the lesser evil!
 

ZNP

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Fair enough.

What about those who support Cruz/McConnel and their kind? Still mammon hoarders, self idolaters, worker abusers, liars and deceivers, abandoners of the sick and poor...

Not that the dems are any better.

It's time to stop supporting the lesser evil!
You seem to be the one who is the most obsessed with Trump, I would guess 10% of your posts refer to him, that would be over 100 times!