Uvalde Texas school shooting was it real or fake

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ZNP

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Because anyone who thinks an entire town is in on a secret and no one has come forward and blown the whistle is childishly gullible
If you say gullible real slowly it sounds like oranges, try it.
 

Dude653

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If you say gullible real slowly it sounds like oranges, try it.
At the risk of being redundant my point still stands.. What sounds more logical? An entire town is in on a lie and not a single person haa come forward or it really happened?
Also the names of the deceased are released so that would mean the local funeral homes are in on the lie too.. it's a comically stupid idea
 

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At the risk of being redundant my point still stands.. What sounds more logical? An entire town is in on a lie and not a single person haa come forward or it really happened?
Also the names of the deceased are released so that would mean the local funeral homes are in on the lie too.. it's a comically stupid idea
If you are thinking logically you would realize that the implication of saying that Uvalde was staged is that many more schools shooting have also been staged. Also, this is not simply people in the town that would have to be in on it to act like this really happened but also aunts, uncles, cousins, grand parents in other cities and states.

However, if the attack was a conspiracy, say deep state, then you only need 5-10 in on it and they would be highly motivated not to talk otherwise they would go to prison for life.

So returning to Occam's razor,

Theory one -- lone crazed gunman -- does not make any sense at all, too many improbabilities as to make this statistically very unlikely.

Theory two -- Deep state wants to influence the debate on gun control and wants to use a red state that has "good guys with a gun". Everything fits together much better than theory one except for the fact that they have to be cold, cruel lizard brained people.

Theory three -- Deep state of Moloch and Baal worshippers conduct a human sacrifice to their god. That explains the lizard brain.

Theory four -- Hollywood production of Wag the dog. Sounds like an absurd Deep State conspiracy theory so they could paint all conspiracy theories with the deep state with the same lunatic brush.
 

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If you are thinking logically you would realize that the implication of saying that Uvalde was staged is that many more schools shooting have also been staged. Also, this is not simply people in the town that would have to be in on it to act like this really happened but also aunts, uncles, cousins, grand parents in other cities and states.

However, if the attack was a conspiracy, say deep state, then you only need 5-10 in on it and they would be highly motivated not to talk otherwise they would go to prison for life.

So returning to Occam's razor,

Theory one -- lone crazed gunman -- does not make any sense at all, too many improbabilities as to make this statistically very unlikely.

Theory two -- Deep state wants to influence the debate on gun control and wants to use a red state that has "good guys with a gun". Everything fits together much better than theory one except for the fact that they have to be cold, cruel lizard brained people.

Theory three -- Deep state of Moloch and Baal worshippers conduct a human sacrifice to their god. That explains the lizard brain.

Theory four -- Hollywood production of Wag the dog. Sounds like an absurd Deep State conspiracy theory so they could paint all conspiracy theories with the deep state with the same lunatic brush.
Deep State doesn't exist. You need to take off your tin foil hat and come back to reality.
 

Dude653

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Tell that to J. Edgar Hoover
Nice red herring but still no evidence of your conspiracy theories
The idea conspiracy cuckoos such as yourself or expressing is that it's a false flag to get rid of guns but the reality is the second amendment isn't going anywhere and it's just a right-wing talking point because Republicans are one issue voters
 

ZNP

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Nice red herring but still no evidence of your conspiracy theories
The idea conspiracy cuckoos such as yourself or expressing is that it's a false flag to get rid of guns but the reality is the second amendment isn't going anywhere and it's just a right-wing talking point because Republicans are one issue voters
Enough joker, the FBI has already confessed in court to having lied about FISA warrants, hiding evidence, and working to eliminate Trump or get Hillary elected.

You are standing on a mountain of evidence. We know that the politicians are simply puppets for special interests. We know that the FBI collects information on them to blackmail them to get their way.

What Fauci and the CDC did with this last pandemic is a mountain of evidence. It is not my job to convince you. All the evidence has been posted in numerous threads on this forum.

However, you will be held accountable for what you did with the warnings and you will also be held accountable for mocking and ridiculing those who warned you with your insults.
 

ZNP

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The Federal government employs 9.1 million people, much, much more than any other employer in the US.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance...rnment-is-the-largest-employer-in-the-nation/

The deep state does not need 99% of them to be in the know. 1% of these is 91,000 people who have virtually total control of all US assets, computer databases, resources, etc. They have the ability to hide evidence, blackmail people, raid your home, seize stuff, plant evidence to frame you, destroy your career, your family, etc. As Chuck Schumer said if you go against the FBI they have 100 ways to get back at you.
 

Dude653

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Enough joker, the FBI has already confessed in court to having lied about FISA warrants, hiding evidence, and working to eliminate Trump or get Hillary elected.

You are standing on a mountain of evidence. We know that the politicians are simply puppets for special interests. We know that the FBI collects information on them to blackmail them to get their way.

What Fauci and the CDC did with this last pandemic is a mountain of evidence. It is not my job to convince you. All the evidence has been posted in numerous threads on this forum.

However, you will be held accountable for what you did with the warnings and you will also be held accountable for mocking and ridiculing those who warned you with your insults.
See a mental health professional. Do so expeditiously
 

ZNP

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Deep State doesn't exist. You need to take off your tin foil hat and come back to reality.
How many times have you accused others of being conspiracy nuts or wearing a tin foil hat? Is it 50 times? 75 times? Anyone asking questions about Covid? Questions about the election? It seems if anyone asks questions about anything our government does you are right there to call them cuckoo.

I'm wondering if anyone takes you seriously?
 

Dude653

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How many times have you accused others of being conspiracy nuts or wearing a tin foil hat? Is it 50 times? 75 times? Anyone asking questions about Covid? Questions about the election? It seems if anyone asks questions about anything our government does you are right there to call them cuckoo.

I'm wondering if anyone takes you seriously?
Let's go over this again
What's more likely?
An entire town is in on a line and not a single person is going forward or it really happened?
The logistics of getting an entire town of people to go along with a conspiracy is just cartoonishly unrealistic
 

ZNP

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Let's go over this again
What's more likely?
An entire town is in on a line and not a single person is going forward or it really happened?
The logistics of getting an entire town of people to go along with a conspiracy is just cartoonishly unrealistic
Yes, let's try this again, I have already dismissed that theory as preposterous and pointed out to you how it is about 10x more preposterous than you said. Try reading what people write, slowly, that might help you understand before slinging insults.
 

Dude653

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Yes, let's try this again, I have already dismissed that theory as preposterous and pointed out to you how it is about 10x more preposterous than you said. Try reading what people write, slowly, that might help you understand before slinging insults.
So at this point anyone still saying the shooting was fake is completely disconnected from reality and needs to take off the tin foil hat
 

ZNP

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So at this point anyone still saying the shooting was fake is completely disconnected from reality and needs to take off the tin foil hat
I have no problem with anyone who is investigating this, everything about it is rotten. I am a teacher and I watched our prepared video on what do in the event of a shooter again this year, we watch it every year. Every teacher and every cop knows exactly what to do, and you can be sure we are all quite sober and serious about this training each year. What happened in Uvalde is completely contrary to our teaching, so something is very rotten.

Why are you so focused on trying to shut down all questions, accusing people of being disconnected from reality and refer to tin foil hats? You sound like a Parrot with the catch phrase your trainer taught you.

That said I think it is completely foolish to make an incendiary claim that would be terribly offensive to everyone involved without absolute proof beyond any reasonable doubt. Just because you can't find a picture of an EMT is hardly what I am referring to. Find out who the EMT's in Uvalde are, call them up, ask if they worked that day and if maybe you can get them to say something. Anyone making the claim that you are referring to is incredibly insensitive to the people who suffered through this event.
 

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I have no problem with anyone who is investigating this, everything about it is rotten. I am a teacher and I watched our prepared video on what do in the event of a shooter again this year, we watch it every year. Every teacher and every cop knows exactly what to do, and you can be sure we are all quite sober and serious about this training each year. What happened in Uvalde is completely contrary to our teaching, so something is very rotten.

Why are you so focused on trying to shut down all questions, accusing people of being disconnected from reality and refer to tin foil hats? You sound like a Parrot with the catch phrase your trainer taught you.

That said I think it is completely foolish to make an incendiary claim that would be terribly offensive to everyone involved without absolute proof beyond any reasonable doubt. Just because you can't find a picture of an EMT is hardly what I am referring to. Find out who the EMT's in Uvalde are, call them up, ask if they worked that day and if maybe you can get them to say something. Anyone making the claim that you are referring to is incredibly insensitive to the people who suffered through this event.
I rarely post in the forums but I rem dude from like 3 years ago he's just the typical woke cnn watching NPC, he doesnt think for himself his talking points are so predictable alex jones tin foil hat everythings a conspiracy the frogs are gay blah blah blah
 

ZNP

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I rarely post in the forums but I rem dude from like 3 years ago he's just the typical woke cnn watching NPC, he doesnt think for himself his talking points are so predictable alex jones tin foil hat everythings a conspiracy the frogs are gay blah blah blah
Yes, he never answered my question about how many times he has used those terms about Tin foil hat and conspiracy theory, I wanted to know if he was aware of what everyone else is.

I feel very confident the number will be greater than 75.
 

chootchooot

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BTW i never said the shooting was fake I just wondered if anyone could prove it was real and saying "the whole town would have to be in on it" is the dumbest response ive heard, why would a whole town have to be in on it...only a couple hundred would have to be in on it, and if someone whistle blew where would they get a spotlight to speak out? CNN and the other fake news channels arent going to give someone the time of day to speak out about a fake shooting they helped orchestrate...
 

ZNP

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BTW i never said the shooting was fake I just wondered if anyone could prove it was real and saying "the whole town would have to be in on it" is the dumbest response ive heard, why would a whole town have to be in on it...only a couple hundred would have to be in on it, and if someone whistle blew where would they get a spotlight to speak out? CNN and the other fake news channels arent going to give someone the time of day to speak out about a fake shooting they helped orchestrate...
If you say 19 kids were shot and killed then every other kid at that elementary school would have to be in on it. Who knows who is the next door neighbor, or who went to who's birthday party, etc. How are you going to get elementary school kids to be in on something like that. But it is worse. I have 9 cousins that grew up in other towns, I also had three aunts, three uncles, two grandmothers and two grandfathers. That is 15 people not in that town who would also have to be in on it. Multiply by 19 and you get around 300 additional people outside of the town. If I recall correctly people's careers were ruined over this, people had to resign, etc. The entire world saw this so if you had a friend from college that was teaching there you are going to call them.

So every teacher at that school, every kid in that school, a variety of neighbors, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, all the parents of the kids, all the cops that were there and had to be publicly humiliated, the supposed perpetrator, his classmates, the people who worked with him at the Wendy's, his grandmother, etc. All in all you would go well over a thousand people. Then, what about the hospital, and the morgue, and the coroner, and the undertaker, and the local news reporters, etc.
 

iamsoandso

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BTW i never said the shooting was fake I just wondered if anyone could prove it was real and saying "the whole town would have to be in on it" is the dumbest response ive heard, why would a whole town have to be in on it...only a couple hundred would have to be in on it, and if someone whistle blew where would they get a spotlight to speak out? CNN and the other fake news channels arent going to give someone the time of day to speak out about a fake shooting they helped orchestrate...

Your suppose to check to see if the shooting is in a state that has a dominant amount of Democrat's running it(like sandy hook,911 ect.) instead of a Red state like Texas(three decades all Republican) before any conspiracy theories are started. So school shootings like Santa Fe, Uvalde ect. are off the table because that would mean that Abbott, the political figures in Uvalde county, police,sheriff ect. would be implicated in perpetrating the fake shooting(their all R's). Anyway don't look for drops of blood but instead always check to see if it took place where D's are in charge and not R's before insinuating it is a conspiracy ... lol