Europe and America about to forsake Israel

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arthurfleminger

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For decades I was pro Israeli and anti Arab/Palestianian. But no longer. Today, I'm completely neutral. The new State of Israel has been in existance since 1948, almost 75 years. During that long time there has been no peace in the area, despite numerous peace efforts from the USA and Europe.

It's pretty obvious that the Israelis and Arabs/Palestinians hate each other and that they will go on killing each other. I say it is time to leave them to their own devices, support neither side. If they choose to go on killing each other let them do so. But withdraw all military arms and monetary supports for all sides in the Mideast. Time to get out, lock, stock, and barrel.

Enough American soldiers have lost their lives in conflicts in the Mideast. Many American civilians too have lost their lives due to terrorist activities promulgated by the Mideast violence. No more.

Help in the Mideast peace from the USA/Europe has proven fruitless. Both sides of the conflict use the USA/Europe and minipulate them. Let the Israelis/Arabs/Palestinians solve their own problems without any help from the USA or Europe. Let them make peace or let them kill each other. 75 years of killing each other, enough is enough.
 

shittim

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Have you any grasp of prophecy?
He will bless those who bless the chosen ones.
Islame being a devil worshiping and Jew hating knockoff committed to the destruction of Israel, we are now at the door of the fulfillment of scripture and you are taking a knee.
What are you doing on a Christian forum?:unsure:
 

arthurfleminger

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Have you any grasp of prophecy?
He will bless those who bless the chosen ones.
Islame being a devil worshiping and Jew hating knockoff committed to the destruction of Israel, we are now at the door of the fulfillment of scripture and you are taking a knee.
What are you doing on a Christian forum?:unsure:
You obviously mistake the new State of Israel of today with the Nation of Israel of the Old Testament. There is no relationship between the two. Today's State of Israel is a completely secular state, in fact almost 1/2 of all Jews in the State of Israel are atheists, that wasn't so in the Nation of Israel of the Old Testament. Don't confuse the two.

About half of Jews are atheists - why it is so and why they are Jews | Vladimir Minkov | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com)
 

shittim

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That doesn't mean He will not uphold His covenant with them and they will return to Him.
Thus that reasoning position is a rejection of His Own, I don't think you want to do that.
He keeps His promises and the gospel is being preached and accepted by many Jews in Israel, Amir Tsarfati and many more. Rejecting them based on that position plays into the adversaries realm.
 

ZNP

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You obviously mistake the new State of Israel of today with the Nation of Israel of the Old Testament. There is no relationship between the two. Today's State of Israel is a completely secular state, in fact almost 1/2 of all Jews in the State of Israel are atheists, that wasn't so in the Nation of Israel of the Old Testament. Don't confuse the two.

About half of Jews are atheists - why it is so and why they are Jews | Vladimir Minkov | The Blogs (timesofisrael.com)
Hmmm

Egypt enslaved them, and drowned the baby boys in the river. God drowned their army of men in the sea, killed their firstborn, and turned their empire to dust. If you bless Israel you will be blessed, curse them you will be cursed, whatever you do to Israel will be done to you.

Assyria tried to wipe them out and now the Assyrian empire is wiped out.

Babylon removed them, depopulated the city but didn't wipe them out. Babylon is still here but depopulated.

The Greeks tried to change the religion, today the Greek religion has been changed.

The Romans smashed ancient Israel and scattered it, today the Roman empire is smashed and fractured.

Germany, allied with the Rothschilds and other benefactors tried to exterminate the Jews and killed one third of all those living on earth.

Haven't seen the response to that yet, but in Revelation we do hear that one third of all people die.

So go ahead, take a chance, what have you got to lose, ignore the Bible, ignore history, let's see how it turns out. All i ask is you give me enough time to get far enough away from you, just in case.
 

shittim

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Babylon was an empire for 1000 years until they enslaved Israel , 70 years later they were conquered fulfilling the prophetic word. Over and over, He keeps His promises.
I give thanks He has allowed me to be grafted in.
 

p_rehbein

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The socialist liberal party here in the US has been against Israel for a very long time now. The only time they pretend to care about Israel is during the campaign cycle. Some don't even care then......

Europe has gone so far socialist that I do not even know it there is a hope for Democratic Governments there. IMO, every Country is seeing a falling away from Christianity, and a growing socialist movement....
 

shittim

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Indeed the devil is pulling out all stops as he knows his time is short, God always works with a remnant as it is always only a remnant who will choose to be faithful.