Trump 24

JTB needs to back up this claim

“Jesus is not on the ballot. Yet trump and his cronies insist that He is on the ballot under trumps name.” Post #51 on the thread Trump 24.

I have asked for the name of the person who has done this and a citation for at least one crony and for Trump. I asked in both post #54 and #56 on that same thread.

If this is true I want to see it. If it is false it is ungodly slander that JTB accuses others of engaging in.

You cannot slander someone and run away. Go ahead and put me on ignore, doesn't matter, I have no intention of dropping this, it is ungodly slander unless you back it up with a citation.

Remember a crony is a close friend or companion. I am not interested in some loony who has no connection to Trump. You need a citation that shows Trump making this claim and a citation showing a close friend or companion and that would include anyone involved in speaking for his campaign or his administration.

"I knew God had chosen him for such a time as this" and later "he was chosen by God".

Mike Lindell counts as a crony, but this quote falls short of your claim. No one is insisting that Jesus is on the ballot in Trump's name. To pray for deliverance and to see your prayers answered is all that Lindell is referring to.

I also believe that we were given a reprieve, a four year period where we could have repented and turned to God on our knees. We didn't that is very, very clear.

Also, even though this was prior to Roe V. Wade being overturned it proves that what Lindell said is true. Christians all over this country have been praying for 50 years for that to be overturned. Their prayers were answered and they never would have been had Trump not been elected. And it happened in miraculous form.

If this is the only thing you have for Lindell you have slandered him as well as Trump.

This response from JTB is stunning. Does anyone really think that Roe v. Wade would have been overturned had not Trump been elected, wasn't the election miraculous and wasn't his naming 3 Supreme court justices miraculous with RBG dying a month before the election?

Also what about our embassy going to Jerusalem on the year of Jubilee? 1917 was a year of Jubilee when the Balfour declaration declared that Jerusalem belonged to the Jews. 1967 was a year of Jubilee when the Jews reclaimed Jerusalem. 2017 was a Jubilee when Trump moved our embassy there.

Mike Lindell's bold proclamation has been vindicated in full. JTB's allegations have not.

"nobody has done more for Christianity. Nobody has done more for religion of all types than me"
-DJT

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"If you even come out against this amazing man, Donald Trump, [who] is obviously quite flawed, you are coming out against Jesus, against their Christian values"
- Adam Kinzinger, R-IL

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books like this one actually exist and some publishers apparently are under the impression it's a title capable of making profit from:



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hundreds if not thousands of self-proclaimed prophets across evangelical, apostolic and pentecostal denominations predict Trump empowerment & rule as the will of God. this has been going on for 7 years, openly, broadly publicly - and it's hard to imagine you are not aware of it since you're actually one of them.

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"We’ve turned the other cheek, and I understand, sort of, the biblical reference—I understand the mentality—but it’s gotten us nothing. Okay? It’s gotten us nothing while we’ve ceded ground in every major institution in our country. "
- DT, jr

Trump's own son claims to be wiser than Christ: how did he come to perceive himself this way?

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Trump ad from 2020:
"Donald Trump speaks for us boldly leading the way. He’s never let us down. And never will.”

translation: DJT will never forsake us. he is worthy of our full trust. he will be our saviour.

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need more evidence?
watch yourself attack the messenger now instead of acknowledging any of the facts i've put.
ask yourself why you default to that.

do you think you are doing God's will by making Trump threads and defending Trump and urging people to empower Trump & hate all enemies of Trump? on a Christian forum? why on a Christian forum? hmm?

or have you basically been in sin with all your forum activity over the last 7 years?

if you think what you are doing is 'being a Christian' with all this worldly political content you have been posting for all these years, then i think you yourself are sufficient proof of @JTB's claim.

if you think what you have been doing isn't "Christian" then i think you should repent.

Another stupid comment by Trump, but not equivalent to saying that he is Jesus on the ballot.



Adam Kinzinger is a joke, he has done everything in his power to destroy Trump, he cannot in any way be classified as a "crony". He isn't a friend, he didn't represent the campaign or the administration.





So what. Did Trump say this, did he write this, did one of his "cronies" write this? This is how you smear someone.



None of this is evidence for JTB's claim that Trump or his cronies says he is Jesus on the Ballot in the name of Trump.

Trump is a jackass, I have said that repeatedly. I have likened him to the jawbone of an ass that Samson used to kill the Midianites. Provide evidence for the slanderous claim, not for things that everyone knows already and agrees to.

why do these things exist?
who gave people these ideas?

What "Trump threads" have I created?

I am interested in the truth. If you have evidence that what JTB said is true, by all means provide it. I am not defending Trump. But if it is a lie, another smear job, I will stand against that.

Why is it that when I ask for evidence and citations you provide smear jobs and hack jobs. The only quote you provide that equals what JTB said is from Kinzinger, a person who has tried to destroy Trump, and a book that could have been written by the deep state for all I know. Who wrote it?

exactly why are you always advertising for him?
on Christian forums?

do you think it is God's will that Christians should support & empower Trump, yes or no?

do you believe voting for Trump is doing the will of Christ, yes or no?

Why would I hypothesize without evidence, it would be labeled as a conspiracy theory. There are a hundred possible explanations for why they exist.

i established that a pattern of thought & behaviour in American evangelical/apostolic/charismatic churchianity that is completely congruous with @JTB's assessment.

that's all i needed to do

there is abundant evidence. you live in exactly that kind of media blitz full of that evidence.
we are not called to turn off our brains.

why does a publisher, whose aim is to make a lot of money by appealing to a large market share, decide a book that literally claims the Bible is about Donald Trump the Christ is worth printing?

do you believe publicly supporting Donald Trump and raising your voice against any and all of his enemies specifically all over Christian forums is the will of Christ Jesus for your life over the last several years, yes or no?

that's @JTB's point. you need no other evidence than you yourself.

JTB made a very serious statement. If true it would prove the claim that Trump is a cult leader claiming to be Jesus, etc. So of course, as a Christian I want to know if that is true. If it is false then it is equally revealing concerning JTB. Since I am on this forum that also is of interest to me.

What bothers me is when someone makes a very, very serious claim that Trump and his cronies are claiming he is Jesus in the flesh, that instead of being delighted that someone wants to see the evidence they attack you and insult you. This to me is a major red flag. Liars do this all the time, they will make an authoritative claim that they want you to simply accept and when you ask for evidence they become defensive and antagonistic. Fauci did this when he said "to question me is to question science".

God does not care what I think. My opinion is not going to change the fact of whether or not it is God's will. That said if Samson can choose the jawbone of an ass to defeat the enemy then God can choose Trump. I do not presume to tell God what He can and cannot do. I do believe it was God's will that we prayed for Roe v. Wade to be overturned and I do believe that this happening was an answer to our prayers and an expression of God's will. I also believe that this would not have happened had Hillary Clinton been elected in 2016. I have a dual status, I am a Christian and I am also a US citizen. As a US citizen I have every right to support a political party and a candidate. I personally am not affiliated with a party nor do I support any candidate. But that is my choice, I do not impose that on anyone else. If you are a citizen then by all means, let the Lord lead you.

In 2016 I did not have any assurance that I should vote for Trump. I lived in NY so I knew it wouldn't make any difference, NY would vote Democrat and Clinton would get all the electoral votes and that is all that matters. However, I was very clear in my spirit and before God that it would be sinful for me to vote for Hillary Clinton. I knew enough about her to know that it would grieve my conscious to vote for her.

In 2020 it was obvious to me to vote for Trump. There were two choices, a man who hid in the basement, hid his record of being a racist, gloried in his record which was nothing but failure, and appeared to be cognitively impaired and morally impaired (I realized Hunter Biden's laptop was not Russian disinformation and that Biden was lying about that). The other choice was a man who had done a very good job with our economy and had not gotten us into a war. I was also happy that he honored Israel by moving our embassy to Jerusalem and I was happy with the three Supreme court justices he picked. So yes, in that election I gladly voted for him.

I don't like the term "doing the will of Christ" in relation to my voting. I had life and peace in my Spirit when I voted for him.

You established that there are nut jobs in this country who are unstable and will say and do anything.

I have no doubt of that. The issue is did Trump say this, because if he didn't JTB needs to repent for his ungodly slander that he accuses others of. The issue also is if his cronies said this. Steve Bannon is one of his cronies and he has virtually all the other cronies on his show. I have never heard any of them in any way refer to Trump in this way. They think he is a good leader, a strong leader, someone with vision and very skilled and capable. Bannon is a devout Catholic and never speaks of Trump's faith or his salvation status, much less describing him as some kind of cult leader. The same is true of all the others he has on the show that were in his administration.

Mike Lindell is a different case. His salvation experience plays a major role in his life today. It is the center of his testimony, the center of the book he wrote, the center of the business he built up. It was a bold thing for him to say that he felt that God had chosen Trump. But the evidence is there, would we have moved the embassy to Jerusalem during the jubilee if Clinton were president, no. Would we have picked three pro life supreme court justices who then overthrew Roe v. Wade if Clinton were president, no. Was Trump's election in 2016 miraculous? I think that is true. Was RBG dying giving Trump that third Justice to pick miraculous? I think that is true.

When have I ever publicly supported Donald Trump? You confuse voting for someone with campaigning for them. I have not campaigned for him, I do not have a yard sign, I do not have a bumper sticker.

I had no idea that asking for JTB to back up a very, very serious allegation with a reference was "raising my voice against any and all of his enemies". I definitely don't think it is the will of Jesus for anyone to view Trump or Biden as "their enemy". We have one enemy, Satan. Everyone else that might be described as an enemy can also be considered a gospel prospect. I would love to see Hunter Biden repent and be saved and come to the full knowledge of Jesus Christ. Same is true of Biden and Harris and anyone else.

What I will raise my voice against is slander and libel. I don't care if you are slandering Biden or Trump or Clinton. If you were to say this about Clinton I would want to see the citation, just as I would if you said it about Biden. Yes, I believe this is a stance I must take if I am to be faithful to the Lord Jesus.

Red flags and liars

If anyone has been following the last ten or so posts I will summarize. JTB made a very, very important claim. He said that Trump and his cronies claim that Trump is Jesus on the ballot using Trump's name. This claim is the foundation for calling those that are currently active as "MAGA" or populists or conservative right wing voters a cult that worships Trump. If this claim is true then it really does expose half of the country as being influenced by a cult leader. So I asked to see a citation, refer to something that Trump and his cronies said that would show this claim is true.

JTB's first response was to feign shock that anyone would ask for that and say he was "done". Like a drive by shooting I say that Trump claims to be Jesus incarnate and then he is done and refuses to show us this fantastic quote. This would be a very big support to JTB's claim that Trump is the antichrist. But when I said no, I need to see your citation JTB put me on ignore? Wow, instead of being thrilled to have a chance to win another convert to his absurd conspiracy theory that Trump is the antichrist, something that does not align with scripture in the least, no instead he put me on ignore.

But then he did provide a clip less than 2 minutes long of Mike Lindell where Mike says that he had the sense from the Lord that God had chosen Trump as an answer to our prayers. This did not in any way support JTB's claim. Samson chose the jawbone of an ass to defeat the Midianites, doesn't mean the Jawbone of an ass is Jesus incarnate. There is no evidence that anyone in Israel worshipped that Jawbone. But I then pointed out that in many ways Mike Lindell's bold statement has been proven true: moving the embassy to Jerusalem and the overturning of Roe V. Wade being two examples of how the prayers of Christians were answered by Trump being chosen as president.

But Posthuman came to the rescue and provided citations. These citations proved that comparing Donald Trump to the jawbone of an ass was a valid comparison. However, none of the quotes from him or his cronies claimed he was Jesus incarnate. Adam Kinzinger, a man dedicated to destroying Trump did, and there is a book that appears to be another way to attack Trump did. So instead of Trump or his cronies making this claim, it is his enemies trying to smear him that make this claim.

But then I am accused of everything under the sun. Why am I attacking them? Asking for a citation is now viewed as an attack. Why have I started all these threads that are pro trump? I was not aware that I had started any threads that were pro Trump. Why am I campaigning for him? I'm not. Think about this, you take something that JTB said seriously and want to see the evidence and they say you are attacking them and are pro Trump. Really, maybe if you provided the evidence I could conclude to be anti Trump? Why wouldn't that be your conclusion? Fauci did the same thing when he said to question him is to question science. This is a major red flag for a liar.

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.