THOSE OF THE NEW EARTH

For years I struggled with this "new earth" teaching many people of God put forth. I always knew in my heart that there was a difference between this teaching and what the Holy Spirit revealed to me long ago.

Some years ago, I finally came to understand what the Holy Spirit was teaching me, and I finally realized how the teaching was Biblical. However, I also understood that those of us who believe we will be in heaven, in Gods Kingdom is also Biblical, and I could accept both as Truth.

There are two Scriptures that the Holy Spirit kept bringing to my heart and mind to understand and see how this is true.

John, Chapter 4:
23) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
24) God is a spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.

Matthew, Chapter 18:
18) Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Many will read these Scriptures and not have a spiritual understanding of them, or how they come to explain the two Teachings I mentioned above. Many will deny what I am saying, and that is to be expected: because many have "bound" themselves to the earthly understanding of Scripture. And that is the key of understanding that the Holy Spirit unlocked my heart with to see how they do explain the truth of the two Teachings.

Many believers "bind" themselves to the earthly understanding of Scripture by never receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. And it is only with His indwelling presence that any believer can achieve spiritual understanding of Scripture. While the Holy Spirit will still try to guide them through the Word of God, and reveal to them its earthly understanding, He cannot reveal to them the full depth of the Word until they receive His indwelling presence.

God does not make this choice for believers. They themselves make that choice with what they "bind" and what they "loose." When they "bind" themselves to the earthly understanding of Scripture, it is recorded in the Book of Life, and it is "bound" in heaven that they shall spend eternity with that level of understanding. This means that they will become citizens of the New Earth that God shall prepare for them. They will still spend eternity in joy! For on that New Earth there will be no tears, no sorrow, no suffering, and no death. It will be heaven on earth for them.

By "binding" this however, they "loosed" the chance to reside in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Himself has prepared mansions for those who accepted the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, and achieved spiritual understanding of Scripture through Him. They will never see the golden streets, or the beautiful mansions Jesus built, or eat of the Tree of Life, or see the pure water of life that flows from the Throne of God. Revelation, Chapter 22, verses 1 through 5 fully explains what this entails.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

This Heaven is what awaits those who accepted the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit into their hearts, and achieved spiritual understanding of Scripture. For these believers achieved the ability to truly worship God in "spirit" and in truth.

They that "loose" the earthly understanding, and "bind" the heavenly understanding of the Word of God will see all that is promised in Revelation! They WILL SEE THE FACE OF GOD!

Many will ridicule me for what I have written, and that is why I have struggled all night with the decision to publish this on CC. The Holy Spirit kept touching my heart, and reminded me how many, many peoples ridiculed Jesus when He was preaching His Gospel here on this earth. Many, many hated Him, and they crucified Him! He reminded me that I would never be hated and ridiculed by as many as did so to Jesus Himself. He also reminded me that He was with me, and no amount of hate or ridicule could harm me, for He was my Protector, Teacher, and Comforter.

Those who read this may not believe what I am saying, and, to be honest, I am ok with that. Because I know who inspired me to write this and publish this on CC. And I will trust in Him, and follow His guidance!

In closing, I want to say that the main reason these two Teachings differ is because of the understanding of the Epistles of the Apostle Paul. All of what the Apostle wrote was "inspired by the Holy Spirit," but not all was commandments from God. Much of what the Apostle wrote was his teachings on how to live a life here on earth with as little problems as possible. He gave many examples of how believers could find a peaceful existence here on earth if they followed what he taught. However, this "inspired" advice is not the Commandments of God!

Those that read with earthly understanding will teach the Apostles Epistles with earthly understanding; and those that read with spiritual understanding will teach the Apostles Epistles with spiritual understanding. The Apostle spoke of these two types of believers in 1 Corinthians, Chapter 3:
And I, brethern, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto you were not able to bear it, neither yet are ye able.
(these reveal the believers who have not received the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit which gives them spiritual understanding of Scripture. It does not mean they are not saved, and heirs to the Promise, it means that they are "bound" to the earthly understanding of Scripture. If they choose to remain "bound" as such, they will become the citizens of the New Earth)

For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal and walk as men? For while one sayeth I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(these two verses reveal why there are so many Denominations and differing understandings of Scripture)

All the way back in the Book of Proverbs we can learn how these two can become reality. The Third Chapter says:
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths.

All believers who are part of the Family of God, and Heirs to the Promise will have an eternity of JOY! The choice they must make is where will that eternity be spent? On the New Earth, or in the Kingdom of God? Whatsoever they "bind" themselves to here on earth, will be "bound" to them in Heaven. Whatsoever they "loose" themselves to here on earth, will be "loosened" to them in Heaven.

Believed or not, the Holy Spirit has spent all night and this morning laying on my heart to write these words and put them forth here on CC.
My prayer is that someone will read what I have written and the Holy Spirit will touch their heart, and they will open their heart to Him and receive Him into their heart.
My prayer is that they will choose to "loose" the earthly understanding of Scripture, and "bind" themselves to the spiritual understanding of Scripture, and fully feast on the meat of the Word of God. They can only achieve this by receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit!

p.r.

Heaven is where Jesus is (and will be.)

Revelation 21:1 Context

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The above does not, of course, involve those who have been cast into the Lake of Fire.

Do you see any chance the Holy Spirit was leading you to publish on CC not to confirm but to lead because you got stuck understanding incorrectly and weren't open after that?

EVEN if you are wrong, The Lord is still there AND maybe you are being lead to publish for that very reason. We go from milk to meat and THAT requires change. Are you saying that if someone was introduced to the milk of the Word, and died before they ever got to the meat understanding, they would for all eternity only be allowed that amount of JOY? Does that sound right? So those the 'tower of Siloam' fell on though no bigger sinners than anyone else are STUCK for all eternity with what understanding they had received?

What about

Joel 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Do you think the 'limitations' of this FLESH body we have for less than 100 years should be the deciding factor? This sinful flesh prone to all sorts of limitations beyond our control?

When you think about the Lords day when

Praise the Lord you listen and can hear. Only we can't always be sure WHY or the direction, can we? Some times it is to teach and sometimes it is to be taught, as least that is what I have found to be TRUE for me anyhow.


What I would like to ask you is, if you believe what is being spoken of here is Jesus telling the woman that RIGHT NOW a change is taking place. SALVATION which came to the Jews under the law though still in effect at the moment, is about to give way to the New Covenant as the HOLY SPIRIT was about to be sent into the world and was COMING to pass in HER present time? (in which SALVATION would no longer require one to be perfect under the law to be saved from death, but by the grace of God through FAITH and that Salvation was coming to ALL by the willing blood of the Lamb slain to whomsoever would)


John 4:21 Greek
Says to her Jesus Believe Me woman, that is coming an hour when neither on the mountain this nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father

You worship what not you know; we worship what we know for salvation of the Jews is

But is coming an hour and now is when the TRUE worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth also for the Father such seeks who worship Him

Spirit God [is] and those worshiping Him in spirit and truth it behooves to worship





THE HOLY SPIRIT is being sent to dwell within us, is how I understand this. And you?


John 16:5 But now I go My way to Him that sent Me; and none of you asketh Me, Whither goest Thou?

John 16:6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 16:8 And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me;

John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see mMe no more;

John 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

John 16:13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

John 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

John 16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

John 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

John 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

John 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

John 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

Thank you for sharing what you did.

Your post brought to mind this passage of scripture:

Ephesians 1:15-21
15 "Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come."

I find that true revelation, to the carnally-minded (not "evil" but "immature"), often is perceived as heresy. The spiritually-minded have always faced persecution from the religious institution that, above all else, seeks to preserve itself and its hegemony over the thoughts of the people.

Having gone back to thoroughly read you post you highlight two different camps of believers:

1. Those who say the gospel is about going to heaven when we die.
2. Those who understand the gospel is about representation: where, in Christ, the saints present the Father and the Lord.

For the first, merely being born-again is enough. For the latter, submitting ourselves to the Lord as living sacrifices is required, so that we may learn obedience by the things we suffer: being transformed from glory to glory so that we may grow into the standard that is Christ.

"Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron."

In this revelation, those who are in Christ are included in "He Himself" (we are His flesh and His bones). And the "rod of iron" is an enduring, eternal standard that cannot be modified or broken. Only those who submitted themselves to the Lord to be matured and to be conformed to this standard may properly represent this rulership.

it’s just a matter of what time it is brother

we in earth now if we believe the gospel when we die the first death go to be with Jesus in heaven where his kingdom is now until he returns there’s going to be a transition when Jesus comes back this world and everything created in it has to end .

first before that happens Godbhas sent the gospel into all creation that’s going to end , in order that anyone who believes the gospel will be saved before that day even those still alive that day when he returns have to be changed from this current earthly state

so one day

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but thier earthly body isnt what is caught up we have to be translated into a spiritual glorified form

“But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:35, 44, 49-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Those believers still alive when Jesus returns are going to be changed instantly and she’s tbier flesh and blood this is nt ong to save us from the destruction of all creation because we’ve left our body made of this earth behind and have taken up the glorified body promised by Jesus in the gospel and new testsment

It’s why he makes everything new this entire creation is doomed and cursed to a violent end by fire , to save us he makes us part of a new creation made also of the promises of Jesus new promised land the reason I went on here was to bring your attention, here

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s a time when Jesus kingdom is in heaven it’s why we can’t look and see him on his throne here and now heaven and earth are seperated now chaos and evil on earth , but in heaven Jesus and his kingdom is reigning

What I mean is heaven is already new and the kingdom has come there where Jesus and his believers spiritual bodies are now but at the same time earth is in conflict with Satan and his influence trying to keep us from entering the kingdom in heaven when we die trying to keep us as part of this doomed to fire creation rether than becoming new in Christ what I mean is creation is simultaneous in two different states heaven and earth

“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s trying to keep us from inheriting the kingdom but eventually Jesus will destroy this earth with fire and all it’s works everything of the first creation will be gone and then he will restore the kingdom in heaven to earth because remember in the beginning , God also dwelt on earth with man in Eden ? Then man sinned and corrupted earth , and God withdrew into the heavens , later he’s going to restore creations original order and we will get new bodies created from a new earth where he once again dwells with man In a paradise called earth

we have two creations the second happens backwards forst man is re created and they are multiplied by the gospel to fill the new earth the. They are taken into heaven when they die until everyone is gathered and then he’s going to bring his new creation forth and the old will burn up

what’s in heaven is going to restore the new earth and bring us new eternal bodies to dwell in an earthly paradise without sin and death with the lord in his body walking among us as was his original design

“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the kingdom in heaven is only until the restoration of all things

I agree that we shall be moving around a bit, but there is one wonderful constant:


1 Thessalonians 4:17
“Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

Up in Rapture, return with Him to reign, then on into New Jerusalem forevermore. PTL!

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Where has our wee elephant gone? .