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Thewatchman

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Why is it so hard to understand that there is a difference between world and earth in the bible. We have one world it is the 3rd planet from our sun, and there are 3 earth ages. The one that was, the one that is and the one to come. It takes wisdom to understand this. Wisdom was the first thing God created she has been with God from the very beginning of time.

Proverbs 8:19-29 copied from BibleHub.com (you should read the whole chapter.)

19My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Before there was anything else there was wisdom and without the wisdom of God you will never understand the deeper things of God that will give you the strong foundation to stand until the end. Especially in these end times The time of the generation of the Fig Tree

Job 38

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
This would be the same whirlwind (vehicle) that God used to visit Ezekiel in chapter 1.


2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
God answered Job. How did He answer him; With a question. Why? We have to back up to Job 36 verses 3&4 Elihu said 3.“I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker. 4.For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.” He was making himself out to be a spokesmen for God saying I have the real truth of God so listen up to me. He was nothing but a bag full of hot air; He was like a lot of pastors today as God was giving a warning to Job that same warning is for us today. Be on the lookout for the blowhards that say I have the word of God. Make sure they are not an Elihu or like the other two “friends” but really do come with the truth. WHICH GOD IS GOING TO GIVE US.

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job stand up put your big boy pants on and we are going to have a talk.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
I am making an assumption that at least Elihu is there with Job, the other two may or may not. God is ask them and us; Where where you when I laid the the foundations of this earth age. God is letting Elihu that everything he said came from his own mind and heart not Gods. It is also a warning to Job and us to beware we get our teaching

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Who has laid out the universes who has placed the planets in there orbits, who has placed the stars and the constellations

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
How is it that the planets stay in orbit but there is nothing holding them there; Who laid the corner stone of the universe? God is letting them and us know that our knowledge, our ability to figure things is nothing compared to Him.

This next verse is very important.
Verse 7. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Remember God is asking the question here. When was it that the morning stars and the sons of God (including Satan.) shouted for Joy. That would have to be before this world age. Satan is not singing with God at this time. He was not singing with God after the flood that destroyed the heavens and the earth of verse 1 of the book of Genesis. There must have been a lot going on during the time between verse 1&2 of Genesis chapter 1. For some reason Christians today just turn a blind eye and ear to this part of God's word and say the earth is only 6,000 years old. This earth age is only about 6,000 years old.

Ephesians 1:3-5 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 
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Why is it so hard to understand that there is a difference between world and earth in the bible.


Faith is like one of those domino topple games. Knock down one piece and everything after it becomes suspect so don't let that piece get knocked down becomes the game.

EVERYONE KNOWS there was an age before this one, whether they are willing to admit it or not.

SATAN in the garden.

I knew you before...

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


The list goes on and on and on. Do you know WHAT in peoples understanding would be changed by acknowledging this?

Don't the 'last days' beginning back when the New Covenant was brought in tell you that there is a period of more than 4000 years in play here? IDK. It sure did OPEN up a ton of understanding for me so much of what I used to gloss over made sense and so many conflicts were resolved. Do you remember what verse it was that made everything fall into place OR SHOULD I SAY, what the last piece of here a little there a little you received before the Holy Spirit laid it all out for you? Mine was

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


And there is was all along. THE EARTH sitting there in the darkness all null and void,

and God said Let there be light

and it SHINED UPON THE EARTH, the earth ALREADY THERE. God didn't say anything like He did in Job and there is NO DARKNESS when the sons of God are watching it being created.
 

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Why is it so hard to understand that there is a difference between world and earth in the bible. We have one world it is the 3rd planet from our sun, and there are 3 earth ages. The one that was, the one that is and the one to come. It takes wisdom to understand this. Wisdom was the first thing God created she has been with God from the very beginning of time.

Proverbs 8:19-29 copied from BibleHub.com (you should read the whole chapter.)

19My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.

20I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:

21That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.

22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Before there was anything else there was wisdom and without the wisdom of God you will never understand the deeper things of God that will give you the strong foundation to stand until the end. Especially in these end times The time of the generation of the Fig Tree

Job 38

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
This would be the same whirlwind (vehicle) that God used to visit Ezekiel in chapter 1.


2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
God answered Job. How did He answer him; With a question. Why? We have to back up to Job 36 verses 3&4 Elihu said 3.“I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker. 4.For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.” He was making himself out to be a spokesmen for God saying I have the real truth of God so listen up to me. He was nothing but a bag full of hot air; He was like a lot of pastors today as God was giving a warning to Job that same warning is for us today. Be on the lookout for the blowhards that say I have the word of God. Make sure they are not an Elihu or like the other two “friends” but really do come with the truth. WHICH GOD IS GOING TO GIVE US.

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job stand up put your big boy pants on and we are going to have a talk.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
I am making an assumption that at least Elihu is there with Job, the other two may or may not. God is ask them and us; Where where you when I laid the the foundations of this earth age. God is letting Elihu that everything he said came from his own mind and heart not Gods. It is also a warning to Job and us to beware we get our teaching

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Who has laid out the universes who has placed the planets in there orbits, who has placed the stars and the constellations

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
How is it that the planets stay in orbit but there is nothing holding them there; Who laid the corner stone of the universe? God is letting them and us know that our knowledge, our ability to figure things is nothing compared to Him.

This next verse is very important.
Verse 7. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Remember God is asking the question here. When was it that the morning stars and the sons of God (including Satan.) shouted for Joy. That would have to be before this world age. Satan is not singing with God at this time. He was not singing with God after the flood that destroyed the heavens and the earth of verse 1 of the book of Genesis. There must have been a lot going on during the time between verse 1&2 of Genesis chapter 1. For some reason Christians today just turn a blind eye and ear to this part of God's word and say the earth is only 6,000 years old. This earth age is only about 6,000 years old.

Ephesians 1:3-5 3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
I.e. "The Gap THeory".
 

Thewatchman

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Faith is like one of those domino topple games. Knock down one piece and everything after it becomes suspect so don't let that piece get knocked down becomes the game.

EVERYONE KNOWS there was an age before this one, whether they are willing to admit it or not.

SATAN in the garden.

I knew you before...

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


The list goes on and on and on. Do you know WHAT in peoples understanding would be changed by acknowledging this?

Don't the 'last days' beginning back when the New Covenant was brought in tell you that there is a period of more than 4000 years in play here? IDK. It sure did OPEN up a ton of understanding for me so much of what I used to gloss over made sense and so many conflicts were resolved. Do you remember what verse it was that made everything fall into place OR SHOULD I SAY, what the last piece of here a little there a little you received before the Holy Spirit laid it all out for you? Mine was

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


And there is was all along. THE EARTH sitting there in the darkness all null and void,

and God said Let there be light

and it SHINED UPON THE EARTH, the earth ALREADY THERE. God didn't say anything like He did in Job and there is NO DARKNESS when the sons of God are watching it being created.
I am with you the knowlage there are no works for it
 

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Faith is like one of those domino topple games. Knock down one piece and everything after it becomes suspect so don't let that piece get knocked down becomes the game.

EVERYONE KNOWS there was an age before this one, whether they are willing to admit it or not.

SATAN in the garden.

I knew you before...

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


The list goes on and on and on. Do you know WHAT in peoples understanding would be changed by acknowledging this?

Don't the 'last days' beginning back when the New Covenant was brought in tell you that there is a period of more than 4000 years in play here? IDK. It sure did OPEN up a ton of understanding for me so much of what I used to gloss over made sense and so many conflicts were resolved. Do you remember what verse it was that made everything fall into place OR SHOULD I SAY, what the last piece of here a little there a little you received before the Holy Spirit laid it all out for you? Mine was

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


And there is was all along. THE EARTH sitting there in the darkness all null and void,

and God said Let there be light

and it SHINED UPON THE EARTH, the earth ALREADY THERE. God didn't say anything like He did in Job and there is NO DARKNESS when the sons of God are watching it being created.
“Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural;

and afterward that which is spiritual.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

first the natural


In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1-4‬ ‭KJ

then the spiritual

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3, 5, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

First the natural and then the spiritual

“it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:44‬ ‭KJV‬

first the natural will be removed and then the spiritual will be known

“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made,

that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the natural will end and the spirit will endure

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


there is the creation we can see the natural creation created from the beginning and then the res a spiritual creation not created from the beginning

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:

and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one creation is bound to perish by Gods word the natural the corrupt , but there’s a new creation in his promise that’s not going to end when the natural does

there’s a natural creation and a spiritual creation , there’s one we see this one

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”

and one we can’t see but by faith hearing about it and believing

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

one creation God made in the beginning is going to be destroyed by fire according to his word


“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the other creation the one Jesus is telling us about in the gospel that one is going to be forever

“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬


throughout scriptire God reflects on both creations one is doomed because of sin the other exists in his promise and must be heard and believed on

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One is doomed but we Christian’s have hope
 
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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
Keep on coming, I'll be here, and I have studied to show myself approved. HERE is you very first problem

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


Does that earth that is without form and void IN GEN 1 IN ANY WAY RESEMBLE
THE EARTH that GOD formed, and made, and established, AND created NOT in vain, but created to be inhabited IN ISAIAH 45?


WHEN GOD created the earth, THE SONS OF GOD WATCHED. THEY were SPIRITUAL because there was NO EARTH to be formed of, WAS THERE?

SO MUCH FOR NATURAL BEFORE SPIRITUAL. YOU obviously are giving those words a meaning GOD DIDN'T GIVE THEM.



Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING SO FAR that makes you think of the earth being null and void and without light and darkness upon the deep?


Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

DO YOU SEE the thick darkness coming in BEFORE THE LIGHT? As you are reading what GOD IS SAYING are you seeing this happening in 'darkness' or does your minds eye see it in the LIGHT OF GOD?

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?



Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?



When you get done figuring out how to get around all that, GO TO THE HEBREW and look at the WORDS because when you do make it to the ORIGINAL language, you will find it IMPOSSIBLE to make it say ANYTHING ELSE.
 

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Faith is like one of those domino topple games. Knock down one piece and everything after it becomes suspect so don't let that piece get knocked down becomes the game.

EVERYONE KNOWS there was an age before this one, whether they are willing to admit it or not.

SATAN in the garden.

I knew you before...

I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


The list goes on and on and on. Do you know WHAT in peoples understanding would be changed by acknowledging this?

Don't the 'last days' beginning back when the New Covenant was brought in tell you that there is a period of more than 4000 years in play here? IDK. It sure did OPEN up a ton of understanding for me so much of what I used to gloss over made sense and so many conflicts were resolved. Do you remember what verse it was that made everything fall into place OR SHOULD I SAY, what the last piece of here a little there a little you received before the Holy Spirit laid it all out for you? Mine was

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


And there is was all along. THE EARTH sitting there in the darkness all null and void,

and God said Let there be light

and it SHINED UPON THE EARTH, the earth ALREADY THERE. God didn't say anything like He did in Job and there is NO DARKNESS when the sons of God are watching it being created.
The light shone before the sun, moon, and stars even existed.

John 1:5
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
 
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The light shone before the sun, moon, and stars even existed.

John 1:5
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

Where did the DARKNESS come from? God is light.


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 
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It wasn't - "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Next question??
That can't be your answer to HOW the earth was sitting in the darkness all tohu va bohu when God didn't create it that way, could it? Must have been a different question.

Back to the earth hanging out in the darkness before God said let there be light.

GOD either created the earth " without form, and void " which HE SAYS HE DID NOT DO

OR

God created the earth to be inhabited, formed, etc. which HE says HE DID DO

SINCE GOD says He didn't create it that way and BUT ALSO tells us it was found that way

How can anyone say THAT ISN'T WRITTEN when in fact it is?










The FIRST WORDS GOD UTTERS "in the beginning', ARE

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


And the light shines and THERE IT IS


the earth.


WHEN did it come from? How did it get there?



Are you saying when God said let there be light


HE REALLY MEANT LET THERE BE AN EARTH IN THE LIGHT THAT IS NULL AND VOID?
 
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It wasn't - "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Next question??
THE EARTH HE CREATED WASN'T NULL AND VOID.

HE TELLS US RIGHT HERE THAT IT WASN'T NULL AND VOID WHEN HE CREATED IT.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

THEN HE TELLS US IT WAS NULL AND VOID WHEN HE CALLED THE LIGHT TO SHINE
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

I am trying to SHOW the problem the best way I know how.

Do you see in Isaiah where GOD tells us he did not create the earth null and void?

Do you see when He says 'let there be light' that the earth is NOW null and void?

When did the earth go from the created state of being formed to be inhabited to the state of being found null and void?
 

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Where did the DARKNESS come from? God is light.


1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Isaiah 45:7
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the Lord who does all these things.
 

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What‘s the issue of contention here?

1 world… 3 earth ages…?

There are several meanings of the word “world” in the scriptures. So I’m not sure what you mean by “1 world”.
 
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When did the earth go from the created state of being formed to be inhabited to the state of being found null and void?
WHY does GOD make it a point to show THE EARTH in a null and void state and then SHOW SATAN in the garden, and then tell us that there was a time in HEAVEN that Satan ruled nations.
Isaiah 45:7
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the Lord who does all these things.
Still doesn't explain the EARTH being NULL and void when GOD SAYS I DIDN'T CREATE IT THAT WAY.
 

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WHY does GOD make it a point to show THE EARTH in a null and void state and then SHOW SATAN in the garden, and then tell us that there was a time in HEAVEN that Satan ruled nations.


Still doesn't explain the EARTH being NULL and void when GOD SAYS I DIDN'T CREATE IT THAT WAY.
Genesis 1-5
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was a formless and desolate emptiness, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

If we stop here. The Spirit of God is hovering over the surface of the waters.

The earth exists but we are not told the precise time for the creation of the earth.

The first day is yet to be announced, to be initiated.

At this point, time does not exist as we know it, no arrow of time.

Hence, the earth exists and is utterly null and void. The sun, the moon, the stars do not exist.

Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.” And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Once the Light is introduced into the dark void of creation, the arrow of time commences. The clock is ticking, one day at a time.

Satan was not created within this quantum world that we inhabit. Satan was cast down from heaven onto the earth.

The earth was null and void of life but after the true light shines, the earth can be inhabited.

We cannot understand time frames beyond our basic understanding of time itself.

God did not intend that the earth should be null and void. As the creation narrative explains.
 

Mem

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Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
God answered Job. How did He answer him; With a question. Why? We have to back up to Job 36 verses 3&4 Elihu said 3.“I will fetch my knowledge from afar, and will ascribe righteousness to my Maker. 4.For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.” He was making himself out to be a spokesmen for God saying I have the real truth of God so listen up to me. He was nothing but a bag full of hot air; He was like a lot of pastors today as God was giving a warning to Job that same warning is for us today. Be on the lookout for the blowhards that say I have the word of God. Make sure they are not an Elihu or like the other two “friends” but really do come with the truth. WHICH GOD IS GOING TO GIVE US.
I am making an assumption that at least Elihu is there with Job, the other two may or may not. God is ask them and us; Where where you when I laid the the foundations of this earth age. God is letting Elihu that everything he said came from his own mind and heart not Gods. It is also a warning to Job and us to beware we get our teaching
There is a school of thought that connects to Elihu being the young Elijah that, imo, is quite convincing so I'm not sure you have an accurate characterization of Elihu here.
Make sure they are not an Elihu or like the other two “friends” but really do come with the truth.
The LORD's rebuke is directed toward these three "friends".
Job 42:9
So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the LORD had told them; and the LORD accepted Job’s request.
And Job 32 begins with Elihu rebuking those three before commencing his rebuke of Job in 33, comfirms God's justice in 34, recalls it in 35, describes His power in 36, and proclaims His majesty in 37.
Then, from there, the LORD addresses Job from the whirlwind.

The LORD Challenges Job

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:

2“Who is this who obscures My counsel

by words without knowledge?

3Now brace yourself like a man;

I will question you, and you shall inform Me.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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THE EARTH HE CREATED WASN'T NULL AND VOID.

HE TELLS US RIGHT HERE THAT IT WASN'T NULL AND VOID WHEN HE CREATED IT.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

THEN HE TELLS US IT WAS NULL AND VOID WHEN HE CALLED THE LIGHT TO SHINE
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

I am trying to SHOW the problem the best way I know how.

Do you see in Isaiah where GOD tells us he did not create the earth null and void?

Do you see when He says 'let there be light' that the earth is NOW null and void?

When did the earth go from the created state of being formed to be inhabited to the state of being found null and void?
After a previous creation that was JUDGED, of course. "Tohu", and "Bohu" (formless and void) when found together invariably speak of the destructive results of JUDGEMENT. i.e. the "Gap Theory".

There's no telling HOW MANY creations there have been on this dirt ball before the Adamic creation. 6000 years or so ago.

You're presenting one of the primary arguments FOR the "Gap Theory".