Speaking in Tongues

Thanks for this reply. I am only seeking truth and don't want to have any opinion other than God's truth. Pagans historically and biblically did glossolalia before Christians so in itself glossolalia isn't proof of the Holy Spirit. We are commanded to verify spirits. We are also told to judge by the fruits. Although a relatively small sample, the modern tongue speakers we know have a holier than thou (puffed up) attitude.

My wife and I since we believed, hate sin that creeps into our lives. We love all of God's Word. We love fellow members of the body of Christ (our prayer life needs improving, should pray always, and struggle to love our persecutors so still sinners...). Are you saying we don't have the Holy Spirit because we don't perform glossolalia? Are you saying modern tongue speakers we know who display pride and jealousy and little love are filled with the Holy Spirit?

We have acquaintances in Qigong who display most of the behaviors of the modern tongue speakers. See chart. We pray daily for physical and spiritual protection knowing the lion roaming around seeking who he can devour. We also thank God for all His continued blessings through Jesus Christ.

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always they forget that Paul said do not forbid speaking in tongues

they are so busy doing that very thing, they have no time to look a little further

Generally speaking, tongue talkers and Charismatics don't understand the scripture. They have a lot of head knowledge and can quote scriptures backwards and forwards but they don't have a true understanding of what it means or how to understand it. The reason for this is simple: they base their understanding of scripture on their experiences. That is, they have an experience and then look for scriptures to support their experience rather than truly understanding the scripture and then basing their experiences on truth. This leads to errors one after another.

“2 - It is for the edification of the individual Believer FIRST and FOREMOST.”

where do we learn this in scripture ?

“For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:14‬

how is it benefiting the person ? If no one knows what’s being said even the person saying it ? Sort of Paul’s point there without us having to explain anything else.

Is there any scripture to tell us the benefit ? I’m actually asking if your aware of any scriptures that tell us about the benefit to the individual in personally not aware of many explaining any of that but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there

do you know of any scriptures saying what your saying there about the gift of tongues ? I always sort of require scripture for anything to make much sense

I would say every spiritual gift is for the entire body even tongues and for it to be beneficial it needs interpretation even if the persons alone it still
Isn’t going to benefit them just babbling and not knowing what they are saying pauls Making the point not me

As far as tongues being an I dividuao
Benefit I’m not sure hate in scriptire it seems a gift meant for the edifying of the church If there’s an interpretation

“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:28-31‬

I’m not sure any of us actually understand the gift of tongues I know I don’t completely understand it but also the res a lot we can learn about it if we study the subject in scriptire

let’s do that brother let’s talk about what the scriptures explain about tongues

the first point it seems to appear is here

“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:4, 6-8, 11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then again

“And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:45-46‬ ‭

what can we learn out tongues from those two examples ? And the. What can we learn from the rest of the New Testament about tongues ?

that’s sort of where my Mind is brother we all have opinions and beliefs yours are respected and appreciated but what can the Bible explain about these many things we all have thoughts about ?

Whoa ... tongues are not a requirement

nor proof of having received eternal life.

As they were , they were among gifts that not all had. Believers in a church had different gifts to compliment that parts of the local church body. So some wouldn't be speaking in tongues but would have the gift of knowledge for example.

The evidence of having received the Holy Spirit individually is the fruits of the Spirit like patience, love, hope, brotherly kindness etc..

You probably are meaning something I am missing here.

Was this wishful thinking?

1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

When a person speaks in tongues, he KNOWS he has the gift of the Holy Spirit, that he is a child of God. Saved.

The need for the various gifts which Paul equated to the human body was needed then, but not now. Why was there prophecy, because there was no written word to guide, and tongues to convince the nonbelievers, also because there was nothing else to do so. The various body memebers which had various gifts were necessary then. Not now. We have the bible and no longer need prophecy. The word is complete and it's the entire revelation.

The unity of the faith then is clear. It was due to the division they were already expierencing, i e.; I am of Apollos, or I am of Cephas, etc. The letter was to them to address their issues, not us and not based on some yet future event, so it must be looked at accordingly.
We no longer know in part as they did, hence the individual gifts, which were in part. We have the complete word of God and no longer need piece meal gifts.

Yes, the sign gifts were associated with an immature Christianity.

The unity of the faith is in the completed New Testament.

The process of inspiration was still going on then and now is finished. The apostles passed and early churches set up.

And yes.. when Paul says desire to speak in tongues.. it is to the church of Corinth then. Not to us now..

unless there is nothing limiting its use, but there is with inspiration of the Scriptures finished.

A key thing though is getting these gifts defined rightly. From that point, then it is clearer what has happened to them.

Noted... But spiritually and doctrinally, we're the same as they were. 1 Cor 14 applies to us today, just as it applied to them.

Whoa ... tongues are not a requirement nor proof of having received eternal life.

Any particular verse?

Why not the entire chapter?

So "no need" for "Wisdom", "Knowledge", "Discerning of Spirits", "Physical Healing", "FAITH", or "Miracles" in 2022!!!

WHO KNEW!!!

Chuckle!!!

What I believe is based on what is revealed in scripture. There are many scriptures that confirm that those who received the indwelling of the Holy Ghost spoke in tongues. The following are ones that come to mind: Acts 2:1-4; 33, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7.

Also, consider something Jesus said that would apply to those who have not spontaneously received the Holy Ghost as was the case of the first Jews and Gentiles. He indicated that it is necessary for some to specifically ask God for the Holy Ghost. "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13) Jesus' instruction answers a truth many refuse to accept. Not all receive the Holy Ghost the instant they believe the gospel message. This is revealed in the Samaritan account. (Acts 8:12-18) And, Paul's question, "Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed?" addressed to twelve individuals from Ephesus. And confirmed by their experience detailed in the ensuing record. (Acts 19:1-6)

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

I did not say it should not be the whole chapter. I was asking if you meant any particular verse.

People often leave the specific verse out of the citation when it is a numbered book such as Corinthians.

The Bible says tongues are of men OR angels. On the day of Pentecost, they were the tongues of men (obviously). The significance of what happened, the outpouring of the gift of the Holy Spirit, was underscored by the fact that the languages the apostles were speaking were the languages of others present. That rarely happens, which is why when a person speaks in tongues in the church, it must be interpreted.


The mysteries are not the languages themselves, but the language the person is speaking is either a language of men or angels.

Hi Magenta...
Genuine question...
Does the bit where John said Fire , mean that Jesus will come at the end in judgement ?...I thought that was what John meant...I know Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit , that is how we are born again through His work in us , but the fire , yes , I thought that was when our Lord comes back...xox...