I think people will be surprised in this election on who wins and who loses.

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ZNP

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No matter what the polls say, GOD will have the final say. Remember also...Eph. 6. [12] "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. "

A person elected to office may have Christian values to begin with, but when the the temptations of power come into play, they can suddenly be tested and change.
It is not reasonable to think our government will express Jesus. What I have seen of human government is that they are like different cartels. It is the Mafia that kills other mafiosos. It is one drug cartel that will kill the members of other drug cartels. Sometimes, as described in Goodfellas, it is one Mafia organization that kills its own members.

What we have seen in human history is that God uses these brutal regimes to discipline His people.

The evidence is overwhelming that Trump worships or at the very least worshipped Moloch and Baal (it is possible that he has repented).

This whole idea of white hats taking on black hats is right out of Freemasonry, that is why their floors are white and black squares.

So to my estimation God is bringing judgment, the deep state knows it which is why they are acting like total thugs and Trump along with the white hats know the playbook which means they have grown up in this criminal gang environment.

Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light so it is absurd to be looking at these candidates as this one "represents my goals". I look at what they do.

1. Do they do what they say? How often were we told that if elected they would do this and that and then when they were elected we got the story about how hard it was to do what they said. Kamala Harris said if elected on Day 1 she would put an end to human rights abuses at the border. She is a liar. Joe Biden said if elected he would squash the Covid virus. He is a liar. When you lie to my face like that you have lost my trust and I will not ever have anything to do with you again.

So then, Trump said he would drain the swamp and at the time it sounded like a cute sound bite, but now, six years later, you have to admit he understood what that meant and he has continued to pursue that goal, perhaps very effectively, that remains to be seen.
 
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I am not arguing pro or con but saying that it happens that some times a woman is put in a very difficult situation and I do feel that the particulars of each situation is unique and beyond the capacity of the most well intentioned outsider to completely comprehend. I'm sure there is plenty of empathy but that's it.

Now we get to the meat of the bone. Stats show that rape/incest/medical are less than 4% of abortions. So now what's the excuse for a Christian to support abortion?
 
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I only make the connection with miscarriage as a possible indication that God being a loving being has a much different view of "life" as we know it.

OT through NT murder has always been wrong. And it wouldn't change outside God's Word.
 
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OT through NT murder has always been wrong. And it wouldn't change outside God's Word.
And the blood of Jesus is efficacious even for murder. The rebellious nature of man is not going to change by legislation. Maybe Jim Bakker with his helping unwed mother's is the answer for some but it is not going to be available to all who need it. I doubt that either party would fully fund that.
 
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Now we get to the meat of the bone. Stats show that rape/incest/medical are less than 4% of abortions. So now what's the excuse for a Christian to support abortion?
Kaylagrl your great passion for this might be directed to something like trying to set up a charity. Maybe even trying it with go fund me. I am serious. I am not much for and don't use any social networks and this just struck me now and maybe it is within the realm of possibilities. Pray about it and I will too.
 

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Maybe foist is an exaggeration. Just that I was tired of seeing those posts,
But it's still a valid question and one maybe others here can opine on.

At what point does sharing your opinion with others become forcing your opinion on others?
 
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Kaylagrl your great passion for this might be directed to something like trying to set up a charity. Maybe even trying it with go fund me. I am serious. I am not much for and don't use any social networks and this just struck me now and maybe it is within the realm of possibilities. Pray about it and I will too.

There are subjects I am direct and passionate about. Some people take that personally, but I mean it as a challenge. I do not mean it as an attack.

Also please don't misunderstand, I have several women on my FB page that had abortions and found forgiveness at the Cross. I believe the doctors are more culpable than most women. Many have been brain washed to believe they are not carrying a baby but a clump of cells.
 
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But it's still a valid question and one maybe others here can opine on.

At what point does sharing your opinion with others become forcing your opinion on others?


Making a forceful doesn't force one to change their opinion. If you can't hold your own then forums are probably not the place for you.
 

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Everything shows the election is a nose to nose race.
Perhaps you are not aware of the statistics outside of polling...

And it's about energy, buzz, and "get out the vote" campaigns.
Which is what that article was pointing to.

Most of America is split 50/50 politically. Granted the cities have been home to Democrats and rural communities are home to Republicans....but that's why we have Senators and House of Representatives and an Electoral College that actually votes for president.

I've known many electors from the Electoral college....it's not that exciting.

But the truth is that those candidates who have the largest "get out the vote" campaigns and energize their base the most will win....regardless of opinion polls.

40% Democrats 40% Republicans and 20% undecided. That's how the USA shakes out...."back pocket politics " plays the largest role unless there is a war effort.

There's going to be a drubbing on Tuesday. But it's false hope IMHO. The Republicans don't have a strong leader in the House of Representatives like Newt Gingrich was. And it's going to take one.

However, the Democrats pushing a low moral agenda of teaching sexual perversion to children is definitely going to backfire. It did in Iran and today they are extremely conservative Muslims as a result.

Pendulum swings both ways....and pushing on it is only a temporary solution that has considerable backlash. Republicans would do well to learn that lesson....unfortunately I don't think they will.
 

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Most of America is split 50/50 politically. Granted the cities have been home to Democrats and rural communities are home to Republicans....but that's why we have Senators and House of Representatives and an Electoral College that actually votes for president.
The electoral college ... making sure some votes count more than others, that the will of the people may be subverted.
 
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The electoral college ... making sure some votes count more than others, that the will of the people may be subverted.

Which is the exact opposite of what the electoral college actually does. I wasn't born in the US and even I know that.
 

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Most of America is split 50/50 politically.
That is what the politicians, pollsters, and media would have you to believe. But there has never been an honest poll in recent history, always skewing numbers in favor of the Democrats.

I believe that the Democrats may only have about 30% support nationwide, and they make up the difference through fraudulent polls and election fraud. Also claiming that Biden has 40% support is preposterous, It may only be 4% multiplied by 10 to make him look good. On the other hand inflation in real terms is probably about 50% but shown as only around 10%. The numbers are all being manipulated on a daily basis, and people should not believe the pollsters. When they talk about neck-to-neck races that is probably wishful thinking.
 
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There are millions of Christians who excuse themselves from voting under various pretexts. If those Christians were to vote, it would be no contest and Conservative Pro-Life Senators etc would win by large majorities. And that even if the Democrats cheated a little, as of course they're going to, but then again, you can only cheat by so much. One should not have confusion or lack of clarity on this issue but fight and vote as if lives and souls depend on this spiritual battle, because indeed they do.

Nuclear World War and the possibility of World War III is coming now as a Chastisement/Judgment upon the world because for nearly 50 years, we have not yet risen up to end abortion. It's good that there's been Pro-Life Progress, but the work now has to be completed, and the coming elections are absolutely critical, for Roe v Wade overturning to be stable and lasting.

God Bless.
 
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See the Stats/Proof here:

"30 million Christians aren’t registered/don’t vote"

https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/30-million-christians-arent-registered-dont-vote/

This is why I oppose so strongly the false opinion that Christians' don't have a moral obligation to vote against death/evil and for God/Life. If all Christians stood together, Commies/Communists/Leftists etc wouldn't stand a chance at all.

"All that is necessary for the Triumph of Evil is for good men to do nothing". The official records claim Biden received some 80 MN votes (probably wrong) and Trump some 75 MN. Just imagine if these 30 MN voted. It would have been no contest.

Trump could have touched 100 MN, and the same would be true of whoever runs for President next. Christians have a duty to use their power and privilege of voting to support Life and to oppose Evil, just like we would have done on Holocaust etc.

God Bless.

Edit: Isa 1:

"16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

22 Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:

23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.

24 Therefore saith the Lord, the Lord of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:

25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:

26 And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city."
 

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That is what the politicians, pollsters, and media would have you to believe. But there has never been an honest poll in recent history, always skewing numbers in favor of the Democrats.

I believe that the Democrats may only have about 30% support nationwide, and they make up the difference through fraudulent polls and election fraud. Also claiming that Biden has 40% support is preposterous, It may only be 4% multiplied by 10 to make him look good. On the other hand inflation in real terms is probably about 50% but shown as only around 10%. The numbers are all being manipulated on a daily basis, and people should not believe the pollsters. When they talk about neck-to-neck races that is probably wishful thinking.
That initial 50/50 I stated is concerning political party leanings....NOT political candidate as I explained in the entirety of the post.

Bidens real approval numbers reflect the "base" of "blue dogs" within the political party. Of course the MSM is a part of that. So they do all they can to encourage their favorite party by reporting what they want.
 
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Maybe GOD has a few surprises coming. Sometimes what we think is a sure thing, GOD turn things another way.

So you believe God would turn this race in favor of abortion, transgender sexualization of children, inflation so high no on can afford to eat, heat their homes or gas their cars. In favor of illegals flooding the border with drugs and crime. Crime in the streets in every major city because they want "equity" and police defunded. Why would God do that?!
 

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So you believe God would turn this race in favor of abortion, transgender sexualization of children, inflation so high no on can afford to eat, heat their homes or gas their cars. In favor of illegals flooding the border with drugs and crime. Crime in the streets in every major city because they want "equity" and police defunded. Why would God do that?!
Well, after 2 years of Biden we are seeing people repent and turn to God. When the people in the past compromised with sin God allowed the Babylonians or Assyrians or Philistines, or Egyptians, or Greeks or Romans to rule over them as a way to bring them to repentance. Now granted, God's people can be a stiff necked people and sometimes you need the Spanish Inquisition or Holocaust to turn them back to God. So I could see God using Biden and Obama and Hillary Clinton to turn His people to prayer and repentance.