Charles Spurgeon: "I believe there will be more in Heaven than in Hell."

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It was surprising to me to read recently that Charles Spurgeon, "the Prince of Preachers" and known to be a conservative theologian, apparently believed that, in the end, there would be more in Heaven than in Hell. Seems surprising, since he also believed in limited atonement. Bible passages and reasoning below. Spurgeon argues from (1) Rev 7:9 where it is said a Great Multitude will finally be saved. Now, since it is nowhere said that there will be a Great Multitude in Hell, Spurgeon argues that the number of the saved must be at least 50%, i.e. greater than those in hell. (2) He also argues from various parables and passages where the Lord says "many" will come and enter the Kingdom from East and West etc. Thoughts on all this, friends?

Article/source below: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/people-saved/

"2. Believers Should Be Hopeful for a Great Salvation
“In the lack of people is the downfall of a prince” (Prov. 14:28). Will God have such a problem? Charles Hodge wrote that, on the basis of God’s electing grace:

We have reason to believe . . . that the number of the finally lost in comparison with the whole number of the saved will be very inconsiderable. Our blessed Lord, when surrounded by the innumerable company of the redeemed, will be hailed as the . . . Savior of Men, as the Lamb that bore the sins of the world.

Of all people, those who affirm the Bible’s teaching on unconditional election have reason to hope for a vast election.
Likewise, Warfield said,

The number of the saved shall in the end be not small but large, and not merely absolutely but comparatively large; . . . to speak plainly, it shall embrace the immensely greater part of the human race.

Finally, Charles Spurgeon preached:

I do abhor from my heart that continual whining of some men about their own little church as the “remnant”—the “few that are to be saved.” They are always dwelling upon strait gates and narrow ways, and upon what they conceive to be a truth, that but few shall enter heaven. . . . I believe there will be more in heaven than in hell . . . because Christ, in everything, is to “have the pre-eminence” (Col. 1:18) and I cannot conceive how he could have the pre-eminence if there are to be more in the dominions of Satan than in paradise. Moreover, it is said there is to be a multitude that no man can number in heaven; I have never read that there is to be a multitude that no man can number in hell.

Of all people, those who affirm the Bible’s teaching on unconditional election (Rom. 9:16) have reason to hope for a vast election. This is because salvation doesn’t rest on people’s willingness to choose grace, but on God’s free choice. He can have mercy on those we think are beyond repair. If we insist that only a few are saved, we risk subjecting God’s saving work to statistical probability. And if he hardly saves anyone, then why should I suspect he’ll save me or others?"
 

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It was surprising to me to read recently that Charles Spurgeon, "the Prince of Preachers" and known to be a conservative theologian, apparently believed that, in the end, there would be more in Heaven than in Hell. Seems surprising, since he also believed in limited atonement. Bible passages and reasoning below. Spurgeon argues from (1) Rev 7:9 where it is said a Great Multitude will finally be saved. Now, since it is nowhere said that there will be a Great Multitude in Hell, Spurgeon argues that the number of the saved must be at least 50%, i.e. greater than those in hell. (2) He also argues from various parables and passages where the Lord says "many" will come and enter the Kingdom from East and West etc. Thoughts on all this, friends?

Article/source below: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/people-saved/

"2. Believers Should Be Hopeful for a Great Salvation
“In the lack of people is the downfall of a prince” (Prov. 14:28). Will God have such a problem? Charles Hodge wrote that, on the basis of God’s electing grace:

We have reason to believe . . . that the number of the finally lost in comparison with the whole number of the saved will be very inconsiderable. Our blessed Lord, when surrounded by the innumerable company of the redeemed, will be hailed as the . . . Savior of Men, as the Lamb that bore the sins of the world.

Of all people, those who affirm the Bible’s teaching on unconditional election have reason to hope for a vast election.
Likewise, Warfield said,

The number of the saved shall in the end be not small but large, and not merely absolutely but comparatively large; . . . to speak plainly, it shall embrace the immensely greater part of the human race.

Finally, Charles Spurgeon preached:

I do abhor from my heart that continual whining of some men about their own little church as the “remnant”—the “few that are to be saved.” They are always dwelling upon strait gates and narrow ways, and upon what they conceive to be a truth, that but few shall enter heaven. . . . I believe there will be more in heaven than in hell . . . because Christ, in everything, is to “have the pre-eminence” (Col. 1:18) and I cannot conceive how he could have the pre-eminence if there are to be more in the dominions of Satan than in paradise. Moreover, it is said there is to be a multitude that no man can number in heaven; I have never read that there is to be a multitude that no man can number in hell.

Of all people, those who affirm the Bible’s teaching on unconditional election (Rom. 9:16) have reason to hope for a vast election. This is because salvation doesn’t rest on people’s willingness to choose grace, but on God’s free choice. He can have mercy on those we think are beyond repair. If we insist that only a few are saved, we risk subjecting God’s saving work to statistical probability. And if he hardly saves anyone, then why should I suspect he’ll save me or others?"
Interesting comments..from Spurgeon..
- & Warfield.
 

Magenta

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Matthew 7:13 plus Romans 8:13
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Nehemiah6

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Spurgeon was mistaken. The Bible says that relatively few will be saved.
 
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Spurgeon was mistaken. The Bible says that relatively few will be saved.
Ok. And Revelation 7:9?

The Great Multitude in White Robes
9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Spurgeon's reasoning is like this (1) there will be a great Multitude whom no man can number in Heaven. (2) But the Bible never says there will be a great Multitude whom no man can number in Hell. (3) Hence the number in (1) is greater than (2).

I like how the article concludes. It also mentions that St. John is mentioning God's Promise to Abraham is fulfilled in Christ.

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3. We Should Enter the Kingdom and Urge Others to Do the Same
The door to glory is narrow; there is only one door, Jesus. No one will enter heaven who isn’t clothed in Christ’s righteousness. All those, and only those, who come to him in faith will be received by the Father (John 6:37). But we must come! In Luke 13, Jesus laments over those who were so close to the kingdom—but never entered. They were devoutly religious. They lived in the Holy Land. They heard Jesus teach. They ate and drank in his presence, but they were left outside because they never presented to Christ the ruins of their depraved hearts and said, “Save us!” Yes, we should believe the saved are a remnant. But let’s not try to make that number smaller than God has. Instead, enter the narrow door and strive to take with you as many as will follow.

The saved are a remnant. But let’s not try to make that number smaller than God has. Instead, enter the narrow door and strive to take with you as many as will follow.
The words of Revelation 7:9 echo God’s ancient challenge to Abraham: “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them . . . so shall your descendants be” (Gen. 15:5). Can you picture Abraham scanning the night sky, realizing he couldn’t even begin to number those stars? The apostle John got to see Abraham’s believing seed gathered in. Like Abraham, his head spun. He too saw “a great multitude which no one could number” (Rev. 7:9).

The picture of the narrow gate and difficult path is God’s way of urging great effort. The picture of the innumerable company of the redeemed is God’s way of evoking hopefulness and wonder at his great salvation."
 

maxwel

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Mistakes:

Charles Spurgeon was a truly great preacher and orator.

He was, perhaps, one of the greatest preachers and orators of all time... certainly one of the greatest within recent history.

However, within our collective memory of his great talents and achievement, it would seem uncharitable for us to disallow him of even a few mistakes.

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Magenta

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Let's say that all humanity in total is 10 billion. If the great multitude is say 60 million (or even more), that is still a fraction of the total.
There are approximately 8 billion on the planet right now...
 
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Let's say that all humanity in total is 10 billion. If the great multitude is say 60 million (or even more), that is still a fraction of the total.
Actually there's another passage in Revelation that speaks of 200 MN men. I'm on my phone right now so I'll post it later. But the point is 200 MN could be numbered. But St. John the Apostle calls the number of the elect a far greater than number than that, of which he says hardly anyone could ever number. So the elect surely cannot be less than 200 MN based on that passage.

But Spurgeons argument is a little different. (1) Bible says there will be A Great Multitude which no man can number in Heaven (2) it never says this of Hell. (3) Therefore, most probably, in the end, more will be saved than lost.

Our Lord says in Mat 24:14 that the Gospel will be preached in all the world as a Testimony to All Nations before the End comes. That has happened to some degree, but not yet fully. China and India alone account for more than 2.5 BN People/Souls and maybe about 10% is Christian and 90% Christian in these 2 countries. Worldwide, Christians are around 33% of the population.

As the Great Commission progresses, it may be, in the Plan of God, that a much larger percentage of the world will become Christians and also the number of saved Christians will increase, since Rev 7:9 is clearly about saved Christians and not just nominal Christians.

In brief, contrary to "doom and gloom" ideas, I think we have solid eschatological grounds for hope of the much Greater Success of the Great Commission!

God Bless.
 
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Yup, this is the passage that speaks of 200 MN: "16 The army had 200 million soldiers" (Rev 9:16)

I know some Christians who believe less than 1% of humanity will be saved! And, small wonder, some of those who once believed that no longer even profess to be Christians. The Gospel is Good News. 99 odd percent going to hell is not Good News, and it is not a Triumph and Victory for Christ Crucified but would rather be a triumph and victory for Satan. Another passage Spurgeon mentioned is where it says Christ will have Pre-Eminence at the end, per Col 1:18: "I believe there will be more in heaven than in hell . . . because Christ, in everything, is to “have the pre-eminence” (Col. 1:18) and I cannot conceive how he could have the pre-eminence if there are to be more in the dominions of Satan than in paradise.

Moreover, it is said there is to be a multitude that no man can number in heaven; I have never read that there is to be a multitude that no man can number in hell. "
 

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It was surprising to me to read recently that Charles Spurgeon, "the Prince of Preachers" and known to be a conservative theologian, apparently believed that, in the end, there would be more in Heaven than in Hell. Seems surprising, since he also believed in limited atonement. Bible passages and reasoning below. Spurgeon argues from (1) Rev 7:9 where it is said a Great Multitude will finally be saved. Now, since it is nowhere said that there will be a Great Multitude in Hell, Spurgeon argues that the number of the saved must be at least 50%, i.e. greater than those in hell. (2) He also argues from various parables and passages where the Lord says "many" will come and enter the Kingdom from East and West etc. Thoughts on all this, friends?



"2. Believers Should Be Hopeful for a Great Salvation
“In the lack of people is the downfall of a prince” (Prov. 14:28). Will God have such a problem? Charles Hodge wrote that, on the basis of God’s electing grace:

We have reason to believe . . . that the number of the finally lost in comparison with the whole number of the saved will be very inconsiderable. Our blessed Lord, when surrounded by the innumerable company of the redeemed, will be hailed as the . . . Savior of Men, as the Lamb that bore the sins of the world.

Of all people, those who affirm the Bible’s teaching on unconditional election have reason to hope for a vast election.​
Likewise, Warfield said,

The number of the saved shall in the end be not small but large, and not merely absolutely but comparatively large; . . . to speak plainly, it shall embrace the immensely greater part of the human race.

Finally, Charles Spurgeon preached:

I do abhor from my heart that continual whining of some men about their own little church as the “remnant”—the “few that are to be saved.” They are always dwelling upon strait gates and narrow ways, and upon what they conceive to be a truth, (NO, THAT'S WHAT JESUS SAID WAS THE TRUTH, CHARLES SPURGEON) . And if he hardly saves anyone, then why should I suspect he’ll save me or others?"

Matthew 7

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"

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Matthew 7:13 plus Romans 8:13
:)

Ezk 10:10 indicates by a wheel within a wheel, that there is an invisible church of God's elect, and there is a visible church of his elect.

The invisible church being those contained in the larger outer wheel, and the visible church being those that are contained in the smaller inner wheel.

The invisible church is made up of those elect that are believing and preaching eternal deliverance by doing good works, and they are known as "the household of Israel"

The visible church is made up of those elect, who have been revealed by God's righteousness, what Jesus, actually, accomplished on the cross, and they are known as "the remnant of the household of Israel"

These scriptures also harmonizes with the two gates in Matt 7:13-14. The wide gate being the invisible church, and the straight gate being the visible church.

Christ died on the cross to redeem all of the elect, both the visible church, and the invisible church and secured them the promise of an eternal inheritance of heaven,

Jacob, whose name was changed, by God, to be no more caiied Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28), is representative of God's elect people (Rom 9:11) and is known as "the household of Israel/Jacob"

Isaiah 10 - The household of Jacob/Israel has turned away from God, and began to make idols, except the remnant of the household of Jacob/Israel has escaped of the household of Jacob, and shall no more stay upon him that that smote them, but shall stay upon the Lord, the holy one of Israel/Jacob, in truth.

Zeph 3:11-13 - God speaking to the household of Israel/Jacob, 'In that day shall thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me; for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shall no more be hauty, because of my holy mountain. I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD, The remnant of Israel/Jacob shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth; for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
 
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Depends if you can get out of he'll. Catholics I believe pray for them. I think it's interesting. I'd like to hear where they get that.
 

Magenta

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These scriptures also harmonizes with the two gates in Matt 7:13-14. The wide
gate being the invisible church, and the straight gate being the visible church.
"I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will
come in and go out, and find pasture."
Jesus' words in John 10:9