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Roughsoul1991

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Sep 17, 2016
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#1
I wish to grow content with knowledge but God uses me differently. At the same time, it seems He uses discontent to always move me toward what He desires to show me.

I, to some degree, need to show myself grace, knowing that in some areas, we only know in part, and the partial is where we must reach contentment.

1 Corinthians 13:9-10
English Standard Version
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

There is nothing new under the sun. Theories are only expansions or rebirths of old concepts.

New-age ideologies are often reimagined conceptions of old-age beliefs.

On the other side of the scale, we must be careful when we hear people push to revive what was and now has been forgotten or misunderstood.

They also claim to have new knowledge but only because the current understanding is misinterpreted, so they define it as foundational when in reality, it never was.

Our foundation is simple,

Ephesians 2:20
English Standard Version
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

Jesus Christ, as the cornerstone, guided the building of the foundation through the authors of the New Testament canon.

Everything outside the scriptures words is technically speculation while trying to understand the partial.

You must read the Bible as living and active, not a dead document. Meaning the teachings and moral guidance speaks to people of all ages. Always relevant truth, and I believe the more Word for Word translation with modern textual criticism is the best method for manuscript accuracy. For example, the ESV translation.

Thought for thought like the NIV is okay when cross-examined to Word for Word. The ultimate source for literal translation is the interlinear Hebrew/Greek to English.

The foundation has been laid by Jesus and people like Paul. The gospel is no longer a mystery to Jews or Gentiles, for all has been revealed.

We must be cautious with how we build on top of this foundation. Poor theology of hay or straw may still bring salvation but only like a man barely escaping a house fire.

Good theology is that of gold and silver. This is what we all should strive for—the area of maturity in thought and application.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
English Standard Version

10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master (wise) builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

It is often the partial or part understanding that denominations/non-denominations debate over.

All are not perfect and contain errors, humans in general are not immune from error, but I believe it was a strategic design of God to leave the partial knowing in effect.

The strategic divide is good, like the political seperations of power. God provided a path forward during the reformation, which allowed the truth to be debated and the freedom to break away if corruption was to set in.

I give this warning with a reminder that our current Bible is a reliable and accurate translation provided by the 1000s of ancient manuscripts, textual criticism, archeological finds, and personal experience to eye witness accounts.

What you hold today can be taken and used as the master blueprint for laying the foundation. Like the Ark of the Covenant that God provides exact measurements to build, we have the gospel foundation.

This foundation has exact measurements and no room for error or expansion. We may have the freedom to debate the partial or what is built on top, but we have no authority to alter the foundation.
 
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Locoponydirtman

Guest
#3
I have a simple philosophy concerning understanding the Bible, theology, christology; read the text, believe what it says even if you dont understand it. This may mesn throwing out old ideas amd rethinking postions and beliefs but it is what it is.
 
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Locoponydirtman

Guest
#4
I have a simple philosophy concerning understanding the Bible, theology, christology; read the text, believe what it says even if you dont understand it. This may mesn throwing out old ideas amd rethinking postions and beliefs but it is what it is.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
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#5
I have a simple philosophy concerning understanding the Bible, theology, christology; read the text, believe what it says even if you dont understand it. This may mesn throwing out old ideas amd rethinking postions and beliefs but it is what it is.
Very true. Let scripture interpret scripture. It the scripture stands alone with the context and hermeneutics of the Bible then we must accept the partial understanding. If we don't, we get into speculation or theories. For example, when people say this scripture actually means this because the culture in that day believed this. Well the problem now is in less you have Biblical support then you have allowed something else to interpret scripture.

This is why translation is important as well. There is a big difference in Word for Word versus Thought for Thought.

I do believe it is important for every Christian to know how the Bible came to be and the rise to so many translations.

They need to be confident in knowing their modern Bible is accurate. Only then can we start at scripture to interpret scripture.

I'm not saying we shouldn't study the culture or history behind the Bible but we should be very cautious when taking something not in the Bible to dictate how we read it.

If we are not given this context in scripture then it could be words that are timeless and speak to any generation on such topics.
 

Evmur

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Feb 28, 2021
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#6
I wish to grow content with knowledge but God uses me differently. At the same time, it seems He uses discontent to always move me toward what He desires to show me.

I, to some degree, need to show myself grace, knowing that in some areas, we only know in part, and the partial is where we must reach contentment.

1 Corinthians 13:9-10
English Standard Version
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

There is nothing new under the sun. Theories are only expansions or rebirths of old concepts.

New-age ideologies are often reimagined conceptions of old-age beliefs.

On the other side of the scale, we must be careful when we hear people push to revive what was and now has been forgotten or misunderstood.

They also claim to have new knowledge but only because the current understanding is misinterpreted, so they define it as foundational when in reality, it never was.

Our foundation is simple,

Ephesians 2:20
English Standard Version
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

Jesus Christ, as the cornerstone, guided the building of the foundation through the authors of the New Testament canon.

Everything outside the scriptures words is technically speculation while trying to understand the partial.

You must read the Bible as living and active, not a dead document. Meaning the teachings and moral guidance speaks to people of all ages. Always relevant truth, and I believe the more Word for Word translation with modern textual criticism is the best method for manuscript accuracy. For example, the ESV translation.

Thought for thought like the NIV is okay when cross-examined to Word for Word. The ultimate source for literal translation is the interlinear Hebrew/Greek to English.

The foundation has been laid by Jesus and people like Paul. The gospel is no longer a mystery to Jews or Gentiles, for all has been revealed.

We must be cautious with how we build on top of this foundation. Poor theology of hay or straw may still bring salvation but only like a man barely escaping a house fire.

Good theology is that of gold and silver. This is what we all should strive for—the area of maturity in thought and application.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
English Standard Version

10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master (wise) builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

It is often the partial or part understanding that denominations/non-denominations debate over.

All are not perfect and contain errors, humans in general are not immune from error, but I believe it was a strategic design of God to leave the partial knowing in effect.

The strategic divide is good, like the political seperations of power. God provided a path forward during the reformation, which allowed the truth to be debated and the freedom to break away if corruption was to set in.

I give this warning with a reminder that our current Bible is a reliable and accurate translation provided by the 1000s of ancient manuscripts, textual criticism, archeological finds, and personal experience to eye witness accounts.

What you hold today can be taken and used as the master blueprint for laying the foundation. Like the Ark of the Covenant that God provides exact measurements to build, we have the gospel foundation.

This foundation has exact measurements and no room for error or expansion. We may have the freedom to debate the partial or what is built on top, but we have no authority to alter the foundation.
Christian feel the need [rightly] to find a foothold, build a defendable position, they also need fellowship. Jesus is indeed this foundation, this foothold, He Himself is the gospel, the good news.

.... denominations provide the second need.
 
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#7
Scripture is the foundation Christ laid, Jesus being the focal point of Scripture. He is the Word.