The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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All for whom Christ died will be born again anew. When He died, those He died for were in union with Him, similar to how when Adam sin and died they died with him because in union with him. And so likewise when Christ[last Adam] was raised from the dead, they in union with Him were raised also with Him, and it will be made evident by giving them also newness of life, or the new birth.

Rom 6:4-5

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Now if we dont believe in this union with Christ, when He died, we died , when He arose with Him in union, then , if we believe in water baptism, that's what we are publicly saying, that we we were in union with Him, as He was our federal representative. And so His resurrection from the dead typifies our sure spiritual resurrection from the dead into newness of life ! So blessed are they who have part in the first resurrection !
 
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Iconoclast said:
The everyone believing are the elect,worldwide.
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Yes all who had been ordained, appointed to eternal life, become the ones believing Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
 
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The regeneration of those that Christ died for, is due to Christs resurrection from the dead, Peter writes 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The prep "by" here is dia and means:

: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.

The words begotten us again is the word anagennaó:

/aná, "up, again," which intensifies 1080 /gennáō, "give birth") – properly, born-again or "born from on high."

313 /anagennáō ("born again, from above") is used twice in the NT (1 Pet 1:3,23) – both times referring to God regenerating a believer (giving a supernatural, new birth).

to produce again, beget again, beget anew; metaphorically: τινα, thoroughly to change the mind of one, so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God, 1 Peter 1:3;

Strong's Greek: 313. ἀναγεννάω (anagennaó) -- to beget again

Thats were our believing comes from, thats part of the newness of life

Christs death put away our sins, hence justice satisfied, new life is given!
 
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Christs Death produces Saving results because its the death that effects the Blood of the New Covenant. Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament/covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This New Covenant Death has promises connected to it, these promises are unconditional, not conditioned on what the recipients [the many] have to meet, For Christ met all the conditions.

Under the Old Covenant, the recipients broke that Covenant Heb 8:7-12

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Jer 31:32

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

So this covenant has no conditions to perform, and its saving because it effects #1 Remission/forgiveness of sins. No conditions, because God has promised to forgive all their sins:

Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This is the same forgiveness spoken of in Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 25
 
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Those for whom Christ died, are ensured of Salvation because He liveth to make intercession for them.

Rom 8:32-34

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Nothing in this chain events has anything to do with what the sinner did.

Those who Christ died for are automatically beneficiaries of His Intercession for them

Isa 53:12

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you notice He made intercession for not believers, but transgressors. and why? Because for them He poured out his soul unto death.

The word transgressors mean: to rebel, transgress, revolt

Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

So those He died for, He lives evermore, makes intercession for them, which ensures them being saved to the uttermost.

Therefore, all for whom Christ died, and rose again in behalf of, He intercedes for them, ensuring their conversion.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Agreed. He layed down His life particularly and exclusively for His Sheep Jn 10 and that death ensures their eternal salvation !
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Brightflame52, I owe you an apology. I have re-read your posts and they are sound doctrine. My 87 year old mind misunderstood some of your statements. Keep defending this most comforting, and secure doctrine that Jesus taught.
 
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Brightflame52, I owe you an apology. I have re-read your posts and they are sound doctrine. My 87 year old mind misunderstood some of your statements. Keep defending this most comforting, and secure doctrine that Jesus taught.
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Jesus didn't teach Calvinism.
 
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Yes He did. You are just guilty of scoffing the Truth by the name of a man.
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No He didn't.

Salvation is available to anyone. Anyone has the capacity to believe the Gospel, and God wants them to (1 Tim 2:4)..
 
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Christs Intercession and Advocacy are efficacious benefits for any and all for whom Christ died 1 Jn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Being a propitiation for our sins is another way of saying He died for us, so He lives to be our Intercessor and Advocate/paraklētos.

Note: He is the propitiation for our sins is in the present tense denoting continual action, so He is always continually our propitiation/appeasing at the Throne of Gods Justice.

  1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
  2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor
    1. of Christ in his exaltation at God's right hand, pleading with God the Father for the pardon of our sins

He can successfully plea on behalf of those He died for, because the sins they are committing He has satisfied Gods Justice for 25
 
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The Death of Christ is a Saving death, it produces a seed that shall serve Him Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Ps 22:30-31

30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

This seed serving Him is the result of God making His soul an offering for sin.

It coincides with the Lords words in John 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

The word fruit here means:

  1. the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

The word seed in Isa 53:10 means:

  1. offspring, descendants, posterity, children
 
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The religion of man doesn't believe that the death of Christ alone results in the Eternal Salvation of all for whom Christ died, namely His
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OP posts, "The religion of man......". Not sure what you are referring to! In reading some history it seems that the 'Apostolic' era was cautioned about antichrist influence.>>>>>
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Strong's Greek: 1577. ἐκκλησία (ekklésia) -- an assembly, a (religious) congregation (biblehub.com)

These verses indicate that deception was or became prevalent not long after the crucifixion of Jesus. i.e. within 1st century AD. So are the early 'church fathers' writings possibly "The religion of man". Then throughout history many 'church' synods or councils may also be "The religion of man". This seems likely and presents a difficult decision as to which 'church' to attend. Are all 'churches' teaching 'the religion of man'?

The concept of 'church' is corrupted as the vulgar term is generally considered a 'building' for many people.

Seems like a point of contention to say people think of the 'church' as a 'building' as many if asked what 'church' they belong to, will answer by naming a denomination. But there are times the answer will be referring to a local 'building' with little if any consideration of denomination. And reading Strong's definition of the Greek word further complicates this point. i.e. Strong's definition as the "whole body of Christian believers" may indicate a widely dispersed group.

This may seem purely contentious to a person whose entire life has been in the 'church'. Particularly if one sees the 'church' with which they associate as 'The' 'church'. This is a point which seems to be pertinent to the gradual decline of Christian 'churches'. The old adage 'divide and conquer' may be applicable. (Who or what is doing the dividing and conquering if this be true?) And that leads to other topics. i.e. The decline of the Christian 'church' and is 'The Church' as Strong's defines 'the whole body of Christian believers'?

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Usage: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.
 
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OP posts, "The religion of man......". Not sure what you are referring to! In reading some history it seems that the 'Apostolic' era was cautioned about antichrist influence.>>>>>
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Strong's Greek: 1577. ἐκκλησία (ekklésia) -- an assembly, a (religious) congregation (biblehub.com)

These verses indicate that deception was or became prevalent not long after the crucifixion of Jesus. i.e. within 1st century AD. So are the early 'church fathers' writings possibly "The religion of man". Then throughout history many 'church' synods or councils may also be "The religion of man". This seems likely and presents a difficult decision as to which 'church' to attend. Are all 'churches' teaching 'the religion of man'?

The concept of 'church' is corrupted as the vulgar term is generally considered a 'building' for many people.

Seems like a point of contention to say people think of the 'church' as a 'building' as many if asked what 'church' they belong to, will answer by naming a denomination. But there are times the answer will be referring to a local 'building' with little if any consideration of denomination. And reading Strong's definition of the Greek word further complicates this point. i.e. Strong's definition as the "whole body of Christian believers" may indicate a widely dispersed group.

This may seem purely contentious to a person whose entire life has been in the 'church'. Particularly if one sees the 'church' with which they associate as 'The' 'church'. This is a point which seems to be pertinent to the gradual decline of Christian 'churches'. The old adage 'divide and conquer' may be applicable. (Who or what is doing the dividing and conquering if this be true?) And that leads to other topics. i.e. The decline of the Christian 'church' and is 'The Church' as Strong's defines 'the whole body of Christian believers'?

ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Definition: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Usage: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.
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So do you believe that Jesus Christ death actually provided saving results for them He died for ? Thats the premise of this thread. Thanks
 
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So do you believe that Jesus Christ death actually provided saving results for them He died for ? Thats the premise of this thread. Thanks
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Oh yes! It is the sacrifice Jesus made when His Father sent Him and is the only 'event' in history that provides for any or whosoever will avail themselves of or have eyes and ears 'opened' to hear and ask and receive the 'results' as you put it. The 'results' you refer to would also include the Resurrection. But my response was to the way you framed this post regarding where this 'religion of man' comes in.

Many people, myself included, possibly have the same difficulty in 'recognizing' 'Christianity' as the Bible teaches. And so, it seems to be verified by the dwindling numbers of 'Christians'. So it also seems that rather than focusing on saying words that appeal to someone or another's liking the focus may need to be considered. You may not at all agree with this, but give it some thought. Why are all statistics showing declining numbers of 'Christians'. Maybe, if you have been involved with the 'Christian Church" for some time you may have some insight into this. The statistics referred to are what I get from MSN.

And my assumption is that you are a Christian. Are you? I do see that Christianity is 'divided' with various 'peripheral' beliefs. At the core is the sacrifice of Jesus and the resurrection. That core is fundamental. Being quite new to Christianity the divided aspect has complicated understanding this divided vs core condition. Think on this phrase of secularists: 'the devil is in the details'. Maybe all the 'peripheral' issues is referred to. Some religious bodies are elaborate in worship. Others have very simple worship. This is my take after talks with a mennonite minister and being informed of 'High" vs 'Low' 'church'. Should some consideration be given to this divide? This seems also a premise. Never was a good student so thnx google.>>
prem·ise
[ˈpreməs]

NOUN
  1. LOGIC
    a previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion
 
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Oh yes! It is the sacrifice Jesus made when His Father sent Him and is the only 'event' in history that provides for any or whosoever will avail themselves of or have eyes and ears 'opened' to hear and ask and receive the 'results' as you put it. The 'results' you refer to would also include the Resurrection. But my response was to the way you framed this post regarding where this 'religion of man' comes in.
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Then you dont believe that Christs death actually saved them He died for, but they must first avail themselves. Thats salvation based upon man meeting a condition, which you termed " whosoever will avail themselves".
 
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Then you dont believe that Christs death actually saved them He died for, but they must first avail themselves. Thats salvation based upon man meeting a condition, which you termed " whosoever will avail themselves".
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