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Hey xp the video you posted is in Chinese. Do you have English version? My guess they are talking about some archeology.
The existence of great floods is still a matter of great debate in academic circles.

There are two main groups of people arguing about the existence of the Great flood.

Archaeologists generally believe that the Great flood did not exist,Because there's no archaeological evidence for a great flood.

On the other side are the geologists,Geologists generally agree that great floods existed,Because there are always traces of water erosion in geological structures,The range is huge,The whole thing is covering the whole planet.

But neither side was able to convince the other.

The beginning of the Great Flood controversy.

James Hutton,A lawyer from the 18th century.
He thought that everything that had happened before could be explained by what was happening now.That means if great flood is not happening now, it won't happen before.

It is obvious that a wrong view is accepted by many people,Because people turned against the Church at the end of the eighteenth century,Many wanted to break away from the church and separate science from theology,How to separate science from theology, that is, deny theology.Darwin was a descendant of this group.So he came up with the theory of evolution.This intensified the battle between the Church and science.

So for us modern people, which is more acceptable, creationism or evolution?
I'm definitely not evolved.(the girl said)

Either way, there's a big difference between the creationism and evolution.

Evolution says that life began more than four billion years ago,There were dinosaurs 250 million years ago,There were humans 3.9 million years ago.

But the creationism. God created the world in seven days.What dinosaurs and humans were all created together.According to creationism, people and dinosaurs should have been around the same time.

So did people live at the same time with dinosaurs? according to the fossils found it's not.Because human fossils and dinosaur fossils are not in the same stratigraphic age.

So the important point here is what animals do we infer from the stratum and what age.
How do we know this layer is 250 million years old? It used a form of radiometric dating.But radiometric dating is a very inaccurate method.

The common thread of the flood legend.
Great floods are worldwide, and they are devastating to humanity.And yet, in the end, people just live.

The second thing in common is the presence of god in flood legends.The Bible says that God caused the Great Flood.In the great flood of China, Nuwa went to make up for it.

So neither in the Bible nor in any other story does it say that the flood was worldwide, so how do we know it was worldwide?If the great flood were not worldwide, there would be no need to build Noah's Ark,If it's local, people move away,There's no need to build a Noah's Ark and put animals in it, especially birds,Noah put birds in his ark. There must be no place to rest for birds.
And the Bible says that the water has flooded the highest mountain,Shells have been found near Mount Qomolangma in the Himalayas.
The way geologists interpret it is geological motion,But this is easier to explain with the great flood.

The time of the great flood.
To understand when the great flood happened, look at several evidence:

1.fossil
According to biologists, animals are deposited in sedimentary rocks after they die
Over the years,more than thousands of years, it fossilizes.The process is very slow.
But now, increasingly, scientists and geologists are finding that fossils don't form so slowly.
Because the animals died and were eaten by other animals before they became fossils.It doesn't wait and wait for lime or mud to bury it.It must have been quickly covered in something.So it was buried very quickly.It's definitely not a very slow process.
So you have to think what can bury a dinosaur ten meters long really fast?
1.The dinosaur fell into the mud,swamp.
2.great flood.The great flood quickly swept away the mud and buried the dinosaurs.

Darwin once said that soft tissue animals don't have fossils.Like jellyfish and things like that.There is no way to preserve their fossils.
But that's not really the case,Fossils of jellyfish are found all over the world.Mollusks like we talk about, even fossil algae from more than four billion years ago can be preserved.Don't you think it's weird?So how do the fossils of soft tissue animals like this survive.The only way they could have survived was if they were buried quickly.So what quickly buried the jellyfish in the water?It must have been something like great flood.It might be a bit like a tsunami, a tsunami is black and full of mud and sand.

So now that we can find so many fossils, how could there be so many quagmire, mud, bogs?

For example, a quagmire fell into a million dinosaurs, should be in the same quagmire, right?
The fact that the fossils are so widely dispersed suggests that something like this happened on a large scale.What is it that's causing this, you can imagine.

And there's something strange about the dinosaur fossils that have been found so far.
It is called death pose,These dinosaurs all died in the same position.The head and tail are bent back.So why do dinosaurs die in such a pose.Now research has found that this is only the case when drown.So what could be causing this.Some dinosaurs even lived in water.


2.rock stratum
I don't know if you've seen the rock formations.It's layered on top of each other.
The original idea was that it was a little bit of sand, dust, accumulated.It took billions of years to get to where it is now.But the geologists found one thing, after removing the top layer, they found footprints on the bottom layer.Footprints are hard to preserve.Footprints will soon be gone by wind and rain.Why are there footprints on the rock stratum?That means this layer was quickly put on.And they found that the footprints all across the United States were point to the same direction,That means they're on the run.What's chasing these animals, a tsunami.Later, scientists also found a layer of rock stratum quickly formed by volcanic eruptions near volcanoes.The rock stratum may have been five or six meters high and formed in just one day.Which means that rock formations don't form as slowly as we thought.So if the rock stratum are forming that fast, then there's a problem,The layers we see now, tens of meters thick, were supposed to have formed tens of millions of years ago,It could have formed over several years or hundreds of years.Then our entire earth's history would be short.
 
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The existence of great floods is still a matter of great debate in academic circles.
Nice post. The debate for many will go on!!!!???...You have been doing some study on this...Huh?
 
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I didn't do the research. This is from the video. I translated it into English.
What do you think of this? The pope is accusing China of trying to take over the Catholic church?

VATICAN CITY, Nov 26 (Reuters) - The Vatican on Saturday accused Chinese authorities of violating a bilateral pact on the appointment of bishops by installing one in a diocese not recognised by the Holy See.

A statement said the Vatican learned with "surprise and regret" that the bishop of another district had been installed as auxiliary, or assistant, bishop in Jiangxi.

The unauthorized installation appeared to be one of the most serious violations of a 2018 agreement between the Vatican and Beijing on the appointment of bishops.

The Chinese foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The accord, which some Catholics have denounced as a sell-out to China's Communist authorities, was last renewed for a two-year period in October. Its details are still secret.

Jiangxi is not recognised as a diocese by the Vatican, the statement said, adding that the installation did not "conform to the spirit of dialogue" that both sides had agreed to in 2018.

It said, without elaborating, that the installation of the bishop, Giovanni Peng Weizhao, followed "strong pressure from local authorities".

AsiaNews, a Catholic news agency, said Peng was secretly ordained a bishop with papal approval in 2014, four years before the accord, and spent six months under arrest at the time.

The Vatican was expecting an explanation from Chinese authorities and was hoping that the "similar episodes are not repeated," the statement said.

The deal was a bid to ease a longstanding divide across mainland China between an underground flock loyal to the pope and a state-backed official church. For the first time since the 1950s, both sides recognised the pope as supreme leader of the Catholic Church.

Critics, including Cardinal Joseph Zen, 90, the former archbishop of Hong Kong, have denounced it as offering too many concessions to China.

The Vatican statement came a day after a Hong Kong court found Zen and five others guilty of failing to register a now-disbanded fund for pro-democracy protesters.

Only six new bishops have been appointed since the deal was struck, which its opponents say proves it is not producing the desired effects. They also point to increasing restrictions on religious freedoms in China for Christians and other minorities.

When the deal was last renewed, Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, its chief architect, said that while the achievements since 2018 "may seem small," in the context of a conflicted history they were "important steps toward the progressive healing of the wounds inflicted" on the Chinese Church.

Reporting by Philip Pullella; Additional reporting by Yew Lun Tian in Singapore; Editing by Mark Heinrich and David Holmes
 
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What did Ham do to Noah that caused him to curse his son Canaan?
Probably figurative speech indicating Noah had some secret which Ham revealed.>>>>>>>>>>>>

Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
 

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What do you think of this? The pope is accusing China of trying to take over the Catholic church?

VATICAN CITY, Nov 26 (Reuters) - The Vatican on Saturday accused Chinese authorities of violating a bilateral pact on the appointment of bishops by installing one in a diocese not recognised by the Holy See.

A statement said the Vatican learned with "surprise and regret" that the bishop of another district had been installed as auxiliary, or assistant, bishop in Jiangxi.

The unauthorized installation appeared to be one of the most serious violations of a 2018 agreement between the Vatican and Beijing on the appointment of bishops.

The Chinese foreign ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The accord, which some Catholics have denounced as a sell-out to China's Communist authorities, was last renewed for a two-year period in October. Its details are still secret.

Jiangxi is not recognised as a diocese by the Vatican, the statement said, adding that the installation did not "conform to the spirit of dialogue" that both sides had agreed to in 2018.

It said, without elaborating, that the installation of the bishop, Giovanni Peng Weizhao, followed "strong pressure from local authorities".

AsiaNews, a Catholic news agency, said Peng was secretly ordained a bishop with papal approval in 2014, four years before the accord, and spent six months under arrest at the time.

The Vatican was expecting an explanation from Chinese authorities and was hoping that the "similar episodes are not repeated," the statement said.

The deal was a bid to ease a longstanding divide across mainland China between an underground flock loyal to the pope and a state-backed official church. For the first time since the 1950s, both sides recognised the pope as supreme leader of the Catholic Church.

Critics, including Cardinal Joseph Zen, 90, the former archbishop of Hong Kong, have denounced it as offering too many concessions to China.

The Vatican statement came a day after a Hong Kong court found Zen and five others guilty of failing to register a now-disbanded fund for pro-democracy protesters.

Only six new bishops have been appointed since the deal was struck, which its opponents say proves it is not producing the desired effects. They also point to increasing restrictions on religious freedoms in China for Christians and other minorities.

When the deal was last renewed, Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, its chief architect, said that while the achievements since 2018 "may seem small," in the context of a conflicted history they were "important steps toward the progressive healing of the wounds inflicted" on the Chinese Church.

Reporting by Philip Pullella; Additional reporting by Yew Lun Tian in Singapore; Editing by Mark Heinrich and David Holmes
Whatever they do is vain, and I'm talking about both sides.

In the case of Hong Kong, the Chinese government claims that some churches were involved in the Hong Kong riots, so they have reason to be hostile to any church group, whether Catholic, Christian or Islamic.

CPC wants to keep the religious organizations under their control.

So if the church engages in Secular political struggle, They sacrifice the sake of God.Keeping other churches under strict control,because of their own will.

I can only say so much because I don't know the fact except God.
 
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It's an interesting topic, so you think those so-called "dinosaur" bones are really giant bones, and they were just put together to look like "dinosaurs" to hide the truth.
I don't know if that's what you mean.
I read with many dinosaur skeletons, the actual bones found are often only one percentage or less of what is displayed in museums. The rest is an artist (or "scientist") impression. And of the actual bones comprising the small percentage, these are hidden away by the museums, and not allowed to be studied - what is on display is a replica. It sort of seems the opposite of science to me.

Remember the Piltdown man hoax, where for many years, evolutionists claimed they had found the missing link between man and ape? And then it all turned out to be based on an ape's jawbone? But many people had been deceived for years, probably believing the bible had been disproven by evolutionism. How much easier would such a fraud be with alleged dinosaur fossils, where there was less religious opposition (the bible does describe two dinosaur-like creatures), and where the bones were hidden away and not allowed to be studied to "preserve them".

My opinion is that wherever there is deceit or concealment, there is evil - at least amongst men.
 
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My opinion is that wherever there is deceit or concealment, there is evil - at least amongst men.
Sometime it is stupidity. True story>>>Hiking in suburban woods of Chicago I picked up a heavy solid formation shaped like a turtle shell. A magnet would easily stick to it. Strange. Took it to the museum of Natural History in Chicago to find out what it could be? A person who works on fossils there didn't know and said it looked nothing like a turtle shell. One of the guards said it looked exactly like a turtle shell. Anybody and everybody that saw it said it looked like a turtle shell except the fossil expert. Never found out what it was exactly. Probably a decorative piece from years back. The area may have been other than wooded in not distant past.
 
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Sometime it is stupidity. True story>>>Hiking in suburban woods of Chicago I picked up a heavy solid formation shaped like a turtle shell. A magnet would easily stick to it. Strange. Took it to the museum of Natural History in Chicago to find out what it could be? A person who works on fossils there didn't know and said it looked nothing like a turtle shell. One of the guards said it looked exactly like a turtle shell. Anybody and everybody that saw it said it looked like a turtle shell except the fossil expert. Never found out what it was exactly. Probably a decorative piece from years back. The area may have been other than wooded in not distant past.
Maybe a shield? Like you say, the magnetism would seem to discount the turtle shell. :)
 

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Remember the Piltdown man hoax, where for many years, evolutionists claimed they had found the missing link between man and ape? And then it all turned out to be based on an ape's jawbone? But many people had been deceived for years, probably believing the bible had been disproven by evolutionism. How much easier would such a fraud be with alleged dinosaur fossils, where there was less religious opposition (the bible does describe two dinosaur-like creatures), and where the bones were hidden away and not allowed to be studied to "preserve them".

My opinion is that wherever there is deceit or concealment, there is evil - at least amongst men.
This reminds me of an incident during the Obama administration,a fossil of a dinosaur, or a fossil of a lizard man that science fiction writers imagine dinosaurs evolved into, and I saw it in the news, and it was a fossil lying on its profile side, and it had distinctly human features, upright, but with a very long tail, It's Very close to the human form except for the tail, but the news doesn't play up evolution, it doesn't claim that dinosaurs evolved, it just says it's a big discovery, it doesn't say what kind of big discovery, Obama participated in the press conference,He was standing right next to the fossil.
So, now that I think about it, that fossil really does look like something man-made.
Because from the news content, it is obvious that they are not confident, they only dare to claim a major discovery.
Because people in other countries will study this fossil, I think they probably don't want people to know that this fossil is fake.
So their purpose is......
 
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This reminds me of an incident during the Obama administration,a fossil of a dinosaur, or a fossil of a lizard man that science fiction writers imagine dinosaurs evolved into, and I saw it in the news, and it was a fossil lying on its profile side, and it had distinctly human features, upright, but with a very long tail, It's Very close to the human form except for the tail, but the news doesn't play up evolution, it doesn't claim that dinosaurs evolved, it just says it's a big discovery, it doesn't say what kind of big discovery, Obama participated in the press conference,He was standing right next to the fossil.
So, now that I think about it, that fossil really does look like something man-made.
Because from the news content, it is obvious that they are not confident, they only dare to claim a major discovery.
Because people in other countries will study this fossil, I think they probably don't want people to know that this fossil is fake.
So their purpose is......
Propaganda. The stories are designed to imply evolution is true, but when studied, they undoubtedly lead to questions about validity of the proof or claims. However, stories of invalidation of such discoveries are heralded by the media much less.
 

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What did Ham do to Noah that caused him to curse his son Canaan?
I don't think it was the sight of Noah's naked body that caused Noah to curse Canaan.
It may be related to the body catching cold after sweating,Noah's two other young sons were concerned about Noah's health.
It's just our common sense.There is no record of a influenza as far as the Bible goes here.

Another possibility is that Ham made fun of his father's nudity to the others.
 

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the nakedness of Noah was more that Ham saw his dad having sex with his wife

In the Bible though the langauge used to describe this is a bit obscure.

I dont quite undertand cursing Canaan part but this did happen and the canaanites became known for their sexual immorality.

You are not supposed to watch your parents having sex.
 

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What did Ham do to Noah that caused him to curse his son Canaan?
My husband and I once met a Jewish scholar who said that it was very possible Ham acted in a sexually inappropriate way with his father. Thus the, "...when Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him..."

That would definitely be worthy of a curse.
 

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the nakedness of Noah was more that Ham saw his dad having sex with his wife

In the Bible though the langauge used to describe this is a bit obscure.

I dont quite undertand cursing Canaan part but this did happen and the canaanites became known for their sexual immorality.

You are not supposed to watch your parents having sex.
I would think if this was the case it would have mentioned Noah and his wife's nakedness, just as the Bible mentioned Adam and Eve as both being naked?
 
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You seem to have totally misread my post.. Either that or you do not believe Jesus is LORD? I was not questioning that God is Good.. Yes God is good.. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are One with God and therefore Jesus was and is good and the Holy Spirit was and is good..

I would appeal to you to believe Jesus is LORD..
Most men believe that Jesus Christ was God here on this earth. Jesus Christ was 100% man here on this earth. He was not a hybrid. Adam was the first man (earthly) and Jesus Christ was the second man ( heavenly).

Believing that Jesus Christ was God defeats the whole concept of Christ suffering for our sins. God, cannot be tempted and Jesus was led of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted.

We cannot understand the Trinity fully but it is a requirement for all to believe that Jesus Christ on this earth was truly man and not God.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This verse explains the powers of Jesus Christ here on this earth, God was in Christ, just as God was in the Apostles doing greater things than what Jesus did, as Jesus had said to his disciples.
 

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Most men believe that Jesus Christ was God here on this earth. Jesus Christ was 100% man here on this earth. He was not a hybrid. Adam was the first man (earthly) and Jesus Christ was the second man ( heavenly).
You are totally and absolutely wrong.. Jesus never sinned therefore He was not have a flawed human spirit..

Believing that Jesus Christ was God defeats the whole concept of Christ suffering for our sins. God, cannot be tempted and Jesus was led of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted.
Jesus being God makes the Atonement awesome because Jesus was the unblemished Lamb of God.. Unblemished because he was God manifested in the flesh..

(1 Timothy 3:16) "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

When was God who was made manifest in the flesh received up into glory??? Answer when Jesus ascended into Heaven in His body witnessed by His disciples..


We cannot understand the Trinity fully but it is a requirement for all to believe that Jesus Christ on this earth was truly man and not God.
Nope you are very very wrong...
 

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I would think if this was the case it would have mentioned Noah and his wife's nakedness, just as the Bible mentioned Adam and Eve as both being naked?
it does, what bible are you reading? Genesis 9:22

Nakedness of his father means Noah's wife. In Leviticus a wife is the nakedness of her husband and vice versa, and its a sin to uncover the nakedness of ...various family members if you are not married to them.
also Noah was uncovered in his tent it says.

This is old testament langauage referring in a roundabout way to things like incest.

In no way would a son have sexual relations with his own mother for example. Just wrong.