Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Fascinating Revelation

They only had enough oil for one day with the Minnorah lamp but it lasted for 9 days. This is why they add two extra lamps to a Minnorah lamp to make it a Hannukah lamp.

Revelation 1:20 and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

The church is the lampstand set on a hill so that all could see in this dark age.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.

These two witnesses are added to the lampstand to give you the Hannukah lampstand! The church is the light, but once the church is removed, now what? Remember in Revelation there was only one church that the Lord said He would keep from the hour of trial just as on Hannukah there was only enough oil for one day. But on the eighth day the church is gone. The church is only 7 lamps. Now on the 8th and 9th day we see the two witnesses just as on the mount of transfiguration it is about the 8th day when they go up the mountain.

By the way, the 8th day of Hannukah this year is also December 25th. Interesting little intersection there.
 

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I do not agree with this, however you should be aware of the claims being made.

The issue I have is not with BO but rather with using all these hokey numbers to then make this outrageous claim. We have Biblically based reasons why we would identify the antichrist, the fact that you are 45 years old, 6 months and 6 days old on a certain day is not one of them.
 

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On being a witness

About 21 months ago I started my blog, I did it to dive into the word of God and I thought there might be another ten people who would also read it. When I had ten others I thought if every Christian did this we could reach 8 billion. But then I got to 100 and I figured 90% was "preaching to the choir" but still that meant I was possibly reaching 10 unbelievers as well. When I got to 1,000 I figured that to be more realistic you would not expect all Christians to be speaking but even if half did we could reach the whole world. I am now at 144,000 on my blog with about 400 new people a day. My point is if we can all just be witnesses it will be incredibly powerful, whether it is to 10, or 100, or 1,000 or even 100,000.

Second, I used to attend a large church with about 1,000 attendees on average. They would have a big Christmas play designed to preach the gospel. Probably 100 people were involved. The choir alone was over 50 people when you include the band and the dance ministry. They would have many rehearsals so they must have put in about 20 hours per person to prepare for this. Then after the play they would have an altar call. Also during the play they would ask first time attendees to stand up. Over 20 years I would estimate a total of 200 first time visitors. I do not know of anyone who actually came into the church through those plays. Now compare that with the other day when I and one other brother went to a food giveaway and for three hours passed out 400 english bibles and 9 spanish. We talked to many more people in addition to that concerning the Lord. I'm not saying the play was a complete waste of time, but if you want to look at effective witnessing I would put it at the bottom and simply talking to people one on one is by far the most effective.

The goal should not be numbers, but rather connections. When I was in college I was in a group of about three or four brothers and we talked to people everyday especially at lunch. After three years everyone on that campus knew who we were and the gospel was the focus of the entire campus.

I read that when Watchman Nee was in high school there were several brothers and they prayed over every kid in their high school and ultimately every single one received the Lord though the last few did so after graduating high school.

It is amazing how many people you can reach if you faithfully take your responsibility to witness every day. These big meetings to a thousand people do not have the same impact as talking to people one on one.

On the other hand there is Mister Roger's neighborhood. This brother decided his ministry would be to kids using TV. His show focused on "loving your neighbor as yourself". That was the focus of every episode. Eventually his ministry touched millions and it had nothing to do with CGI, or expensive production or expensive actors or any of that. The production was as low budget as any church could afford.

People ask me "how much money I make from my blog?" I don't make anything and do not want to. The minute money is involved it can open a door to the enemy to get a foothold. I believe many churches have been compromised by receiving money from FreeMasons, Jesuits, and others. There are brothers who I feel have a wonderful ministry just like the brother who did Mr. Rogers Neighborhood or some others who preach and teach the word professionally. Paul said that you are not supposed to muzzle the ox that treads out the corn. But he also said that he chose to support himself with his job of making tents. For most of us, maybe 99% of believers, I think that would be best. If you want to write a book make a Pdf version available free online. This should be a labor of love. You can easily work 40 hours a week at a job and still have plenty of time to witness.
 

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Proverbs 29 -- Whoever remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed

1 Whoever remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.

There is a big debate concerning Pre tribulation or mid tribulation rapture. However, this verse encapsulates my position. One of the problems is that not everyone means the same thing by these terms. Some think that all Christians will be raptured before the tribulation, I certainly don’t agree with that. I think the Bible teaches that some will be raptured at the beginning of the tribulation and others will either be raptured or martyred during the tribulation. But this verse really is the key, some will receive the Lord’s word to take up their cross and follow Him and so they will be raptured at the beginning of the tribulation, others will be stiff necked even after many rebukes. I like to look at this age as an opportunity to repent, confess and be saved. Some will do that during the age of grace, others will need that little extra push of the tribulation.

2 When the righteous thrive, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan.

This is the point. People who have been ridiculing and attacking Christians will come to see how wonderful the world was when they were here and how horrible it became once they were taken away. This is why they repent, this is how you finally convince them. You can tell people the vaccine is the virus all you want, but it isn’t until they get it after being double vaxxed and boosted that they start to realize they have been lied to.

3 A man who loves wisdom brings joy to his father, but a companion of prostitutes squanders his wealth.

Why doesn’t everyone love wisdom? It is amazing how many people only want to hear what they want to hear. When I was a teacher I saw this all the time, you tell kids what they need to do but they don’t want to listen to that. They want to play games, watch TV and find some “short cut”. In the end they fail the class and fail the final exam. They had plenty of time to learn the material but they squandered that.

4 By justice a king gives a country stability, but those who are greedy for bribes tear it down.

If you think our country is being torn down, know that it is by those who are greedy for bribes. Stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.

5 Those who flatter their neighbors are spreading nets for their feet.

I have always felt uncomfortable and weird around people who flatter you. Flattery is not the same thing as appreciation. If you did something and someone else truly appreciates it that is not flattery, but when they say all kinds of things to make you feel good that are not based on any actual experience on their part you realize this is bogus. That is flattery.

6 Evildoers are snared by their own sin, but the righteous shout for joy and are glad.

We saw this on January 6th. They are attacking Trump and yet the more they attack the more they are snared. They had a tremendous amount of videotape they didn’t want to release and yet had no valid reason not to release it. They put together the most extensive manhunt ever to get these protestors and yet when you give them the names of the ringleaders and chief provocateurs they ignore them. They got a bus referred to as the “hippie Trump supporters” and supposedly found weapons and bombs on the bus and yet they didn’t prosecute them. There was a man who left a pipe bomb, they have video tape of him and he was on the phone and yet they have not arrested him. They blame Trump for not securing the capital and yet it was Pelosi’s responsibility. We now have emails in which Pelosi refused the national guard offered by Trump. The more we know the more they are snared. We are certainly seeing this as Twitter releases documents snaring the evildoers.

7 The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.

I could never understand why anyone thought that Biden was better than Trump on this regard. Biden had a 30 year record of not caring about justice for the poor. I saw a youtube video where a person was on the streets asking people “who said this” and they all thought it was Trump when in fact it was Biden. The most racist and unjust comments and actions.

8 Mockers stir up a city, but the wise turn away anger.

Who stirred up the country? They were mockers. Antifa, BLM, these were riots filled with mockery like “defund the police” and “Black lives matter”. Those expressions are mockery. Defund the police is not something the poor want, they are the ones who suffer from the inner city crime. Also, Black Lives matter was designed to be insulting and provocative. The insinuation is that police are shooting blacks without concern because their lives don’t matter. But when you look at the data and there have been several very prominent blacks who have done this, the fact is that blacks are shooting blacks. I am not clear on the numbers but I think the ratio is 10:1 of blacks shooting blacks over police shooting blacks. Not only so it has been shown that other races have been shot by police at a higher rate. Finally, this is just racism, the question is why did the police shoot the person? Were they committing a felony? Were they threatening others with a deadly weapon?

9 If a wise person goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.

This is the problem we see right now. There is a lot of foolish raging on social media. It has become so bad you can’t even have a discussion. I have felt the best solution is to simply leave those platforms. We have a responsibility to warn others, however we are not responsible for what they do with the information. These fools love to tell you that they reject your sources, they reject your facts, they have their own truth etc. As long as they have acknowledged that they received what you said and rejected it then it is on them. Be at peace.

10 The bloodthirsty hate a person of integrity and seek to kill the upright.

Cancel culture is composed of the bloodthirsty. These Antifa riots are composed of the bloodthirsty.
 

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Avoiding Satan's poison

I was just reminded that I had a 25 year period from my senior year in high school on where I did not have a TV and did not watch TV. This was 1976 to 2001. Suppose that I had instead watched 3 hours of TV a day during that time. This works out to about 1,000 hours a year or 25,000 hours. Even if the poison is administered a drop at a time 25,000 hours would be a huge amount. I was far too involved in my life to even notice there was no TV. This involved a whole lot of time in the word of God, in fellowship with other saints, in meetings, in prayer, and in worship. The TV immerses people into a Satanic world. Today you look around and it is frightening how everyone is chained, or mesmerized by their little phone. They aren't spending 3 hours they are spending most of the day. Between TV, video games and social media what are people these days doing? If you are going to be immersed into the triune God you can't be immersed into this Satanic system.
 

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Proverbs 29 11-13 A simple gauge to determine if you are being ruled by Tyrants or good shepherds.

11 Fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end.

We have seen this. Pelosi calling a January 6th committee to investigate has thrown the doors wide open on this. They accuse Trump of inciting violence and we can pull up multiple videos of these foolish Democrats inciting violence including Kamala Harris and yet they want Trump to be tried for saying to “peacefully protest and let your voices be heard”.

12 If a ruler listens to lies, all his officials become wicked.

The lies we are hearing now are truly incredible. Everyone knew that the three hour wait to get a Covid test is the fault of Biden. He put out these mandates where you cannot work or fly without a negative Covid test so there was a massive surge in people who needed testing going into the holidays and yet he didn’t prepare for it. They lie about that. We know that shutting off the pipelines has caused energy prices to go up. They lie about that. We know that their stupid mandates have caused a complete catastrophe at California ports, they lie about that. Everyone in the administration appears to be wicked and lying. These Twitter files confirm this. Biden lied to us during the debate saying the laptop was Russian disinformation, that was a brazen lie.

13 The poor and the oppressor have this in common: The Lord gives sight to the eyes of both.

This is why Mike Lindell thinks the way things have turned out are so good. He sees that this oppression has given sight to the eyes of the oppressed. When you have good leaders who are like good shepherds the “sheep” can be simple and naive. They can depend on the eyes of their shepherd. But if that leader is oppressive then the people need to fend for themselves and be wise. When this happens the oppressor can see it happening. This is why tyrants become paranoid. The naive, simple people they scorned are no longer naive or simple. This is why tyrants censor free speech. So then Free speech is like a very simple gauge, are you being ruled by tyrants or good shepherds? If there is no censorship then you have good shepherds as rulers, if there is censorship then you have tyrants.

The Kari Lake election fraud in Arizona opened the eyes of the Democrats because they saw the the right to vote was denied to many and they are against that.

Trading Briner for a Russian arms dealer instead of a Marine opened the eyes of everyone in the military of how illegitimate Biden is.

The chaos at the border has opened the eyes of those along the border, especially the hispanics.

Martha's Vineyard shipping the immigrants to an army base has opened the eyes to the hypocrisy by many on the left.

The eyes of those in Brazil have been opened.

The eyes of the Chinese who are under these oppressive lockdowns have been opened.
 

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Jeremiah 6:19-27 Look, an army is coming

19 Hear, you earth: I am bringing disaster on this people, the fruit of their schemes, because they have not listened to my word and have rejected my law.

The disaster is self inflicted. Just like the blackouts in Texas, or the people dying in nursing homes, or the laws being passed concerning the tech giants and censorship.

20 What do I care about incense from Sheba or sweet calamus from a distant land? Your burnt offerings are not acceptable; your sacrifices do not please me.”

Do you think that God cares if Joe Biden shows up at Mass? Do you think that he tells a few “hail mary’s” and then it will be all fine?

21 Therefore this is what the Lord says: “I will put obstacles before this people. Parents and children alike will stumble over them; neighbors and friends will perish.”

Deceit like the SAT scandal, election fraud, drugs, etc. The schools are closed, Antifa continues to riot in the street, now that the borders have been thrown open we’ll see drugs flooding back into the cities. Mental health issues with kids, suicide rates skyrocket.

22 This is what the Lord says: “Look, an army is coming from the land of the north; a great nation is being stirred up from the ends of the earth.

They refused to listen to the warning, but almost two years ago Steve Bannon started a daily broadcast called “War Room Pandemic” because he saw that the virus in Wuhan had the potential to become a pandemic. They mocked and ridiculed him as a tin foil hat conspiracy. But he was right. We now have the evidence that this came from the Wuhan Bio weapons lab and that the CCP has done many things to obstruct a thorough investigation. The only reasonable attitude at this point is that we view this pandemic as an attack with a bioweapon from the CCP until we can get the evidence to prove otherwise. Then we also have evidence that the CCP was involved in stealing the US election. This has been published in Mike Lindell’s movies exposing the fraud. That should also be viewed as China’s being complicit in a coup in the US. These are acts of war. We have also seen 110 food processing plants attacked and no one has been arrested. How is it that the American people are so blase about our capital being ringed with troops and fences? Now we see an even more terrible virus like Ebola sweeping through China. Meanwhile the US is ready to go to war with Russia over the Ukraine. The Ukraine is used as a headquarters for the Russian mafia, or the Kaduri mafia. They traffic in women in children, they are extremely vicious, they have stored gold from around the world from their criminal enterprise, and they have blackmail material on all these elites that they traffic with. The Moloch and Baal worshippers cannot allow this information and gold to be lost to the Russians but it is the Lord's doing that these dark secrets will be uncovered. Russia is being forced to attack us first and prior to that the Moloch and Baal worshippers may do a false flag event with suitcase nukes to point the finger at Russia. This is all the Lord's doing. He said what you have done in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. Twitter is the rooftop and Elon Musk has been shouting for the last few days.

23 They are armed with bow and spear; they are cruel and show no mercy. They sound like the roaring sea as they ride on their horses; they come like men in battle formation to attack you, Daughter Zion.”

Wake up! Anyone who would attack with a bioweapon that destroys the world’s economy is not going to show any mercy. Russia is armed with hyper sonic missiles. We know that China and Russia are allied and working with a number of Islamic nations.

24 We have heard reports about them, and our hands hang limp. Anguish has gripped us, pain like that of a woman in labor.

Nice, I wonder if this is a reference to the birth pains of the woman who is bringing forth the Man Child. In the gospel of Luke the Lord said that when we see Jerusalem compassed about with troops that this is the last sign prior to the rapture at the beginning of the tribulation. Now here in Jeremiah there appears to be a confirmation of that. There have been many prophecies recently of the US being surrounded by armies, missiles coming over the Arctic, from submarines off the east coast, from South America, and even from North Korea.

25 Do not go out to the fields or walk on the roads, for the enemy has a sword, and there is terror on every side.

After the rapture there will be a dramatic collapse in law and order. I read that 30% of NYC cops have left to other parts of the country. Imagine what the US would be like if you don’t remove any of the Antifa or people who are rioting and looting but you do remove those standing with the Lord of all the cops, and of teachers, and all the people standing with the Lord for righteousness. Someone had a prophecy that they saw a very severe blackout where there was no electricity and everyone was under house arrest, if you went into the street they would shoot you. This is a picture of a very severe lockdown like what we are seeing China.

26 Put on sackcloth, my people, and roll in ashes; mourn with bitter wailing as for an only son, for suddenly the destroyer will come upon us.

When they say “peace and security” then there is sudden destruction. The claims of “peace, peace” were fake news. This is the problem with deceit, people don’t see the destroyer that is coming. Other prophecies have said that when the USSR collapsed in 1991 that was when everyone said "Peace and Security". You would mourn for an only son after the rapture and you realize you missed it.

27 “I have made you a tester of metals and my people the ore, that you may observe and test their ways.

This is a test, we are being tested, will you stand for the Lord, are you truly walking by faith or by sight?
 

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Proverbs 29:14-16 Blessed is the one who heeds wisdom’s correction

14 If a king judges the poor with fairness, his throne will be established forever.

The poor are totally focused on what is fair. As a teacher children would always argue that some rule or other wasn’t fair. I would always correct them and point out that what they mean is that the rule isn’t right. Since the rule is applied the same to everyone by definition it is fair, they aren’t arguing that I am not applying it to everyone the same they are arguing that it shouldn’t be a rule in the first place. I would then say that their objection had been noted. It is like rules in a game. Should we have a 3 point line in basketball? How far should it be? As long as the rule is fair to both sides it really doesn’t matter. Should the half be thirty minutes or 40 minutes? Again, as long as it is applied fairly it doesn’t really matter. The key point for a ruler is the same as the key point for a teacher, just be fair, be transparent. Everyone needs to know what the rules are and how they are applied. As long as the kids know you are fair, you don’t have the “teacher’s pet” you don’t have some bias against some kid that gets under your skin then they will all stand up for you. If you have 150 students one of them will try to get by with some phony accusation of bias. When that happens the principal will call in other students from the class to hear what they say. If it is phony all the kids will make it clear that you are fair and have no bias. Once the principal has trust in you then your “throne will be established”. This is the basic rule in classroom management.

15 A rod and a reprimand impart wisdom, but a child left undisciplined disgraces its mother.

Do you reflect on the discipline you have received, on the rods you have received? The headmaster of a high school that I went to recently died and so I wrote a personal testimony concerning him. I said that my fondest memory of him was when he caned me. I had broken the rules, I pointed out that he was very fair about it and although he wanted to punish me much more severely he felt that would not be fair. I thought that was a very stand up thing for him to do. But on top of that when I tell others that I was caned in high school they are stunned, it has quickly turned into one of my best stories. Today I am very happy that I was caned, everyone is so focused on “being wronged” it really helps mollify all these SJW’s (social justice warriors).

16 When the wicked thrive, so does sin, but the righteous will see their downfall.

What a wonderful promise. This refers to the rapture and the day of the Lord. The righteous will be raptured, they will be delivered, snatched out of the way of harm, but they will also see the downfall of the wicked. This is one of the blessings of heeding wisdom’s correction.
 

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Interesting that Hitler, an antichrist and a type of the antichrist rose to power on his birthday. I say this because one of the people who has been mentioned as an antichrist figure has his birthday on December 21st which is the winter solstice and also the birthday of a Babylonian god who is a type of the Antichrist.