Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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This is a straw man, a very weak one, it's purpose is to falsely portray grace'rs.
No grace'r in their right mind refutes the fact that God desires all mankind turn and be saved. Just as we affirm God desires all mankind to believe, love Him, love His Son, love thy neighbor, be sinless, be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, the list of desires/commands goes on and on.
The question is: does the natural man have the ability to keep these commands? Grace'rs will answer: no.
Proponents of the free will doctrine answer: yes, the natural man can believe.
How they reach this conclusion is the same ole' Pelagian heresy which is derived from faulty deductive reasoning. In a nutshell: If God desires/commands the natural man to believe then the natural man must have the ability to do so. God wouldn't command something man isn't able to do.
However, this reasoning is not biblical, it's in direct opposition to scripture which is built upon God's desire/commands being used to prove man's inability to adhere, ultimately his need for a savior. This command vs. ability is the entirety of scripture and the gospel.
The free will'er denies scripture, denies the gospel, and supplants God. Some do it out of ignorance and others do it out of hatred for God, either way there's no excuse.
No grace'r in their right mind refutes the fact that God desires all mankind turn and be saved. Just as we affirm God desires all mankind to believe, love Him, love His Son, love thy neighbor, be sinless, be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, the list of desires/commands goes on and on.
The question is: does the natural man have the ability to keep these commands? Grace'rs will answer: no.
Proponents of the free will doctrine answer: yes, the natural man can believe.
How they reach this conclusion is the same ole' Pelagian heresy which is derived from faulty deductive reasoning. In a nutshell: If God desires/commands the natural man to believe then the natural man must have the ability to do so. God wouldn't command something man isn't able to do.
However, this reasoning is not biblical, it's in direct opposition to scripture which is built upon God's desire/commands being used to prove man's inability to adhere, ultimately his need for a savior. This command vs. ability is the entirety of scripture and the gospel.
The free will'er denies scripture, denies the gospel, and supplants God. Some do it out of ignorance and others do it out of hatred for God, either way there's no excuse.
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I don’t know about that. I’m much more inclined to believe that since God wants no one to perish then God either gets what He wants or part of salvation is left up to the individual; that’s where our faith comes into action. God doesn’t have faith for us.
If what you’re saying is accurate then it’s called Calvin’s limited atonement theory and it would infer a couple of different possible Biblical contradictions:
1. God wants to save everyone, but is unable to.
2. God wants everyone to be saved, but He demonstrates that He doesn’t want that by not saving everyone.
If what you’re saying is accurate then it’s called Calvin’s limited atonement theory and it would infer a couple of different possible Biblical contradictions:
1. God wants to save everyone, but is unable to.
2. God wants everyone to be saved, but He demonstrates that He doesn’t want that by not saving everyone.
Your ignorance of not understanding what Jesus did for us is greatly showing here ------Apart from Jesus you are doomed to HELL
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OH Yes it does matter -----Jesus paid what you deserve ------you go to hell now by Rejecting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour as it was HE who paid the sin debt for all people for all time ----without receiving Jesus in your Heart you are doomed ---to HELL
Sin was in play before Jesus -----All of us were doomed to Hell because we are ALL SINNERS ----Without God in you your still a SINNER -----and doomed to Hell ------
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I say ---If your saved and have the Holy Spirit in you ----then you need to ask big time the Holy Spirit to help you understand who gives us the Faith and why we can't choose to have faith or not -----
John 6:44
Amplified Bible
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.
The Greek word for Draw here
helkó: to drag
Usage: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
HELPS Word-studies
1670 helkýō – properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.
So we see that no PERSON can go on their own desire to God ------God has to draw the Person ----God"s Power gives the person the desire to open their Bible and read His word --or to go to Church to hear the Word ----
God opens the persons heart ------Saving Faith is then inbirthed in the Person by hearing the Word ---WHO IS GOD THE SON ------you have no say in whether you want the Faith or not ---your getting it regardless from Hearing the WORD ----your Getting Faith in you From God The Son Who is the Word -----
-----Faith is a gift from God ----it is not ever given to ourselves by ourselves -----
Now what you can decide to do is to not accept the Word to act on it ------The saving Faith is there --you didn't put it there -----and it stays there ------God drew you by opening up your heart to desire to know who God is -----
You can now choose Not to ACT on the Free Gift of your Saving Faith---- Or ----you can choose To Act on your Saving faith ----that is your choice -----your Faith has be inbirthed in you like it or not -----
So some will accept to act on their Faith in Jesus and some will Choose Not to -------
this is how you get saved ---IF YOU DO THIS ----IF YOU DON"T DO THIS your NOT SAVED ------
it says Acknowledge AND CONFESS with your LIPS ------when you open your mouth and say and acknowledge that Jesus is Lord ---you are in Fact SPEAKING acting on your Saving Faith -----Faith always requires ACTION ----speaking is your action ------you choose to Speak your Faith or not to -------it has nothing to do with your inbirthed faith ---you had no part in getting that --------your choosing to accept or reject the Action of God's faith ------
Romans 10:9
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
When your born you are born with intellectual faith ------it is not from us ---Faith always comes from God
John 6:44
Amplified Bible
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him [giving him the desire to come to Me]; and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day.
The Greek word for Draw here
helkó: to drag
Usage: I drag, draw, pull, persuade, unsheathe.
HELPS Word-studies
1670 helkýō – properly, induce (draw in), focusing on the attraction-power involved with the drawing.
So we see that no PERSON can go on their own desire to God ------God has to draw the Person ----God"s Power gives the person the desire to open their Bible and read His word --or to go to Church to hear the Word ----
God opens the persons heart ------Saving Faith is then inbirthed in the Person by hearing the Word ---WHO IS GOD THE SON ------you have no say in whether you want the Faith or not ---your getting it regardless from Hearing the WORD ----your Getting Faith in you From God The Son Who is the Word -----
Now what you can decide to do is to not accept the Word to act on it ------The saving Faith is there --you didn't put it there -----and it stays there ------God drew you by opening up your heart to desire to know who God is -----
You can now choose Not to ACT on the Free Gift of your Saving Faith---- Or ----you can choose To Act on your Saving faith ----that is your choice -----your Faith has be inbirthed in you like it or not -----
So some will accept to act on their Faith in Jesus and some will Choose Not to -------
this is how you get saved ---IF YOU DO THIS ----IF YOU DON"T DO THIS your NOT SAVED ------
it says Acknowledge AND CONFESS with your LIPS ------when you open your mouth and say and acknowledge that Jesus is Lord ---you are in Fact SPEAKING acting on your Saving Faith -----Faith always requires ACTION ----speaking is your action ------you choose to Speak your Faith or not to -------it has nothing to do with your inbirthed faith ---you had no part in getting that --------your choosing to accept or reject the Action of God's faith ------
Romans 10:9
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
9 Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
When your born you are born with intellectual faith ------it is not from us ---Faith always comes from God
Amen! 
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
1 Peter 1:2
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
2 Peter 3:9
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
1 Peter 1:2
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
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Very edifying post brother thanks for sharing
“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
Hebrews 2:1-4 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
Hebrews 2:1-4 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
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It's not surprising that you did not reference myu whole post. It is you that is not honoring Jesus ability to eternally save those that he redeemed from their sins, and gave them the promise of an eternal inheritance.
The imputed righteousness of Christ was given to me when God quickened me to a new spiritual life (Eph 2:1-5).
He is already in me, and I in him.
It is also you that limits God's power (Dan 4:35).
If you have not asked Jesus to come into your heart and save your wicked soul, then you are bound for Hell, my friend.
John 3:18
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 3:18
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
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