Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?

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If you read chapter ten of Daniel, the identity of Michael is revealed.

Daniel converses with his Lord as shown below.

Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was standing in my way for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

In the verse above Michael is identified as one of the chief princes.

The human like figure earlier in this chapter is called, "my Lord", by Daniel.

Michael is but one of the angelic beings, princes, and definitely not the Lord.
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This is correct. Notice Daniel is talking with the Lord Jesus Christ, who calls Micheal by name and claim the Micheal assisted the Lord.
Archangel means something like chief angel. Am Angel that governs other angels. In that sense he is a prince; a prince of angels.
Jesus is not a created being. Note John Chapter 1: The Word, Jesus was in the beginning and all created things were created through him.
As we habe said, there is not scriptural reason to equate Jesus to Micheal.
 
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If I remember correctly, the SDA also believe Michael is the Lord.
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The Seventh-day Adventists teach that Michael the Archangel and Jesus are one and the same. However, some people mistakenly think that the SDA Church is teaching that Jesus is a created angel and therefore not truly divine. But that is not the Seventh-day Adventist position. Instead, they are saying that the Old Testament manifestation of Michael the Archangel was actually the pre-incarnate Christ and that He is not created. They are incorrect in their comparison, but in it, they are not denying the deity of Christ. Still, it is noteworthy how their incorrect interpretation influenced their paraphrase, the “Clear Word Bible.”

https://carm.org/seventh-day-adventism/the-clear-word-bible-jesus-and-michael-the-archangel/
 
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As provided earlier, the matter is found in the early church after the Apostles, such as Melito of Sardis,
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Melito does not call Christ Michael. He calls Him archangel, signifying, greater than all the angels.
The way you have interpreted Melito, you could equally argue that Abraham is Jesus, because in the snippet you cited he also writes that Christ is 'among the patriarchs, Patriarch'

This is shoddy reasoning on your part IMO.

Moreover, immediately following your 'proof' he writes that Christ is "in God, God" - which is plainly contrary to the well known JW heresy denying His deity, and would put the position in unreconcilable conflict with not only Jude 9 but also Hebrews 1:4-8, which passage is even more clear that Jesus the God-Son is absolutely not an angel, for, "to which of the angels did He ever say..?"

Nevertheless even if Melito were identifying Michael as Christ ((and I am not convinced he is at all)), then the only thing that you would have demonstrated is that this particular error existed before the JW cult.
 
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why do JW's and/or SDA's come to a Christian chat board?
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To proselytize.

JWs in particular believe they secure salvation for themselves by leading actual Christians astray into their errors.

They find it easier often to deceive the unlearned sheep without well-practiced discernment than to convince someone who do not accept the scripture in the first place.
 
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Walter said:
Friday 1-20-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tevet 27 5783 31st. Winter Day

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What biblical evidence supports the teaching that Michael is another name for Jesus?

The name Michael is used five times in the Bible to designate a celestial being (Dan. 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Rev. 12:7). He is nowhere explicitly identified with Jesus, but some Christian writers have equated the two by carefully comparing the role played by Michael with that of Jesus. Any comparisons yield not only similarities but also dissimilarities, and both should be taken into account. We’ll start with the passages in which Michael is mentioned and then broaden the horizon to include several passages that are conceptually related to His person and experience.

1. He seems to be an angel: Michael is identified as “one of the chief princes” (Dan. 10:13), “your prince” (verse 21), “the great prince” (Dan. 12:1), and “the archangel” (Jude 9). “Archangel” implies that He is the prince of the angels, suggesting that Michael cannot be another name for Jesus because He is divine and angels are created beings.

Part of the problem is that the noun “angel” is taken to designate a creature, while in the Bible it designates a function. In other words, an “angel” is a being who functions as a “messenger” of God. In most cases they are created beings, but there is an exception.

In the Old Testament there are several references to the “angel [messenger] of the Lord” in which He is equated with God (e.g., Ex. 3:2, 4; Judges 6:12, 14). It is not that the Messenger is identified with the One who sent Him as His representative, but rather that the Sender functions at the same time as the Messenger. Many Christians have identified the Angel of the Lord as the preincarnate Christ. This Christological interpretation seems to be biblically valid.

2. He is leader of the angels: The phrase “one of the chief princes” (Dan. 10:13) could give the impression that He is one among many princes. But according to Revelation 12:7, Michael is the supreme leader of the heavenly angels, or “the great prince.” When necessary, He personally assists angels in their assigned tasks (Dan. 10:13), yet the angelic hosts are under His command (Rev. 12:7). He is indeed the “archangel” (Jude 9). This title is mentioned in one other place in the Bible: 1 Thesselonians 4:16, in the context of the second coming of Christ. He returns “with the voice of the archangel,” suggesting that Michael is most probably another name for Jesus.

3. He protects God’s people: Michael is described as the Prince of Israel (Dan. 10:21), the One who protects Israel (Dan. 12:1). This protection is described in military terms and portrays the Prince as a warrior. In practically all the passages in which He is mentioned there is a conflict between God’s people and their enemies, and Michael is present to defend them or fight for them. The protection can also take the form of judgment in which Michael stands up and defends and delivers God’s people (ibid.). Those are functions of Christ in the New Testament and confirm the suggestion that Michael and Christ are the same person, involved in leadership in the heavenly and earthly realms.

4. He is Prince of the heavenly hosts: In Daniel 8:10 there is a reference to a celestial being who performs the daily services in the heavenly sanctuary. There is only one other passage in the Old Testament in which this being is mentioned. Joshua had an encounter with a being who identified himself as the “captain [commander] of the host [army] of the Lord” (Joshua 5:14). He ordered Joshua to remove his shoes because the ground he was standing on was holy, similar to God’s apparition to Moses. The context makes clear that this being was the Lord Himself (Joshua 6:2). This Prince is the same person called in other passages Prince Michael, and therefore we can identify Him with the preincarnate Christ.

So even though the Bible does not clearly identify Michael with Christ, there is enough biblical information to warrant the view that They are the same person. The name Michael stresses the fact that Christ is the supreme leader of the heavenly angels and the defender of His people as warrior, judge, and priest.

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No. Not at all. Not a chance.
 
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Hello Walter, this has been a question for some, and it is what cults like the JW's believe (that the Lord Jesus Christ and Michael the Archangel are one and the same being, that is), but how are those who hold to this belief able to get past what Jude tells us about Michael :unsure:

Jude​
9 Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”​

If Michael = The Lord Jesus Christ, then why did he say to Satan, "THE LORD rebuke you" :unsure: The text also tells us that Michael "DID NOT DARE" pronounce a railing JUDGMENT against Satan. If Michael = Jesus, and is therefore the 2nd Member of the Godhead, how could any of this possibly be said of Him :unsure: (if the Lord Jesus is God, and He is, then He alone is Satan's "Judge", yes?)

God bless you!!

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I am not disagreeing with you about Michael the Archangel being the same person as Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God. That being said, there's a hierarchy in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus is our Lord, and God the Father is Jesus' Lord.

So knowing that, referring to Jude 9, when Michael says "The Lord rebuke you!", (for those who are supposing Michael is Jesus), it doesn't rule out that it's referring to Jesus calling God his Lord, or the Father his God, which is something Jesus did. Just good to know how people arrive at the conclusions they do. (y)

Matthew 11
25At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Matthew 27
46About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lemasabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Mark 12
29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’
 
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Michael as Archangel is then also one among other Archangels (though He is the highest), such as Gabriel, also an archangel. Even satan is an arch angel.
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Jude specifies Michael as distinct from and lesser than the LORD, and Hebrews 1 ((among many other places)) uniquely identifies Christ as equivalent & identical to the LORD ((tetragrammaton))

Melito also in the same document specifies Christ as uniquely identical to YHVW:

The throne of the Lord-angels, or saints, or simply sovereign dominion. In the Psalm: "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever."​
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Seat-the same as above, angels or saints, because the Lord sits upon these. In the Psalm: "The Lord sat upon His holy seat."​

Link to text:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/melito.html

I do not imagine Melito was unaware that calling Michael Christ would put him in contradiction with Jude and Hebrews 1, and again, I do not agree that this is what Melito meant by saying that among angels He is The Arch.
 
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To proselytize.

JWs in particular believe they secure salvation for themselves by leading actual Christians astray into their errors.

They find it easier often to deceive the unlearned sheep without well-practiced discernment than to convince someone who do not accept the scripture in the first place.
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The JW top-dog leadership is a shadowy, sinister, unaccountable group with no congregational oversight whatsoever. Who are probably raking in $$$millions$$$....but nobody really can tell nor prove it. If it were me, I would be filing a class-action lawsuit and pursue criminal charges for fraud and malfeasance.

I know a few former rank-and-file JW's that (wisely) bailed out because they recognized this brutal reality.

Unfortunately, they bailed out into atheism/evolutionism/agnosticism etc.
Those whom I still know (in fact preached to lately) are totally gaslighted.

I have known these people for 40 years BTW. Still stay in touch. And in fact they are very nice people all in all.
 
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So even though the Bible does not clearly identify Michael with Christ, there is enough biblical information to warrant the view that They are the same person.
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No. Jesus is not an angel. This is JW foolishness.
 
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posthuman said:
To proselytize.

JWs in particular believe they secure salvation for themselves by leading actual Christians astray into their errors.

They find it easier often to deceive the unlearned sheep without well-practiced discernment than to convince someone who do not accept the scripture in the first place.
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Another thing: the supposed Biblical knowledge that rank-and-file JW's supposedly possess is.....trivial at best.
Hardly better than childish. And in terms of actually understanding the Word.....nonexistent for all intents and purposes.
 
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Another thing: the supposed Biblical knowledge that rank-and-file JW's supposedly possess is.....trivial at best.
Hardly better than childish. And in terms of actually understanding the Word.....nonexistent for all intents and purposes.
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I suspect that some of their youth who actually study the Bible may doubt the erroneous doctrine but stay in to keep the peace with their families.

I spoke to some who visited and we had a nice Bible study. Their elders never allowed them to come back. :(
 
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oyster67 said:
I suspect that some of their youth who actually study the Bible may doubt the erroneous doctrine but stay in to keep the peace with their families.

I spoke to some who visited and we had a nice Bible study. Their elders never allowed them to come back. :(
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I can chime in and say that it is likewise my opinion that this is true. The wife that I preached to really did not have a response to the proofs that Jesus is God incarnate.

I honestly believe that she had so much to lose in terms of this life and her extended family....the loss would be too great for her to bear.....:cry:. Her husband was raised in the JW's (as she was) and split in his 30's. He is now an agnostic from what I can tell. An older man like me.
 
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The Seventh-day Adventists teach that Michael the Archangel and Jesus are one and the same. However, some people mistakenly think that the SDA Church is teaching that Jesus is a created angel and therefore not truly divine. But that is not the Seventh-day Adventist position. Instead, they are saying that the Old Testament manifestation of Michael the Archangel was actually the pre-incarnate Christ and that He is not created. They are incorrect in their comparison, but in it, they are not denying the deity of Christ. Still, it is noteworthy how their incorrect interpretation influenced their paraphrase, the “Clear Word Bible.”

https://carm.org/seventh-day-adventism/the-clear-word-bible-jesus-and-michael-the-archangel/
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I'm always learning something new about that religion, that I haven't heard from them personally.
Thanks for the clarification.

That is more than I can say for their "Clear Word"....."bible."
Lol
 
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Walter said:
Friday 1-20-23 6th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tevet 27 5783 31st. Winter Day

Written by Biblical Research Institute

What biblical evidence supports the teaching that Michael is another name for Jesus?

The name Michael is used five times in the Bible to designate a celestial being (Dan. 10:13, 21; 12:1; Jude 9; Rev. 12:7). He is nowhere explicitly identified with Jesus, but some Christian writers have equated the two by carefully comparing the role played by Michael with that of Jesus. Any comparisons yield not only similarities but also dissimilarities, and both should be taken into account. We’ll start with the passages in which Michael is mentioned and then broaden the horizon to include several passages that are conceptually related to His person and experience.

1. He seems to be an angel: Michael is identified as “one of the chief princes” (Dan. 10:13), “your prince” (verse 21), “the great prince” (Dan. 12:1), and “the archangel” (Jude 9). “Archangel” implies that He is the prince of the angels, suggesting that Michael cannot be another name for Jesus because He is divine and angels are created beings.

Part of the problem is that the noun “angel” is taken to designate a creature, while in the Bible it designates a function. In other words, an “angel” is a being who functions as a “messenger” of God. In most cases they are created beings, but there is an exception.

In the Old Testament there are several references to the “angel [messenger] of the Lord” in which He is equated with God (e.g., Ex. 3:2, 4; Judges 6:12, 14). It is not that the Messenger is identified with the One who sent Him as His representative, but rather that the Sender functions at the same time as the Messenger. Many Christians have identified the Angel of the Lord as the preincarnate Christ. This Christological interpretation seems to be biblically valid.

2. He is leader of the angels: The phrase “one of the chief princes” (Dan. 10:13) could give the impression that He is one among many princes. But according to Revelation 12:7, Michael is the supreme leader of the heavenly angels, or “the great prince.” When necessary, He personally assists angels in their assigned tasks (Dan. 10:13), yet the angelic hosts are under His command (Rev. 12:7). He is indeed the “archangel” (Jude 9). This title is mentioned in one other place in the Bible: 1 Thesselonians 4:16, in the context of the second coming of Christ. He returns “with the voice of the archangel,” suggesting that Michael is most probably another name for Jesus.

3. He protects God’s people: Michael is described as the Prince of Israel (Dan. 10:21), the One who protects Israel (Dan. 12:1). This protection is described in military terms and portrays the Prince as a warrior. In practically all the passages in which He is mentioned there is a conflict between God’s people and their enemies, and Michael is present to defend them or fight for them. The protection can also take the form of judgment in which Michael stands up and defends and delivers God’s people (ibid.). Those are functions of Christ in the New Testament and confirm the suggestion that Michael and Christ are the same person, involved in leadership in the heavenly and earthly realms.

4. He is Prince of the heavenly hosts: In Daniel 8:10 there is a reference to a celestial being who performs the daily services in the heavenly sanctuary. There is only one other passage in the Old Testament in which this being is mentioned. Joshua had an encounter with a being who identified himself as the “captain [commander] of the host [army] of the Lord” (Joshua 5:14). He ordered Joshua to remove his shoes because the ground he was standing on was holy, similar to God’s apparition to Moses. The context makes clear that this being was the Lord Himself (Joshua 6:2). This Prince is the same person called in other passages Prince Michael, and therefore we can identify Him with the preincarnate Christ.

So even though the Bible does not clearly identify Michael with Christ, there is enough biblical information to warrant the view that They are the same person. The name Michael stresses the fact that Christ is the supreme leader of the heavenly angels and the defender of His people as warrior, judge, and priest.

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Jesus Christ and Michael the arc angel are "NOT" one and the same person, in fact it's impossible and can be Biblically proven. But first the following is what Charles Taze Russell taught regarding Jesus and Michael. Please read starting at the middle of the page.

http://imgur.com/y6dOdXe

Now for the Biblical evidence, of which there are many but the main one (in my opinion) can be found at Genesis 22. I think definitions are in order first. The Hebrew word for "angel" is "malak." It simply means messenger and the context determines how it is used.

For example at Malachi 3:1, "Behold, I am going to send My "malak/angel/messenger," and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, and the "malak/angel/messenger" of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming, says the Lord of host."

So who is identified as the person that will clear the way of the Lord? It is none other than John the Baptist, and he ain't no angel, a messenger yes. This is confirmed at Mark 1:1-4. Moreover, and this a little bit of added information. The name of the prophet Malachi, well his name is from the root word "malak." So getting back to Malachi 3:1, who do you think the angel of the covenant is that is coming to "HIS" temple?

Now to Genesis 22 starting at vs 10, "And Abraham stretched out his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. Vs12, "But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven, and said, "Abraham, Abraham!" And he said here I am" vs12, "And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand against the lad, and do nothing to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son from Me."

Verses 13-14 tell us that the Lord provided a sacrifice for Abraham which was a ram. Vs15, "Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, vs16, and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld you son, your only son, vs17, indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens, and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies."

Now, what is the point of this presentation? The fact is that angels 'CANNOT" swear oaths on behalf of God. This is confirmed at Hebrews 6:13, "For when God made the promise to Abraham, since He could not swear by no one greater, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF. vs14, saying, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply you." I will be more than happy to answer any and all questions.

IN GOD THE SON,
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Hello Walter, this has been a question for some, and it is what cults like the
If Michael = The Lord Jesus Christ, then why did he say to Satan, "THE LORD rebuke you" :unsure: The text also tells us that Michael "DID NOT DARE" pronounce a railing JUDGMENT against Satan. If Michael = Jesus, and is therefore the 2nd Member of the Godhead, how could any of this possibly be said of Him :unsure: (if the Lord Jesus is God, and He is, then He alone is Satan's "Judge", yes?)

God bless you!!

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Interestingly enough, we do have the the Lord referring to himself in the third person in Zech3

The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?”

So, what does it imply that Michael "did not dare" to pronounce against Satan a railing judgement? Jesus, in his encounter with Satan ended the encounter with "away from me, Satan" without really pronouncing a judgement himself. Perhaps Satan there was no judgement pronounced, because it is before the time of judgement? I don't think Michael is Jesus either, I'm just trying to approach this with scriptural integrity.

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2. He is leader of the angels: The phrase “one of the chief princes” (Dan. 10:13) could give the impression that He is one among many princes. But according to Revelation 12:7, Michael is the supreme leader of the heavenly angels
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This is what REV12:7 actually says:

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

The Angel of the LORD proclaims that he, himself, is the "Captain of the Army (or armies) of the Lord", wheras REV12 simply says "Michael and his angels" without implying that all the Army (or armies) of the lord fought against the dragon.
 
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It is a mistake in understanding to take that position, that because Michael is identified as "one of the chief princes" that it somehow means he is not Deity, or the Person of the Son of the Father.

1. Michael is one of the "chief" "princes" (ruler).

[A.] Two main princes (rulers) in the Great Controversy (Rev. 12), Michael (Prince of Peace) & Dragon (Prince of Devils).

[06] The Two Princes

There are Two Main Princes [rulers] throughout the scriptures, the King James Bible.

[I.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”
Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”
Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”
Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”
Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”
Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”
Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”
Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”
Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”
Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”
Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

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[II.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”
Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”
Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”
Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”
Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”
John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”
Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”
Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”
Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”
Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

[B.] There are many chief princes (Isaiah 43:28 KJB) of the sanctuary (High Priests), and Jesus is among them, as High Priest.

[C.] There are many rulers of kingdoms, and Jesus is a ruler, as King over Israel (Numbers 23:21 KJB) and Revelation 19:16 shows that Jesus is a King over other Kings (Christians) that does not negate that He is "one of the chief princes (rulers)", as shown.

[D.] Jesus is the "last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45 KJB), and as such is the Head representative of the family of this world, while there are head representatives of the other unfallen worlds, also called "sons of God" (Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, etc KJB).

[E.]. Michael as Archangel is then also one among other Archangels (though He is the highest), such as Gabriel, also an archangel. Even satan is an arch angel.

[F.] Among the "apostles", Jesus is the Highest "Apostle" (Hebrews 3:1 KJB). That Jesus is the only begotten Son (same nature of Deity, as His Father), does not mean that Jesus is also not among His "fellows" (Hebrews 1:9 KJB, heavenly angelic messengers like Gabriel) as highest messenger, anointed above them.

To the matter of "my lord" (Daniel 10:16,17,19), angels (as Gabriel, the covering cherub that "stand in the presence of God" (Luke 1:19)) are of greater authority, in power and might (Ephesians 3:10; Colossians 1:16) at present than general mankind is, for there are many "lords" (Deut. 10:17; Psa. 136:3; 1 Cor. 8:5; 1 Tim. 6:15; Rev. 17:14, 19:16), and angels (like Gabriel) being some of them, who resemble in appearance mankind (Genesis 19:2, 19:1,16; Daniel 8:15, 9:21, 10:16,18; Luke 24:4; Acts 1:10). Angels are also in charge of men, as given by them of God, as to watch the children as faithful stewards until their proper inheritance.

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
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We will use the picture book approach.

Don't just skim over the following verses but study the quotations below.

The quotation, chapter ten of Daniel is in the middle, so you can identify whom is speaking to Daniel.

Ezekiel 1:26-28
Now above the expanse that was over their heads there was something resembling a throne, like lapis lazuli in appearance; and on that which resembled a throne, high up, was a figure with the appearance of a man. Then I noticed from the appearance of His loins and upward something like glowing metal that looked like fire all around within it, and from the appearance of His loins and downward I saw something like fire; and there was a radiance around Him. As the appearance of the rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the surrounding radiance. Such was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell on my face and heard a voice speaking.

Daniel 10:5-6
I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

Revelation 1:12-15
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

The quotation from Ezekiel identifies YHWH as the man on the throne.

The man in Ezekiel on the throne is exactly the same man, that is speaking to Daniel.

The quotation in Revelation is that man, yet again. The portrait of Jesus.

There is no question that Jesus was the man on the throne in Ezekiel.
 
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Nehemiah6

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Walter said:
No Sir, Just a Christian. Love, Walter
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Walter, that should say "Just a VERY CONFUSED Christian". How come you have been presenting heterodox ideas recently? It seems that you have come under the influence of some very false teachers/teachings, and this thread is a perfect example. And because some who do not no better may be influenced by all this nonsense, those of us who know the truth have to expose your false beliefs. You seem to be going off the rails.
 
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