United States the New Israel?

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Magenta

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Mormons believe America to be a new Israel.

Perhaps the single most important tenet of Joseph Smith’s emerging Mormon ideology
in the 1830s and 1840s was the identification of his church as “latter-day Israel.” This
identification drove much of the rest of his scripture and doctrine, from his concept of
“law” and a restored “priesthood” to his identification of America—and specifically
Independence, Missouri—as the “promised land” to which Jesus would one day return.

The early Mormons came to believe that the promises and blessings said to be
bestowed on Israel at the end of days is no longer the inheritance of Israel but
would now be bestowed on the followers of Joseph Smith.
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The Book of Mormon states that the family of the Tribe of Manasseh and the family of the
Tribe of Ephraim migrated from Jerusalem to an unknown location in the Americas. According
to Mormon doctrine, this migration fulfilled the prophecy of Jacob on his son, Joseph: "Joseph is
a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall" (Genesis 49:22).

The Book of Mormon also states that members of the Tribe of Judah came
to the Americas after they were defeated by Babylon in around 600 BCE.
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Nehemiah6

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But what Cahn has done is create a fiction of his own where now the Pilgrims are creating a new Israel and are even in a covenant with God like Israel's.
Frankly I simply ignore Cahn (and all false teachers). He has been talking about blood moons, Shemitahs, and other nonsense for quite some time, so this is not surprising.

The Shemitah -- 7th year Sabbath of the land -- was ignored by Israel all along, and hence brought judgment. Today it cannot be applied because the Old Covenant is null and void. And when the sun and moon are darkened they will be black.
 

montana123

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I don't know about any of this. I'm dealing with specific statements Cahn made about the Pilgrims belief they were founding the "new Israel" in the "new world." Did they really believe this? If so, where is it documented? Cahn doesn't say.
If the Pilgrims believed they were founding the new Israel in the new world why was not anything known until recently.

Where is it documented.

I believe that is a deception to cause people to believe that is what they were trying to do.

Just like they are saying the correct interpretation of the Bible is based on the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual and there is no personal God which is also something that is recent and after the founding father.

It seems like they are trying to deceive America with a new set of beliefs as reality and that is a new covenant with God so they can spread their agenda in the United States and the world.

But their agenda is contrary to the God of the Bible.
 

montana123

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Are you sure?

This is not what I have gathered from listening to his promotion of the book...
I did not study enough about Jonathan Cahn and thought he was for the return of the gods that the new age movement calls aliens that they believe will help mankind to have peace on Earth.

But it appears he is actually talking against it and not promoting it.

I will try not to make that mistake again but study something completely before speaking on it.
 

montana123

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What he is saying is that God is no longer dealing with the nation of Israel but the covenant is with America the new Israel.

But the Bible says if the ordinances of heaven the sun, moon, and stars are still in operation then His covenant with Israel still stands

And Paul said that God did not cast His people away that He once foreknew.

The disciples asked Jesus if He was going to restore the kingdom to the Jews at that time and said the Father will do it in His own time so the nation of Israel will be restored and not another nation to take their place.

The Bible says that Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which is when salvation is no longer available to them and so all Israel shall be saved.

God said He is going to bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward and He shall never hide His face from them again which they will always be in the truth as nation from that time forward.

This will happen around the time of the one world government and religious system that there will be a peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians and it will pave the way for all Jews to go back to their land which the Gentile nations will cause it to happen because they want them all back on their land.

God's covenant with Israel still stands and He did not cast them away and will restore the kingdom on Earth back to the Hebrews.

America is not the new Israel but it is a deception to cause the world to follow America as they influence the world with a new covenant that they say is of God which will change the operation of the world from the operation of the true God on Earth to the operation of the new age movement and their belief that aliens who are gods want to help the world to have peace on Earth.

The new age movement interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual and godlike, and Jesus is an ascended master in the occult, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

They believe the next evolutionary step is the 5th root race, Aryans, 6th sub-race, that will happen in the United States in the 21st century.

Which the next evolutionary step is the new age movement to become enlightened to evolve along with the New Age Christ.

They believe aliens are going to help mankind to have peace and there is aliens on Earth now.

Science says that humans are not from the Earth so they are aliens, and the world needs to prepare for an alien encounter.

Which Science says we evolved and they teach evolution in school so Science is on board with the new age movement.

The United Nations supports new age organization and are with the new age movement.

They are going to try establish the new age movement in the world as reality.

They believe Lucifer is a solar angel that descended from Venus to Earth eons ago to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man and will help them to evolve in the future.

They pose the question is God an alien for they want to convince the world that God is an alien.

They want to convince the world that the new age movement is reality and Lucifer is a good god and an alien that wants to help mankind to have peace and evolve to be spiritual and godlike like the aliens who are advanced.

Which the aliens helped mankind in the past to advance and will help them at this time to advance even further and cause them to evolve to be a greater being.

Which Jonathan Cahn wants a new world order.

And he wrote a book called return of the gods so he is following the new age movement for he believes that those gods are aliens that are coming back to help mankind advance.

It is a deception that America is the new Israel to try to influence the world to follow the new age movement and proceed with the next evolutionary process so humans can advance to be like the aliens for humans are aliens and not from the Earth.

Then in the future they will go to the next evolutionary step 5th root race, 7th sub-race, and then the 6th root race with their 7 sub-races, and then the 7th root race with their 7 sub-races.

They do not acknowledge a personal God but they honor the God of forces or the power of nature as their higher power the evolutionary process.

Which Alice Bailey wrote a book called Consciousness of the Atom and she is the biggest prophet of the new age movement.

Which Science says that the universe has a conscious although not a personal God.

Which they call the aliens gods for they are more powerful than humans and more evolved.

But it had to be for the Bible says the world will rebel against God and then He defeats the world.

And it is here which the United Nations and Science will start influencing more with the new age movement.

And the new age movement will start influencing America more that will influence the world.

God said they will think they are doing God's will which they will believe they are doing the will of nature to establish the new age movement in the world as the operation of the world.

Which the Bible says the antichrist will think to change times and laws which he will try to change the operation of God on Earth to the new age movement.

Which also makes them dangerous for they will show no mercy or compassion but will try to get rid of all people who oppose them for the peace and harmony of the planet.

Which God said their consciousness is seared with a hot iron.

It is the end time for sure which the new age movement will come out at the latter times and their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for Satan will deceive the world by the new age movement to try to get them to rebel against God.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him so He causing all people that does not love Him to follow the New Age Christ and then He will end sin on Earth.

The new age movement had a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get them away from the 1950's attitude.

They wanted to influence people to be individuals with the attitude do your own thing, and individuals will fight with each other more, and be more selfish and self exalting, and to cause immorality among them, and greed, and rebellion against authority.

For the purpose of trying to cause an attitude of wanting their own way and exalting themselves so they can cause the people to stop embracing Christianity and its morals and become atheist for they would not accept humbling themselves before a higher power.

Now they are ready to put the people back together so they can start influencing them with the new age movement.

They have to put the people as equal to be accepting of each other and feeling accepted.

They have to knock down the major influences and boost the minor influences.

They have to knock down the white people and boost the black people, minorities.

They have to knock down the men and boost the women.

They have to knock down the religious, mainly Christianity, and boost the atheist.

They have to knock down the heterosexual and boost the homosexual.

Which they try to confuse children about their gender, and invite them to gay pride events, and drag queen shows.

Which they want population reduction.

They do not want that many people on the planet when they evolve so they want population reduction and try to influence people to be transgender along with getting rid of all those that oppose them.

They say no fat shaming and portray them as beautiful for there are millions of them and they cannot dismiss them.

Which fat people are beautiful but they are trying to put them on the same level as a person that dedicates their life to exercise, eating properly, and taking steps to enhance their outward appearance.

Which a man that identified as a woman, fat, and not that good looking, won a beauty pageant and the women clapped for him.

And they show fat women on magazine covers that they are beautiful.

They are ready to start influencing American society with the beliefs of the new age movement and the United Nations is going to start influencing the world with the new age movement.

North Korea, Ukraine war, and the Taiwan incident is a scare tactic to scare the world to come together as one to stop the fighting especially when it can involve the world and nuclear weapons.

Like WW2, set up League of Nations.

WW2, set up United Nations.

Now it is time for a one world government.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.
I did not study enough about Jonathan Cahn and thought he was for the return of the gods that the new age movement calls aliens that they believe will help mankind to have peace on Earth.

But it appears he is actually talking against it and not promoting it.

I will try not to make that mistake again but study something completely before speaking on it.
 

MessengerofTruth

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I did not study enough about Jonathan Cahn and thought he was for the return of the gods that the new age movement calls aliens that they believe will help mankind to have peace on Earth.

But it appears he is actually talking against it and not promoting it.

I will try not to make that mistake again but study something completely before speaking on it.
No problem. :)
 

Komentaja

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Jonathan Cahn has made this idea popular in his books and interviews. The idea goes like this: The Pilgrims on the Mayflower saw themselves as the "new Israel"; and, like ancient Israel, they were in a covenant relationship with God, patterned after God's covenant with Israel. For example:

"No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as a new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God." The Harbinger, p. 19.​

"The Bible records that God made a covenant with Israel. The case of America is different. But we do know that America’s founders made a covenant with God, based on Israel’s covenant with God." The Harbinger II, PDF pp. 100-101​

"Most would find it surprising to learn that America was consciously, intentionally, and specifically founded and formed after the pattern of ancient Israel. Its founders saw it as a new Israel, the Israel of the New World." The Mystery of the Shemitah, p. 57​
Unfortunately, Cahn doesn't supply any references. So, my question to all the Cahn fans out there is: Where exactly did he get these ideas? Can you post anything that shows conclusively he's right? Did the Pilgrims actually write or say they were founding a new Israel in the "new world?"
Cahn is just babbling on to make a buck or two. He has made too much money off of this hogwash already.

America is not Israel, America is not in covenant with God in anyway whatsoever. By saying stuff like this he really is enforcing the stereotype of how americans are perceived in the rest of the world, so self-centered its actually sad. Its a wicked country (just like any other country in the world btw) and has poisoned the entire world with its agenda through hellywood and rap music and all sorts of other degen stuff, pronouns, pride parades, you name it. They have done their best to destroy the gospel as well, name it claim it, blab it grab it type of Christianity where you pull up, say a prayer, and you're good to go. Now thru "missionaries" its spreading like wildfire in Africa.

Before all the americans flip out on me, im not saying other countries are any better, the Bible is crystal clear: The whole EARTH lieth in wickedness. I just brought America up since its the most talked about as if they have some significance to bible prophecy or some other delusion americans have about their "one nation under God". That ship has sailed a long time ago. Maybe the founding fathers were Christians, MAYBE; but if you look at their beliefs its a lot of occultic folks as well.
 

ResidentAlien

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Cahn is just babbling on to make a buck or two. He has made too much money off of this hogwash already.
He's found a market for what he's selling. Seems people love the idea that the US might actually be the new Israel and in a special covenant with the Lord. There are plenty of other preachers out there selling it too.

If you think the US is in a special covenant relationship with God, politics suddenly takes on a lot more importance that it would otherwise. Politics has become the new religion for many people.

God's covenant is with those who are in His Son, not nations.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Christendom is Israel. Not any nation state. Onlly the children of God in Christ scattered through out the nations.
Our national motto, " in God we trust", can mean anything. It does not define who God is even pagans use the title god for their gods.
 

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No matter how we might interpret the words "Creator" and "God" found in legal writings and our currency, U.S. Law allows for as many different translations are there are citizens: about 400 million.

In my opinion, if one wants to find parallels with the U.S. and with scripture look at Babylon. Now, the U.S. is not "Babylon" (that is a spirit) but the U.S. is certainly a nation that puts its citizens rights over the ways of the Living God. In a sense, the law of the U.S. allows for the spirit of Legion to reign in the land: a many-membered anti-Christ.
 

Lanolin

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thought it was just a fantasy like the Book of Mormon is.

Why are people paying it any attention. cos they are gullible perhaps?
 

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If I’m not mistaken this is the basic idea behind Latter Day Saint belief and Mormonism

that God would establish a new promised land on earth which ended up bieng America. The thing is he would sets list a new promised land and has but we look at the wrong place for answers we need to look into what God said to see the promised land

everything every promise of the kingdom we have is with Jesus

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

as Christian’s we want to look there where Jesus reigns in his kingdom

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above,

not on things on the earth.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭

where our intercessor and high priest is

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Where our advocate and propitiation exists for forgiveness of sins

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

where he sends the holy spirit To us who believe

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thats where the new nation established of the lord is

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24, 28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its what Abraham was seeking when he looked into the stars and heard Gods promise of Christ he wandered through osreels land like a stranger and pilgrim never settling but seeking Gods home his city

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: for he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:8-10, 13-14, 16‬ ‭

Jesus is already reigning in that new city with his new people who lived and believed and then died in this world and thier spirits were saved and perfected with him in heaven where our high priest entered in with his own shed blood To open a new and living way for us to seek after him and go to be with him after our flesh dies

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6, 8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’re like Abraham that’s we walk by faith in what is after this earth where we are strangers and mere pilgrims passing through but we’re seeking “a better country that is heavenly “ found in Christs word of promise and faith

airs why Paul is calling us not to look at and set our hopes on the earthly land and promose but the heavenly one where Jesus is, and on the restoration of a new earth he promises upon his return

The new Jerusalem is in heaven with their king is my point one day Jerusalem and it’s people will return to earth with the king

first this has to be fulfilled

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 20‬

after that happens then out of heaven we see the new nation of God

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

See all Of earth is going to end in destruction by fire it will be where the ungodly are punished this earth we live in and the heavens we look and see

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so this will happen to all the earth

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭

But those who are saved have a different promised land from this earth it’s what Christ promised nothing in this world but another world our promised land is in Jesus promise of his kingdom

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13-

Gods nation isn’t of this doomed world nor is our inheritance

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This world is truly doomed and will perish in fire this day

“and to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in that day.”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Hey thanks I know of Jonathan Cahn but he does not say nor believe America is the new Israel. Others have believed this we all know. I've read some about those that first came to America and wanted to make a covalent with the God for this new nation PRAISE GOD!
 

ResidentAlien

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Hey thanks I know of Jonathan Cahn but he does not say nor believe America is the new Israel.
"No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as a new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God." Cahn, The Harbinger, p. 19.​
"The Bible records that God made a covenant with Israel. The case of America is different. But we do know that America’s founders made a covenant with God, based on Israel’s covenant with God." Cahn, The Harbinger II, PDF pp. 100-101​
"Most would find it surprising to learn that America was consciously, intentionally, and specifically founded and formed after the pattern of ancient Israel. Its founders saw it as a new Israel, the Israel of the New World." Cahn, The Mystery of the Shemitah, p. 57​

The whole premise of several of Cahn's books is based on the idea that the US is the new Israel.
 

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"No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as a new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God." Cahn, The Harbinger, p. 19.​
"The Bible records that God made a covenant with Israel. The case of America is different. But we do know that America’s founders made a covenant with God, based on Israel’s covenant with God." Cahn, The Harbinger II, PDF pp. 100-101​
"Most would find it surprising to learn that America was consciously, intentionally, and specifically founded and formed after the pattern of ancient Israel. Its founders saw it as a new Israel, the Israel of the New World." Cahn, The Mystery of the Shemitah, p. 57​

The whole premise of several of Cahn's books is based on the idea that the US is the new Israel.
I think you might find that the Freemasons and their masonic brotherhood had more to do with it. They have been influencing things since their beginning in the 13th century.

Of which George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were members. So too for thirteen other Presidents. Nine members were signatories on the Declaration of Independence.
 

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I always thought of the United States as being the modern day Roman Empire. Militarily - the top country since WWII and Global peacekeeper, (benefitting the U.S. of course). Politically - based upon the Roman concept. Caesar = President, Senate = Senate and so on... Architecturally - Roman without a doubt. Just look at our government buildings. Sports - Modern day Gladiator games, to distract the masses. Media - appointed 'town criers' of the political ideology. Pacification - Governmental issued laws and monetary checks to control a restless society. (IE.. Covid checks, Same sex marriages, LGBTQ protection laws, etc...)

And now comes the "New Green Deal". The worlds new religion, which might just be the worlds last unifying religion. Mankind, around the globe, working to save her - mother earth.
 

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God's Covenant with Abraham----is with A Nation ---people ----

Genesis 12 EB
God Calls Abram
12 The Lord said to Abram, “Leave your country, your relatives, and your father’s ·family [L house], and go to the land I will show you [C Canaan, the Promised Land].

2 I will make you a great nation,
and I will bless you.

I will make ·you famous [L your name great],
·and [or so that] you will be a blessing to others.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
and I will place a curse on those who ·harm [or curse] you.

And all the ·people [families; clans] on earth
will be blessed through you [C the promises of the Abrahamic covenant].”


I say ------ask yourself ????????
So can you have a Nation without first having a people ---------


Who discovered America ------had to be PEOPLE -------and the Gentiles were grafted into this Covenant --so as long as you received Jesus by Faith as your Lord and Saviour --you are part of the Abrahamic Covenant ----America was never mentioned to be the promised land -------the people were Blessed and therefore their land is Blessed -----

A Nation is born out of people ----good people or bad people -------the Nation is the people

The Gentiles are part of true Israel -------People landed on a piece of American soil and swore to uphold God's Covenant with Abraham ------so this nation would be Blessed --the people ----this is upholding God's covenant with Abraham -------

And all the ·people [families; clans] on earth
will be blessed through you [C the promises of the Abrahamic covenant].”



This verse says -----
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and I will place a curse on those who ·harm [or curse] you.


The people were Blessed by God and therefore America was blessed ---it once thrived ------the people turned their backs on God ---by humans taking Him out of the Churchs ----the Homes ---the Schools --the Government and their private Lives ----and therefore the Blessing was removed and was replaced by the Curse-------America went from having a Blessed people to having a Cursed people ------when the people are cursed so is the land they occupy ------all is condemned ----

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2671 katára (from 2596 /katá, "according to, down" and 685 /ará, "a curse") – properly, what has "to go down" (penalties received) due to condemnation, i.e. the penalty-curse that results when God Himself curses (condemns) something.
 
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Cahn's ideas are not new. I researched and discovered 20 years ago a Book titled God's New Israel.

It covers many angles including the Pilgrims and Settlers.

Once again, not claiming to support the idea, but it's a good read and includes many many truths.

I wonder if Cahn read this and actually using it as reference.
 

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Cahn's ideas are not new. I researched and discovered 20 years ago a Book titled God's New Israel.

It covers many angles including the Pilgrims and Settlers.

Once again, not claiming to support the idea, but it's a good read and includes many many truths.

I wonder if Cahn read this and actually using it as reference.
That's a good find. I assume you're talking about: https://archive.org/details/godsnewisraelrel00cher/mode/1up I'd be very surprised if Jonathan Cahn hasn't read it.