Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

Growing up in church I heard this story about message all the time that my purpose was to evangelize
But growing up in the Spirit what I have seen is that my purpose is to arm and train those saints who have already been evangelized, and believed - but don't known, what next??

If everyone is a recruiter what sense is that
An army of God 100% noobs?? Huh?!?

Here is a real sword @Blain
Let me help show you how to use it skillfully

My beat guess: I think that is what post is here for =]

I can see why someone would change their position on eternal security after spending a lot of time in this place. After being beaten over the head a million times with worthless clichés eventually you'd get tired of it.

Wrong answer cadet!

Although the mechanism was partially CC, it was the illumination of the Holy Spirit, and the understanding of the grave dangers in taking single verses out of context, without employing the whole counsel of God.

Probably MOST importantly. again from the Holy Spirit, is NOT using fleshly human intellect to discern Biblical truths.


With human logic it makes perfect sense that if a person doesn't perform X, or fails to perform Y, someone would lose that which God has given them.

So the cliches are virtually completely manifest on the side that needs to perform, or not perform, with THEIR effort in order to remain a child of God.

Wrong answer cadet!

Think about about what you said for a second. If you confess and don't actually change your mind about it, is your lip service of any value to God? If you actually do change your mind about sin and, of course, change your ways as well, confessing your sin to God, isn't that the heart of what confession is?

There is no difference between confession and repentance. God already knows what you did. What God is looking for is your return to walking in the light like John says. Confession is intended to be used for those who are ready to forsake whatever sin it is they are genuinely repenting of.

1 John 1
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Thought-stopping cliche. Is this supposed to make me shut up and go away?

God has solved what we thought insoluble

Several in this thread have plainly said if a person doesn't believe in eternal security they aren't saved.

Such a declaration is way past their rank, station and pay grade. IMO.

The unbeliever's false gospel: "TERMS AND RESTRICTIONS APPLY. . ."

Do you not feel in your own soul that perfection is not in you? Does not every day teach you that? Every tear which trickles from your eye, weeps "imperfection"; every harsh word which proceeds from your lip, mutters "imperfection." You have too frequently had a view of your own heart to dream for a moment of any perfection in yourself. But amidst this sad consciousness of imperfection, here is comfort for you—you are "perfect in Christ Jesus."In God's sight, you are "complete in Him"; even now you are "accepted in the Beloved."

"Complete in Christ." Not till then shall we fully comprehend the heights and depths of the salvation of Jesus. Doth not thy heart leap for joy at the thought of it? Black as thou art, thou shalt be white one day; filthy as thou art, thou shalt be clean. Oh, it is a marvellous salvation this! Christ takes a worm and transforms it into an angel; Christ takes a black and deformed thing and makes it clean and matchless in His glory, peerless in His beauty, and fit to be the companion of seraphs. O my soul, stand and admire this blessed truth of perfection in Christ.

-Spurgeon

Thought-stopping cliche. Is this supposed to make me shut up and go away?

The entire idea of the debate of osas is ridiculous
I mean salvation isnt hard to understand you just have decide if you are his or not

Geesh!

If I thought It'd be that simple I'd have said it long ago!

Just kidding RA. I'm glad you're here. I haven't said, nor do I know, if failing to believe in eternal security means a person isn't saved.

I think some people haven't had the Holy Spirit reveal that truth yet to them, That's why we're here.

The problem is the debate itself.

one part of the debate is calvin vs arminian issue. Many will Never believe in OSAS because their hate of calvin and who they deem his Followers is so deep they would never admit they may be right in even one area against calvanism

The other side of debate is the works issue, On one hand, You have those who believe works is a byproduct of being saved. They are deemed as hating works. and easy believers, because they reject works as a means of salvation

The other hand you have people who believe works are required, or salvation can be lost. they hate what they call easy belisvism so much, they will never listen to what they say, and demand they hate works (a fact that is not true)

then you have those that think a person who is truly born again, Have truly experienced first hand (different than being blessed by association) and fully experienced his chastening. would ever want to give back what they repented and stated they needed to begin with. also denying the omniscience of God who knows if a person has truly repented or not. and knows if in the future they would repent back to the world and reject him..(based on a false repentance to begin with) they will never believe in osas. and usually argue this based on free will. and again an anti calvin response (in my view)

I think some people haven't had the Holy Spirit reveal that truth yet to them, That's why we're here.

Not at all


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The Holy Spirit revealed to me OSAS is a lie. Guess you had it right to begin with then got pressured into changing your mind.