Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

You've got it all wrong. It didn't happen that way.

The holy spirit huh? Buddy you think the holy spirit cares about a theology of man? osas is a creation of man a deluded replacement of the truth the word of God is very clear on salvation you just make it complicated

And the fact you so passive agressively make your last remarks I could feel the bitterness in them your not going to hear the holy spirit in your state

This was amazing you have a very good heart I bet God is up there right now saying that is mine

So your belief is that you can leave Jesus after becoming born again?

Do you also believe Jesus will leave you?

@Blain

I don’t know you and didn’t know of your affliction prior to your post. I pray God restores your site as only He can. I also pray God softens your heart because you’re not sharing love, you’re sharing anger, and I question the validity of its righteousness.

You come in here throwing judgmental daggers at people who sincerely love the Lord and have given their lives over to Him. It’s that kind of attitude that causes strife within the body, pushes people on the precipice of faith away from the Lord, and empowers nonbelievers to scorn the faith. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. I suggest you heed that simple, yet very profound wisdom.

Well think about it we are told we were purchased by his blood if that is true then he hold the deed to our souls something we made a contract to hand over that deed and the power of his blood is soaked in it


this is the blood of Christ not your average blood this is the blood of God himself this seals that contract like no other seal your his that's it game over.


Many stumble and fall and lose their way sometimes for a long time I actually know a man who was saved when he was 13 but he didnt have a church or anyone and in his early twenties fell into season of 40 years of just being lost making a mess of his life you wouldn't think he was saved but he always clung to God he just lost his way

I know him now as a very old man but he shines a brialliance of God I have rarely encountered. Until their final breath he wont let go of them he will let them learn through the mess of their actions but he is always with them he never leaves them and just like this old man he became a brilliant light

I think we cleared the air on that one and we can let go, as the song says. lol



Yes my friend, but once saved always saved doesn't = once saved always following. There are those that fall away from the faith. The Word says so. I'm sorry, I see no way around those verses. But I will continue discussing, listening and asking. Blessings.

Yes and no.

That was not the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit would never mock the promise of his father given to all who truly repent and believe. Salvation is on God based on his work and his promise. Not on us..

The anger was not one of hate it was one of frustration because he is frustrated I wasn't angry or frustarted until I obeyed him in making that thread I didnt even know what the thread was going to be about I just obeyed and was consumed by this fiery spirit

The words poured out and I was barely able to type them fast enough. He sent me with a message and he is speaking to his church I have no ill will towards anyone here but he didn't send me here to speak meekly he changed me

The only way that person would lose salvation is if they were under the law.

Either way. John said a person who is born of God can not fall into a sinful lifestyle.

that is basically saying Gad has failed in his work to change a person.. WHen God said he will complete the work he started.

Matthew 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Peter denied christ three times

Will Jesus deny him in heaven?

So Jesus stays in the heart of the new creation, born again believer that “falls away”?

Yes it talks about falling from faith but I know this Jesus said he would never leave or foresake us

Now we can argue the definitation of the phrase falling from faith and we can say the word says this and that but Jesus is the truth the way and the life I go to him and and if he says something im not going to call him a liar so it doesn't matter what I think about the issue I just go by what he says and he hasn't let me down yet

Matthew 18:32-35 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Does it really matter? I don't mean does the issue matter. I mean does it matter what I say or believe?

But if someone is born again they HAVEN’T denied Him. By definition.
Otherwise they’d be 1:John 2:19 peeps.

And I don't believe He will let you down, but you can let Him down. Again, that's what I believe the Word says brother.