God gave us guidance on killer pit bulls and their owners!

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Aaron56

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
He was wrong to connect the old testament rule to a modern day situation. But he didn't say anything about the big hulk of a student being black. Stop with the race-baiting.
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Quit virtue signaling.

In both situations, pit bulls and oxen, and the OT quote, he referenced owners of the animals and the "godly guidance" to put down the killing animal and the owner. How that relates to a black student assaulting a teacher... one can only imagine what was in OT's head but the connection is glaringly racist.
 
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IsaiahA said:
The term "pit bull" is not a breed but a general classification of dog breeds bred to be fighters, killers. The dog now in the news in Texas is a American Staffordshire Terrier, one of the pit bulls.
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well this is not accurate

IsaiahA said:
I view the phrase "accustomed to gore" to be equal to an animal bred to be a fighter and killer! Enact laws to execute the pit bull owner as well as the dog, if they let the dog get loose and it kills a human.
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I guess begin with the wrong premise it can only get worse :unsure:
 
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I honestly find this site to be a sad situation.
From abuse of scripture to race baiters to people who dont argue the merits of a statement, but on rather how they feel about what is said and based on their own interpretation of what is said. I have seen the words of posters get twisted, and ya wonder how such a person can possibly understand scripture if they cant even understand the plain words of a short post here.

The op probably shouldnt have lumped the storys together and only used the ot law concerning having an ox that attacks people.

Gods law certainly does pertain to christian living, it tells us out right what sin is. The law regarding a violent ox certainly teaches us about our responsibility for our animals. If a person allows their mean dog, regardless of breed attacks someone, it is indeed a sin and the owner is indeed liable. While we no longer stone these people to death if a violent dog kills a human, and the owner knows the animal is violent the owner is liable for the death of a fellow human.

God has different laws regarding humans and human violence, and children who dishonour their parents.
 
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Mem said:
Indeed, the letter kills. What was the aid not thinking? She had the students switch but what did she not have that he might have willingly exchanged it for? Did she offer an explanation to him before 'seizing' it? Did she provide him an understanding that she cared for his best interests? By what spirit did she take away what she saw a nuisance, but what he guarded as his Nintendo?
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Mem said:
This aid would've been better qualified to work at a kennel.
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:eek: o_O :cautious:

You sound as if you are ready to blame the teacher [aide] when you do not know anything whatsoever about what actually occurred between the teacher [aide] and the student.

What is that all about? Kinda jumping to conclusions, aren't you?

Why do you think she was mean to him? You don't know that.

And, even if she was - he shouldn't have done what he did.

Without actually knowing what happened, I imagine it was probably something simple like - he wanted to continue playing with the video game machine (no-doubt owned by the school) - she knew his time was up and he needed to get to his next class - something like that - whatever - we do not know - but, she probably had a good reason to take it away from him.

(Now, if the thing really was his property - then, yes - that does introduce a whole new aspect to it. In which case, she should not have acted alone; but rather, gone to "higher authority" in the school system and let them handle it. Still, what he did was not right for him to do.)

What I do know is - in 17 years, he should have been taught:

~ that he must respect others
~ he cannot always get/have what he wants
~ he must be able to accept direction from others who guide him
~ he has to exercise self-discipline in order to get along with others
~ etc. (many other things also)

It does not matter how [much] "special needs" he is...

Part of the "blame" for this incident rests upon:

~ the 17-year old
~ his parents/guardians
~ the 'community' of people that shaped his life as he grew up
~ (you get the idea - if you want to blame, spread-it-out to all of the several places where it belongs)

This is a complex situation. And, there is not a single "fault" with a single individual. There are many "faults" that played into this event.

We need not be "judge, jury, and executioner" without knowing a whole lot more about this situation than we presently know.

Yes - it is even possible that the teacher [aide] did something not-the-best in this situation. However, the highest likely single general thing we might postulate about this entire scenario is that the teacher [aide] did no wrong - certainly not sufficient to invite an attack like what played out on the video.
 
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GaryA said:
:eek: o_O :cautious:

You sound as if you are ready to blame the teacher [aide] when you do not know anything whatsoever about what actually occurred between the teacher [aide] and the student.

What is that all about? Kinda jumping to conclusions, aren't you?

Why do you think she was mean to him? You don't know that.

And, even if she was - he shouldn't have done what he did.

Without actually knowing what happened, I imagine it was probably something simple like - he wanted to continue playing with the video game machine (no-doubt owned by the school) - she knew his time was up and he needed to get to his next class - something like that - whatever - we do not know - but, she probably had a good reason to take it away from him.

(Now, if the thing really was his property - then, yes - that does introduce a whole new aspect to it. In which case, she should not have acted alone; but rather, gone to "higher authority" in the school system and let them handle it. Still, what he did was not right for him to do.)

What I do know is - in 17 years, he should have been taught:

~ that he must respect others
~ he cannot always get/have what he wants
~ he must be able to accept direction from others who guide him
~ he has to exercise self-discipline in order to get along with others
~ etc. (many other things also)

It does not matter how [much] "special needs" he is...

Part of the "blame" for this incident rests upon:

~ the 17-year old
~ his parents/guardians
~ the 'community' of people that shaped his life as he grew up
~ (you get the idea - if you want to blame, spread-it-out to all of the several places where it belongs)

This is a complex situation. And, there is not a single "fault" with a single individual. There are many "faults" that played into this event.

We need not be "judge, jury, and executioner" without knowing a whole lot more about this situation than we presently know.

Yes - it is even possible that the teacher [aide] did something not-the-best in this situation. However, the highest likely single general thing we might postulate about this entire scenario is that the teacher [aide] did no wrong - certainly not sufficient to invite an attack like what played out on the video.
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What happened to the teacher aide is tragic, don't think it wasn't horrendous to watch, and moreso since that young man got in so much than a punch after the initial impact of the shove. Was it shock that no one came sooner, I can't bring myself to watch it again more closely. My thought that she'dve been better qualified working at a kennel came from the assumption that she likely would've treated a dog with more care to respect to its cognition, of which even a special needs man' is at a higher level that can be reasoned with rather than 'commanded.' She definitely wouldn't have tried to take a bone from a pit bull anyway (Nor is that meant to equate this young man with a pit bull, even if the OP only just apparently does).
I've worked with several special need persons within a program that provided them employment. Only one time one raised my eyebrow when he didn't think my joking was funny.
It was after evening close when all was quiet, and he began his mopping task. Well, there'd always been rumor that the building had a ghost so when a pan fell on the floor in the storage room and he looked at me wide-eyed asking, "What was that!?" I was stupid enough to say, "We have a ghost, Rusty." He said, "Aww! You shut up or I'll stuff you in a sewer!?" Well, then, I quickly assured him, "It was just a pan falling, Rusty. There's too many of them on the rack, and I was just pulling your leg." which gave him something (else) to think about while he finished his mopping.
Well, he never returned after that and next I saw he was working the litter detail on the grounds. I don't know if it was due his refusal to return to what he believed was a haunted building or counsel to change his detail because I mentioned the exchanged to someone.
But it's true. This event is tragic in all perspectives and comparing humans to animals might just be where the root is found.
 
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Godsgirl1983 said:
You're right Beckie, there is a lot about this case that we don't know.
But as mama bear of a special needs child I am willing to take a guess as to what happened leading up to this childs outburst, and I'm pretty sure my guess will be a whole lot more accurate and closer to the truth than blaming it on "poor instruction as a young child".
I do know as a parent of a special needs child (who went through hell in public school) that a majority of public schools and the so called "special education" staff don't know a d**n thing about dealing with these kids, though they like to think they do. Their lack of understanding causes situations to escalate out of control.
Proper training for the staff and support for this child could have prevented this, or at least kept it from becoming so severe.
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Proper training? What would that be for a "child" this big, MMA training?
You can think whatever you want to as a "mama bear"..... but that 17 year old is not a "child" Your continual referral to him as such is an attempt to sidetrack the problem.
IF he is mentally impaired enough to be still "childlike", then at 6' 6" and 270 pounds, he is a danger to other people, and should never have been placed in a public school. I'm all for helping special needs kids, but there has to be some common sense involved.

If a human being cannot control their actions, and responses to other people, then they don't need to be allowed to interact with other people.... at least with people that cannot control the situation.
 
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Aaron56 said:
So, this discussion begins with animals bred to be violent, the OT law regarding killer oxen and their owners, and somehow connects that to the violent behavior of a special needs student who happens to be black?!!!

There are obvious red flags here regarding the OP’s intent. I’m reporting this thread.
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I can understand the emotional women getting upset and misreading what I wrote, but come on men. I did NOT compare the example of the dogs to the thug! After my comment on man killing ox's and dogs, I wrote:

"Thinking about our society and the principals contained in God's laws, how would God have us handle this 17 year old, 6' 6", 270 pound thug called a "special needs student" a public high school?"

I wrote "principals", plural, moving on from the dog story to the account of the monster attacking the lady. I was not comparing the two.

Yet, when humans act like animals, I'll call them animals. Did no one actually watch the video of that thug?? Someone with that sort of "special needs" needs to be in a reform school setting, not a public high school.
 
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Sorry folks, I really messed up with this one. I wrote "principals" when I meant "principles" and that really threw off everyone's reading comprehension. When I think "principles" in this situation I'm not thinking of a literal transfer of OT law as eye for eye, tooth for tooth, etc., to Christian ethics. But I do think someone letting a pit pull type dog get loose and kill someone, that person should get prison time! I do not believe that 17 year old belonged in a 'normal' public high school. Oops, can I say "normal"?

As to calling the 17 year old a "thug", as far as I know that is not a racial identification. I hadn't realized this forum was so woke! I suppose most here have removed Paul's remarks about Cretans -

It was one of them, their very own prophet, who said, “Cretans are always liars, vicious brutes, lazy gluttons.” That testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply, so that they may become sound in the faith, (Titus 1:12-13)
 
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IsaiahA said:
Sorry folks, I really messed up with this one. I wrote "principals" when I meant "principles" and that really threw off everyone's reading comprehension. When I think "principles" in this situation I'm not thinking of a literal transfer of OT law as eye for eye, tooth for tooth, etc., to Christian ethics. But I do think someone letting a pit pull type dog get loose and kill someone, that person should get prison time! I do not believe that 17 year old belonged in a 'normal' public high school. Oops, can I say "normal"?

As to calling the 17 year old a "thug", as far as I know that is not a racial identification. I hadn't realized this forum was so woke! I suppose most here have removed Paul's remarks about Cretans -

It was one of them, their very own prophet, who said, “Cretans are always liars, vicious brutes, lazy gluttons.” That testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply, so that they may become sound in the faith, (Titus 1:12-13)
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Dude.

Read the whole passage:

"For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, for the sake of dishonest gain. 12 One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” 13 This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, 14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth."

The "testimony that is true" is that an idle talker and deceiver, calling himself a prophet, said "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." NOT, that Cretans are liars and evil beasts.

I get that you may fool some on here, and I rarely call people out for such things, but your thoughts are vile and racist as far as I can read them, so far.
 
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IsaiahA said:
Sorry folks, I really messed up with this one. I wrote "principals" when I meant "principles" and that really threw off everyone's reading comprehension. When I think "principles" in this situation I'm not thinking of a literal transfer of OT law as eye for eye, tooth for tooth, etc., to Christian ethics. But I do think someone letting a pit pull type dog get loose and kill someone, that person should get prison time! I do not believe that 17 year old belonged in a 'normal' public high school. Oops, can I say "normal"?

As to calling the 17 year old a "thug", as far as I know that is not a racial identification. I hadn't realized this forum was so woke! I suppose most here have removed Paul's remarks about Cretans -

It was one of them, their very own prophet, who said, “Cretans are always liars, vicious brutes, lazy gluttons.” That testimony is true. For this reason rebuke them sharply, so that they may become sound in the faith, (Titus 1:12-13)
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to me yoiu were out of line the kid is not a dog. If he has a history of ,lets say gang related crimes dog could be correct. BUT we dont know his history. We do not know why he was labeled Special Needs.. Could be a ton reasons for that. from parental drug use, to teachers in todays world being afraid of him for what they see around them and his size so they drug then up and send them to another classroom.
As for the forums being woke yes they are. Sadly most main stream churches are also. Some folks look to find racism, i did not read racism in your OP. Racism is an easy scapegoat
I read some of your other posts bet if you were a joel olsten type some would not be so hard on you. Should this kid really have some mental problem he needs help, guidance etc. at the same time the public needs to be safe . The all powerful public school system in its great wisdom should have well understood the potential of a physical problem.
Get your kids out of public schools
 
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Beckie said:
Get your kids out of public schools
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It only just dawned on me this was a public school. I don't know why I assumed it was a special need school.
 
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IsaiahA said:
The term "pit bull" is not a breed but a general classification of dog breeds bred to be fighters, killers.
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This alone is in error

For those of us who remember the little rascals tv show. the Dog in the show was a PIT Bull. Pit Bull terriors were family dogs. and were great around kids, that is why they were used in the little rascals.

It was men who turned the bread into fighting dogs..
 
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Aaron56 said:
Quit virtue signaling.

In both situations, pit bulls and oxen, and the OT quote, he referenced owners of the animals and the "godly guidance" to put down the killing animal and the owner. How that relates to a black student assaulting a teacher... one can only imagine what was in OT's head but the connection is glaringly racist.
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the term' Quit virtue signaling' sounds a lot like Stop Judging.
 
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IsaiahA,

What have you seen in life that helps you to support these ideas and thoughts.

Are you wanting to payback someone for doing you wrong?

I would describe a big older tall kid in school that's not graduated yet, someone with a learning disorder, not special needs where he is in a wheelchair or limited in human abilities outside his mind works at a different pace than some in areas where reading, writing, mathematics, sciences, etc are involved.

I don't understand what makes him special needs?

I don't understand why you are harboring anger and applying judgements from the Law upon modern day life?

What are you NOT telling us here?
 
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Aaron56 said:
Quit virtue signaling.

In both situations, pit bulls and oxen, and the OT quote, he referenced owners of the animals and the "godly guidance" to put down the killing animal and the owner. How that relates to a black student assaulting a teacher... one can only imagine what was in OT's head but the connection is glaringly racist.
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Yeah, in your head. :rolleyes:
 
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