Abortion Replaces the Flag

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HeIsHere

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But God allowed Herod to kill all those innocent little boys. Why did He allow that to happen?

So your logic is God allowed Herod to kill, therefore God allows abortion, therefore humans can allow abortion?
 

HealthAndHappiness

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So your logic is God allowed Herod to kill, therefore God allows abortion, therefore humans can allow abortion?
That's what I got from his statement, that God approved Herod's mass murder campaign of those 2 and under. He reasons that since something that was an abomination happened, that God approved it..

That contradicts so many facts about God and His dealings with the child murders of the O.T. that it's blasphemous.
 
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Do you have an answer?
No I don't. Clearly Herod thought that by killing all those boys Jesus would be included but he was wrong. My point is that God does not prevent deaths, including those of young children.

A certain percentage of embryos and fetuses have certain anomalies that prevent them from surviving on their own outside of the womb. (Also, their are some cases, such as an ectopic pregnancy, where the mother's life is in danger.) The best decision in these cases is to terminate the pregnancy, to either prevent the newborn from suffering an agonizing death or prevent the mother from dying.

Also, there are some pregnancies that result from rape and/or incest, acts of violence and/or immorality that result in a woman becoming pregnant against her will. A believe that no woman should be forced to give birth to a child and care for it when the pregnancy is caused by such demonism, especially if adoption is not an option.

I am not saying that there aren't some pregnancies that are terminated because the mother doesn't want the child. That is definitely the wrong decision! I do not know a single person who approves of terminating a pregnancy because the mother simply doesn't want the child. I also don't know the solution to that, but outlawing all abortions because of that reason makes no sense and is, to me, contrary to Christian values.

The abortion situation is a very difficult dilemma! That is why I think that, in the (by far) great majority of decisions should be made by the pregnant woman, her physician or midwife, and her loved ones, not by politicians and or "righteous" strangers.
 

HeIsHere

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That's what I got from his statement, that God approved Herod's mass murder campaign of those 2 and under. He reasons that since something that was an abomination happened, that God approved it..

That contradicts so many facts about God and His dealings with the child murders of the O.T. that it's blasphemous.
If that is his reasoning it is utterly ridiculous and yes completely blasphemous!

With that reasoning one could defend the Holocaust, Holodomor etc., etc.,

God allowed all of those as well.
 
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That's what I got from his statement, that God approved Herod's mass murder campaign of those 2 and under. He reasons that since something that was an abomination happened, that God approved it..

That contradicts so many facts about God and His dealings with the child murders of the O.T. that it's blasphemous.
Why are you unable to be truthful? I never said that I approve of Herod's killing of all those little boys, but simply that God allowed it. My question is why people don't comment on why God allowed those deaths in light of the ongoing condemnation of abortions. If God permitted those deaths, why can't He also permit abortions? So far nobody has given a satisfactory answer.

It's obvious that you don't understand the difference between blasphemy and honesty.
 
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The friend of abortions....

Mass murderer of babies, Robert J. Santella. Dead in 2018
The VAST majority of baby killings are for birth control, NOT because a baby was born with two heads.
LOL!!! Where are the data for your hyperbolic statement?
 

HeIsHere

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No I don't. Clearly Herod thought that by killing all those boys Jesus would be included but he was wrong. My point is that God does not prevent deaths, including those of young children.

A certain percentage of embryos and fetuses have certain anomalies that prevent them from surviving on their own outside of the womb. (Also, their are some cases, such as an ectopic pregnancy, where the mother's life is in danger.) The best decision in these cases is to terminate the pregnancy, to either prevent the newborn from suffering an agonizing death or prevent the mother from dying.

Also, there are some pregnancies that result from rape and/or incest, acts of violence and/or immorality that result in a woman becoming pregnant against her will. A believe that no woman should be forced to give birth to a child and care for it when the pregnancy is caused by such demonism, especially if adoption is not an option.

I am not saying that there aren't some pregnancies that are terminated because the mother doesn't want the child. That is definitely the wrong decision! I do not know a single person who approves of terminating a pregnancy because the mother simply doesn't want the child. I also don't know the solution to that, but outlawing all abortions because of that reason makes no sense and is, to me, contrary to Christian values.

The abortion situation is a very difficult dilemma! That is why I think that, in the (by far) great majority of decisions should be made by the pregnant woman, her physician or midwife, and her loved ones, not by politicians and or "righteous" strangers.
I do not know a single person who approves of terminating a pregnancy because the mother simply doesn't want the child


I know many, at your age you are out of touch with the real world, so a word of caution when you make these simplistic statements they are not true.

Allowing abortion for procedures that were never illegal (ectopic pregnancy) is a faulty argument.

No one needs to see their family doctor for and abortion, ever heard of the term "abortions mills?"

You can't even bring yourself to stating a limit on when the abortion should be illegal.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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If that is his reasoning it is utterly ridiculous and yes completely blasphemous!

With that reasoning one could defend the Holocaust, Holodomor etc., etc.,

God allowed all of those as well.
Yes, God allows free will. The wickedness of humanity is forbidden by God, not approved by Him due to it's existence.
God makes the rules, not wicked people.
God is righteous.
Speaking of people, " There is None righteous, no not one."
To suggest that God is an unrighteous Being is blasphemous.
 

Cameron143

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No I don't. Clearly Herod thought that by killing all those boys Jesus would be included but he was wrong. My point is that God does not prevent deaths, including those of young children.

A certain percentage of embryos and fetuses have certain anomalies that prevent them from surviving on their own outside of the womb. (Also, their are some cases, such as an ectopic pregnancy, where the mother's life is in danger.) The best decision in these cases is to terminate the pregnancy, to either prevent the newborn from suffering an agonizing death or prevent the mother from dying.

Also, there are some pregnancies that result from rape and/or incest, acts of violence and/or immorality that result in a woman becoming pregnant against her will. A believe that no woman should be forced to give birth to a child and care for it when the pregnancy is caused by such demonism, especially if adoption is not an option.

I am not saying that there aren't some pregnancies that are terminated because the mother doesn't want the child. That is definitely the wrong decision! I do not know a single person who approves of terminating a pregnancy because the mother simply doesn't want the child. I also don't know the solution to that, but outlawing all abortions because of that reason makes no sense and is, to me, contrary to Christian values.

The abortion situation is a very difficult dilemma! That is why I think that, in the (by far) great majority of decisions should be made by the pregnant woman, her physician or midwife, and her loved ones, not by politicians and or "righteous" strangers.
I appreciate the thoughtful answer. But by and large, abortion is being used as birth control these days. I saw where you distrust the figures, but there is enough independent research to know that well over 90% of abortions are simply unwanted pregnancies.

It has been said that you cannot legislate morality. There is no need to legislate morality. It breaks no rules. Against such there is no law. What we need to legislate is immortality. The Bible itself does this extensively.
 

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Yes, God allows free will. The wickedness of humanity is forbidden by God, not approved by Him due to it's existence.
God makes the rules, not wicked people.
God is righteous.
Speaking of people, " There is None righteous, no not one."
To suggest that God is an unrighteous Being is blasphemous.

@jaybo thinks he has some real clever moral dilemma no one can respond to, but agree it blasphemous.
 
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I do not know a single person who approves of terminating a pregnancy because the mother simply doesn't want the child


I know many, at your age you are out of touch with the real world, so a word of caution when you make these simplistic statements they are not true.

Allowing abortion for procedures that were never illegal (ectopic pregnancy) is a faulty argument.

No one needs to see their family doctor for and abortion, ever heard of the term "abortions mills?"

You can't even bring yourself to stating a limit on when the abortion should be illegal.
Your comment that "I know many, at your age you are out of touch with the real world" is just plain stupid. I know more about the issues of pregnancies and abortions than you ever will. I have my reasons for that statement, but your ignorance doesn't deserve a more detailed reply. Your bias against age and wisdom is just plain STUPID and in direct conflict with Scripture.

I won't discuss the issue of abortion with you any further. Continue to follow your leader Satan.
 

HeIsHere

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Your comment that "I know many, at your age you are out of touch with the real world" is just plain stupid. I know more about the issues of pregnancies and abortions than you ever will. I have my reasons for that statement, but your ignorance doesn't deserve a more detailed reply. Your bias against age and wisdom is just plain STUPID and in direct conflict with Scripture.

I won't discuss the issue of abortion with you any further. Continue to follow your leader Satan.
Just an fyi, studies show wisdom peaks at midlife, stays steady and declines in the 70's.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Your comment that "I know many, at your age you are out of touch with the real world" is just plain stupid. I know more about the issues of pregnancies and abortions than you ever will. I have my reasons for that statement, but your ignorance doesn't deserve a more detailed reply. Your bias against age and wisdom is just plain STUPID and in direct conflict with Scripture.

I won't discuss the issue of abortion with you any further. Continue to follow your leader Satan.

Annnd he blocks another one for presenting facts. Must be a great world to live in. Putting everyone on ignore except one that agrees with you. These people don't want the truth, that is why they act like children and block anyone who disagrees with them.
 

Godsgirl1983

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I know more about the issues of pregnancies and abortions than you ever will. I have my reasons for that statement
This really sounds like someone who has had first hand experience with abortions...
like someone who is somehow trying to justify doing something in their past.